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Hi all,

I know that polygraphs are not fool proof evidence but I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of it being used in an interview.

For example, I, as benficiary, take a polygraph test in regards to the true relationship with my fiancee and give it to my fiancee to take to interview.

It might aleviate some doubt with the CO in regards to my intentions at least.

Just a random thought......

What do you think?

John


9/26/2006 Met online

12/24/2006 - 1/6/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

12/31/2006 Engagement ceremony

2/1/2007 Mailed I-129

2/12/2007 NOA-1

5/2/2007 NOA-2

5/21/2007 NVC received I-129

6/6/2007 - 6/28/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

6/9/2007 Wedding Ceremony in VN; no paperwork

6/11/2007 - 6/18/2007 Honeymoon in Nha Trang and Dalat

6/29/2007 Packet 3 received (in person)

6/29/2007 Packet 3 returned to consulate (in person)

7/30/2007 Packet 4 received

8/22/2007 John arrived in Vietnam for interview

8/24/2007 Interview - blue slip

8/31/2007 Pink slip

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Hi all,

I know that polygraphs are not fool proof evidence but I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of it being used in an interview.

For example, I, as benficiary, take a polygraph test in regards to the true relationship with my fiancee and give it to my fiancee to take to interview.

It might aleviate some doubt with the CO in regards to my intentions at least.

Just a random thought......

What do you think?

John

Who is going to administer the polygraph? They aren't going to take some test you had State-side as evidence.


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Who is going to administer the polygraph? They aren't going to take some test you had State-side as evidence.

Why not?


9/26/2006 Met online

12/24/2006 - 1/6/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

12/31/2006 Engagement ceremony

2/1/2007 Mailed I-129

2/12/2007 NOA-1

5/2/2007 NOA-2

5/21/2007 NVC received I-129

6/6/2007 - 6/28/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

6/9/2007 Wedding Ceremony in VN; no paperwork

6/11/2007 - 6/18/2007 Honeymoon in Nha Trang and Dalat

6/29/2007 Packet 3 received (in person)

6/29/2007 Packet 3 returned to consulate (in person)

7/30/2007 Packet 4 received

8/22/2007 John arrived in Vietnam for interview

8/24/2007 Interview - blue slip

8/31/2007 Pink slip

9/5/2007 Visa granted

9/6/2007 POE

9/12/2007 Wedding in U.S.

11/30/2007 Mailed AOS paperwork.

12/26/2008 Biometrics

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It is not your intentions that they are trying to ascertain. It is the visa applicant's. Your fiance is the person speaking at the interview and the one that must convince the CO that all of the evidence (interview included) presented is consistent and compelling. Remember, they don't owe us (the USC) anything.

As Chuck & Kim advised: "think like a CO" when preparing your evidence and helping your fiance to prepare for the interview. Anticipate any holes or potential red flags in your story and present evidence to address those issues. You've visited a couple of times. You correspond regularly, you have photos, she knows about you and your life here, your history, etc. Show all of that in a manner that supports her and your claim that this is about 2 people wanting to have a long and happy life together. THINK BIG PICTURE!!!

There is only one interview. Prepare, bring originals and copies of everything so that if the blue slip appears, you will have what you need to resubmit and get that pink slip while you are in VN.

Flesh out all your questions, worries, what ifs here. Most likely there is someone with similar stories/challenges.

It's hard work, but it's worth it.


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Oops, I made a mistake in OP. I'm the petitioner; the USC.


9/26/2006 Met online

12/24/2006 - 1/6/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

12/31/2006 Engagement ceremony

2/1/2007 Mailed I-129

2/12/2007 NOA-1

5/2/2007 NOA-2

5/21/2007 NVC received I-129

6/6/2007 - 6/28/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

6/9/2007 Wedding Ceremony in VN; no paperwork

6/11/2007 - 6/18/2007 Honeymoon in Nha Trang and Dalat

6/29/2007 Packet 3 received (in person)

6/29/2007 Packet 3 returned to consulate (in person)

7/30/2007 Packet 4 received

8/22/2007 John arrived in Vietnam for interview

8/24/2007 Interview - blue slip

8/31/2007 Pink slip

9/5/2007 Visa granted

9/6/2007 POE

9/12/2007 Wedding in U.S.

