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Hi,

We still haven't got our marriage certificate :angry: though we asked it be expedited and paid extra fee. We got married in Hawaii. We're wondering if I can send the entire package now without the certificate and get an RFE later. Would the entire package be sent back to us and have us start over paying the increased fee? If I send it postage stamped on Monday Jul 30 - would that still be the old fee or the increased fee?

thanks for any advice

arnold & joan


Arnold & Joan's Timeline

============ AOS Phase ========

05/28/07 - Applied for Joan's SSN - no problems - got it in mail a few days later

07/09/07 - Got Maui'd in Hawaii Wedding Photos

07/19/07 - Got vaccination for Joan (she didn't get it in Phil)

08/15/07 - Filed our AOS papers

10/--/07 - Found out we sent the papers to wrong office. We've called several times to get this clarified but all got is that we need to WAIT for our papers to be forwarded or returned to us.

10/--/07 - We got our papers back.... ngngngng and re-sent it to the right office

01/23/08 - Got our interview date

03/10/08 - INTERVIEW DONE!! Our Interview Experience

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July 30th marks the start of the new fee. So I think it doesn't really matters for you, you should wait until you get your certificate, it will be safer.


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You are too late to pay the old fee.... you would have had to have it in the mail yesterday.... so if you file it tomorrow you will have to pay the new fee.... you are better off waiting for the marriage certificate then file....

Kez

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Hi,

We still haven't got our marriage certificate :angry: though we asked it be expedited and paid extra fee. We got married in Hawaii. We're wondering if I can send the entire package now without the certificate and get an RFE later. Would the entire package be sent back to us and have us start over paying the increased fee? If I send it postage stamped on Monday Jul 30 - would that still be the old fee or the increased fee?

thanks for any advice

arnold & joan

July 30th marks the start of the new fee. So I think it doesn't really matters for you, you should wait until you get your certificate, it will be safer.

:yes: the new fees take effect on July 30th


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If you are filing an AOS family based petition, I would file with the marriage certificate as that is the whole basis of your case.


"...My hair's mostly wind,

My eyes filled with grit

My skin's white then brown

My lips chapped and split

I've lain on the prairie and heard grasses sigh

I've stared at the vast open bowl of the sky

I've seen all the castles and faces in clouds

My home is the prairie and for that I am proud…

If You're not from the Prairie, you can't know my soul

You don't know our blizzards; you've not fought our cold

You can't know my mind, nor ever my heart

Unless deep within you there's somehow a part…

A part of these things that I've said that I know,

The wind, sky and earth, the storms and the snow.

Best say that you have - and then we'll be one,

For we will have shared that same blazing sun." - David Bouchard

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We didnt! lol! We filled before the new fees took place asm we were told our marriage cert would be sent afer about 1 month and we wanted to file before the new fees. We sent in a copy of the marriage license and we were given a 'marriage cert' which the minister filled in, which is bascially the certified marriage cert without the notary! We are expecting a RFE, but at least we didnt pay the higher fees! The annoying thing is that the actual certified marriage cert arrived only 1 week after and that was without payin anything extra for a fast service!!!


OUR K-1 VISA JOURNEY

K1 Application

12-01-2006 I-129F sent priority USPS to CSC ... the real journey begins! (Day 1)

12-06-2006 NOA1 (Day 4)

03-05-2007 NOA2 - YAY!! (Day 89))

05-04-2007 INTERVIEW!!!!!! - APPROVED! (Day 149)

05-10-2007 Visa received (Day 155)

05-17-2007 ARRIVED IN PHOENIX (Day 162)

05-25-2007 Applied SSN

06-04-2007 Received SSN in the mail

06-14-2007 Passed driving test and now have my license

07-12-2007 MARRIED

07-24-2007 Changed name with SSA

AOS

05-31-2007 Appointment with Civil Surgeon for I-693A

07-16-2007 AOS sent to Chicago (received 07-18) (Day 1)

07-27-2007 NOA1 date (received 8/1) (Day 9)

07-30-2007 Check cashed (Day 12)

08-14-2007 Biometrics (Day 28)

11-29-2007 INTERVIEW DATE!!!!!! (Day 131) APPROVED

12-11-2007 Greencard Received

ROC

09-01-2009 I-751 sent to VSC (received 09-03) (Day 1)

09-04-2009 NOA Date (received 09-14) (Day 4)

09-08-2009 Check Cashed (Day 8)

10-05-2009 Biometrics @ Jackson MS (received 09-24) (Day 35)

01-08-2010 10 Year Greencard approved

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That's great Jamal. However, Arnold and Joan are already now in the new fees bracket any ways. While they might not have to file with the marriage certificate right away, only to wait for an RFE. That RFE is going to delay their application and who knows for how long by the time USCIS sends it out and they send in the cert. In their situation, I would just wait if you aren't in any rush.


"...My hair's mostly wind,

My eyes filled with grit

My skin's white then brown

My lips chapped and split

I've lain on the prairie and heard grasses sigh

I've stared at the vast open bowl of the sky

I've seen all the castles and faces in clouds

My home is the prairie and for that I am proud…

If You're not from the Prairie, you can't know my soul

You don't know our blizzards; you've not fought our cold

You can't know my mind, nor ever my heart

Unless deep within you there's somehow a part…

A part of these things that I've said that I know,

The wind, sky and earth, the storms and the snow.

Best say that you have - and then we'll be one,

For we will have shared that same blazing sun." - David Bouchard

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That's great Jamal. However, Arnold and Joan are already now in the new fees bracket any ways. While they might not have to file with the marriage certificate right away, only to wait for an RFE. That RFE is going to delay their application and who knows for how long by the time USCIS sends it out and they send in the cert. In their situation, I would just wait if you aren't in any rush.

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We didnt! lol! We filled before the new fees took place asm we were told our marriage cert would be sent afer about 1 month and we wanted to file before the new fees. We sent in a copy of the marriage license and we were given a 'marriage cert' which the minister filled in, which is bascially the certified marriage cert without the notary! We are expecting a RFE, but at least we didnt pay the higher fees! The annoying thing is that the actual certified marriage cert arrived only 1 week after and that was without payin anything extra for a fast service!!!

Lets hope they dont reject your entire packet and return it to you, because without that marriage certificate you have no basis for filling for AOS.... if they do you will have to refile with the new fee...

Good Luck

Kez

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We didnt! lol! We filled before the new fees took place asm we were told our marriage cert would be sent afer about 1 month and we wanted to file before the new fees. We sent in a copy of the marriage license and we were given a 'marriage cert' which the minister filled in, which is bascially the certified marriage cert without the notary! We are expecting a RFE, but at least we didnt pay the higher fees! The annoying thing is that the actual certified marriage cert arrived only 1 week after and that was without payin anything extra for a fast service!!!

Lets hope they dont reject your entire packet and return it to you, because without that marriage certificate you have no basis for filling for AOS.... if they do you will have to refile with the new fee...

Good Luck

Kez

Even without the 'certified' marriage cert it's pretty obvious that we got married, infact, it even has the state of nv seal, and like I said, it's eactly the same as the certified copy, except it doesnt have a raised seal, which wouldn't show on a photocopy that well. I'm sure they dont go though the applicaton with a fine tooth comb when they first receive it, just find the check, make sure its the correct amount, issue a NOA1 and put it aside until someone starts looking at it.


OUR K-1 VISA JOURNEY

K1 Application

12-01-2006 I-129F sent priority USPS to CSC ... the real journey begins! (Day 1)

12-06-2006 NOA1 (Day 4)

03-05-2007 NOA2 - YAY!! (Day 89))

05-04-2007 INTERVIEW!!!!!! - APPROVED! (Day 149)

05-10-2007 Visa received (Day 155)

05-17-2007 ARRIVED IN PHOENIX (Day 162)

05-25-2007 Applied SSN

06-04-2007 Received SSN in the mail

06-14-2007 Passed driving test and now have my license

07-12-2007 MARRIED

07-24-2007 Changed name with SSA

AOS

05-31-2007 Appointment with Civil Surgeon for I-693A

07-16-2007 AOS sent to Chicago (received 07-18) (Day 1)

07-27-2007 NOA1 date (received 8/1) (Day 9)

07-30-2007 Check cashed (Day 12)

08-14-2007 Biometrics (Day 28)

11-29-2007 INTERVIEW DATE!!!!!! (Day 131) APPROVED

12-11-2007 Greencard Received

ROC

09-01-2009 I-751 sent to VSC (received 09-03) (Day 1)

09-04-2009 NOA Date (received 09-14) (Day 4)

09-08-2009 Check Cashed (Day 8)

10-05-2009 Biometrics @ Jackson MS (received 09-24) (Day 35)

01-08-2010 10 Year Greencard approved

01-19-2010 10 Year Greencard received

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We didnt! lol! We filled before the new fees took place asm we were told our marriage cert would be sent afer about 1 month and we wanted to file before the new fees. We sent in a copy of the marriage license and we were given a 'marriage cert' which the minister filled in, which is bascially the certified marriage cert without the notary! We are expecting a RFE, but at least we didnt pay the higher fees! The annoying thing is that the actual certified marriage cert arrived only 1 week after and that was without payin anything extra for a fast service!!!