11/30/2007 Mailed AOS paperwork.

12/26/2008 Biometrics

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>It is not your intentions that they are trying to ascertain. It is the visa applicant's.

Hmm. But I've read about the consulate inquiring into business and family relationships between petitioner and the family of benficiary. That would seem to reflect on my intentions as well.

>Your fiance is the person speaking at the interview and the one that must convince the CO that all of the evidence (interview included) presented is >consistent and compelling. Remember, they don't owe us (the USC) anything.

I'm not really sure what you mean by them owing the USC something.

>As Chuck & Kim advised: "think like a CO" when preparing your evidence and helping your fiance to prepare for the interview. Anticipate any holes or >potential red flags in your story and present evidence to address those issues. You've visited a couple of times. You correspond regularly, you have >photos, she knows about you and your life here, your history, etc. Show all of that in a manner that supports her and your claim that this is about 2 >people wanting to have a long and happy life together. THINK BIG PICTURE!!!

Yes, that is what I have been trying to do. I just wondered if the polygraph would help the CO understand that my intentions as the petitioner are genuine. I'm not being paid or doing some favor to bring my fiancee to the U.S. I want her here because I love her.

>There is only one interview. Prepare, bring originals and copies of everything so that if the blue slip appears, you will have what you need to resubmit >and get that pink slip while you are in VN.

I'm working on getting things together. As I've stated before, it's not easy "thinking like the CO".

>Flesh out all your questions, worries, what ifs here. Most likely there is someone with similar stories/challenges.

>It's hard work, but it's worth it.

Yes, that's why I was asking here about the polygraph.

John


9/26/2006 Met online

12/24/2006 - 1/6/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

12/31/2006 Engagement ceremony

2/1/2007 Mailed I-129

2/12/2007 NOA-1

5/2/2007 NOA-2

5/21/2007 NVC received I-129

6/6/2007 - 6/28/2007 Visited Fiancee in VN

6/9/2007 Wedding Ceremony in VN; no paperwork

6/11/2007 - 6/18/2007 Honeymoon in Nha Trang and Dalat

6/29/2007 Packet 3 received (in person)

6/29/2007 Packet 3 returned to consulate (in person)

7/30/2007 Packet 4 received

8/22/2007 John arrived in Vietnam for interview

8/24/2007 Interview - blue slip

8/31/2007 Pink slip

9/5/2007 Visa granted

9/6/2007 POE

9/12/2007 Wedding in U.S.

11/30/2007 Mailed AOS paperwork.

12/26/2008 Biometrics

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John, you are right in that the consulate tries to verify it both ways: the USC not doing this "for a favor" or "for money," and the foreign fiancée not for "immigration." I'd like to guess most of the times the CO can tell from the submitted evidence and from personally meeting the fiancée. Of course, interviewing both of you is a more thorough examination of the relationship, and they do do that with a few cases of AOS, with the husband and the wife being interviewed in separate rooms at the same time (right?).

That was pretty creative of you, and who knows the answer. Just my take on this: I tend to favor personal interviews rather than a lie detector so I would not view it as a plus, but I have no idea what the consulate will think of it.

Do make sure, though, that you send her a recent, notarized statement of intent (to marry) to bring to the interview.


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2007-02-13...Touched

2007-02-20...NOA2 letter arrives in the mail

2007-04-05...Packet 3 received in HCMC

2007-04-12...Packet 3 returned to consulate

2007-05-25...Packet 4 received

2007-06-27...Interview...passed

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2012-04-06...NOA

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John,

Overkill and in my opinion, it's useless! Why? For starter, as Jamie asked: who will administor this test? Then the questions will follow:

Who are these people?

What are their credential?

Certified by who?

Qualification?

Back to square one, you then still have to PROVE that the test was done for you, you were there at the test site, the polygraph result can be proved and certified by who?

Now you need backup evidence to back up that polygraph result.

Plus, as a wanna-be CO, I wouldn't even care if you give a polygraph or not. More likely, I will scruitinize your case even more so than before, "is he trying to hide something, normally, not everyone submits a polygraph test result?" Trust them to find dirts and flaws in your case if they really look for them.

Your response "it's hard to think like a CO" is true.... but that's why you have all these times (3-5) months typically to prepare your case, to think and role-playing your case with your wife and your VJ family :) It's not that hard John, put yourself in the CO's shoes, and think if I show up at your house saying: John, I really need your approval to borrow your car for a cross-country trip. What will you ask me and want me to show you that I will actually drive your case accross country and not trying to use your car in a drug-smuggling deal? Samething here, the CO's job is to hear your case and be convinced by you and your fiance. He doesn't have to do anything and NO, he doesn't OWE you or your fiance a dawn thing. You want what he has :) It's your job to ASK nicely and hope he likes what he hears and sees. Or else, send your case back to the US, start it over! Anh Map mentioned previously!

My vote: no polygraph, instead focus on getting the evidence you ALREADY have and prove to them this is an ON-GOING relationship! Not just a one-night-stand!!!! How? Only you can answer that question....

Good luck

chuck and kim


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John, what I was trying to say is: don't fall into the thinking that as a US citizen the CO's job is to make things easier for our fiances to join us here in our home. Too many times people fall into that type of thought and it can distract us from the real goal of getting ourselves prepared for a slam dunk packet submission to the consulate.

In our case I knew the red flags could be age gap and the date of my divorce decree. I read whatever I could, asked some dumb as well as some good questions, and tightened up the holes. Got a blue slip, but turned it pink in 10 days. Keep tossing out the questions. The folks here will give it their best to help you build a winning hand.


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the thinking that as a US citizen the CO's job is to make things easier for our fiances to join us here in our home.

Next, you'll be claiming it's your TAX dollars that pay for the CO's salary, then move onto the USCIS, then while you're at it, get the President and his gangs too! :thumbs::whistle:


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Hi all,

I know that polygraphs are not fool proof evidence but I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of it being used in an interview.

For example, I, as benficiary, take a polygraph test in regards to the true relationship with my fiancee and give it to my fiancee to take to interview.

It might aleviate some doubt with the CO in regards to my intentions at least.

Just a random thought......

What do you think?

John

I think you should not worry too much about that (of course everyone does) but my point is, maybe they do not have any concerns about your relationship and think everything is real but if you show up with such a thing like polygraphs it might give them an idea that something might be wrong with this relationship.

Just my opinion.

Just try to be honest and firm in your answers about your relationship (I know that interviews in Vietnam are really tough from what I read so far).

Good luck!!


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02/12/2007 - Fingerprinting in St. Louis

03/28/2007 - email notification that card production ordered!!!! (Day 68)

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02/09/09 - touch

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12/11/09 - Filed N-400 to NSC

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the thinking that as a US citizen the CO's job is to make things easier for our fiances to join us here in our home.

Next, you'll be claiming it's your TAX dollars that pay for the CO's salary, then move onto the USCIS, then while you're at it, get the President and his gangs too! :thumbs::whistle:

Now that's thinking REALLY Big Picture!!! :o


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FOREIGN INCOME REPORTING & TAX FILING -->> https://www.irs.gov/publications/p54/ch01.html#en_US_2015_publink100047318

CALL THIS NUMBER TO ORDER IRS TAX TRANSCRIPTS >> 800-908-9946

PLEASE READ THE GUIDES -->> Link to Visa Journey Guides

MULTI ENTRY SPOUSE VISA TO VN -->>Link to Visa Exemption for Vietnamese Residents Overseas & Their Spouses

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John,

That might be an issue of interest in some cases, when it is thought that there might be a business or family relationship. It still comes back to what the visa applicant's intentions are.

If it's determined that the visa applicant's intentions are not what they should be, and there is a business of family relationship between the petitioner and the visa applicant, then the petitioner's intentions may also be questioned - knowlingly assisting someone to immigrate in violation of the law is a crime.

Yodrak

>It is not your intentions that they are trying to ascertain. It is the visa applicant's.

Hmm. But I've read about the consulate inquiring into business and family relationships between petitioner and the family of benficiary. That would seem to reflect on my intentions as well.

.....

John

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