Lets hope they dont reject your entire packet and return it to you, because without that marriage certificate you have no basis for filling for AOS.... if they do you will have to refile with the new fee...

Good Luck

Kez

Even without the 'certified' marriage cert it's pretty obvious that we got married, infact, it even has the state of nv seal, and like I said, it's eactly the same as the certified copy, except it doesnt have a raised seal, which wouldn't show on a photocopy that well. I'm sure they dont go though the applicaton with a fine tooth comb when they first receive it, just find the check, make sure its the correct amount, issue a NOA1 and put it aside until someone starts looking at it.

They do check your application for completeness before they issue the NOA1... but lets hope your right....

Kez

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Thanks everyone.

Yeah, I missed the boat. I thought it was going to be Aug 1st where the fees changed - I misunderstood and should've double checked. I was going to send paperwork in like JamalNTam without the marriage cert just to make it within the lower fee bracket and just hope for an RFE Good luck to JamalNTam who went that route. I hope they just send you an RFE.

Arnold & Joan


Arnold & Joan's Timeline

============ AOS Phase ========

05/28/07 - Applied for Joan's SSN - no problems - got it in mail a few days later

07/09/07 - Got Maui'd in Hawaii Wedding Photos

07/19/07 - Got vaccination for Joan (she didn't get it in Phil)

08/15/07 - Filed our AOS papers

10/--/07 - Found out we sent the papers to wrong office. We've called several times to get this clarified but all got is that we need to WAIT for our papers to be forwarded or returned to us.

10/--/07 - We got our papers back.... ngngngng and re-sent it to the right office

01/23/08 - Got our interview date

03/10/08 - INTERVIEW DONE!! Our Interview Experience

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We don't want to burst your bubble jamal, but they are pretty stringent when they deal with this stuff. They are going to want the marriage certificate with the specific notary. I understand you not wanting to pay the higher fees! I wouldn't either! Just expect to get that RFE and know that your process is going to be a bit longer. I got an RFE as well and my application is going to be delayed a tiny bit longer than it would have taken.

Although in your case arnold and joan, if you have no proof of marriage at this point, don't bother sending it in. Like it was previously stated, you can't file a family based petition based upon marriage without a marriage certificate. I think that would be pointless. However, I'm not the law so...maybe you can.

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"...My hair's mostly wind,

My eyes filled with grit

My skin's white then brown

My lips chapped and split

I've lain on the prairie and heard grasses sigh

I've stared at the vast open bowl of the sky

I've seen all the castles and faces in clouds

My home is the prairie and for that I am proud…

If You're not from the Prairie, you can't know my soul

You don't know our blizzards; you've not fought our cold

You can't know my mind, nor ever my heart

Unless deep within you there's somehow a part…

A part of these things that I've said that I know,

The wind, sky and earth, the storms and the snow.

Best say that you have - and then we'll be one,

For we will have shared that same blazing sun." - David Bouchard

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O yea - we expect a RFE - we just dont think its going to be returned to us and that we'll have to submit a whole new application


OUR K-1 VISA JOURNEY

K1 Application

12-01-2006 I-129F sent priority USPS to CSC ... the real journey begins! (Day 1)

12-06-2006 NOA1 (Day 4)

03-05-2007 NOA2 - YAY!! (Day 89))

05-04-2007 INTERVIEW!!!!!! - APPROVED! (Day 149)

05-10-2007 Visa received (Day 155)

05-17-2007 ARRIVED IN PHOENIX (Day 162)

05-25-2007 Applied SSN

06-04-2007 Received SSN in the mail

06-14-2007 Passed driving test and now have my license

07-12-2007 MARRIED

07-24-2007 Changed name with SSA

AOS

05-31-2007 Appointment with Civil Surgeon for I-693A

07-16-2007 AOS sent to Chicago (received 07-18) (Day 1)

07-27-2007 NOA1 date (received 8/1) (Day 9)

07-30-2007 Check cashed (Day 12)

08-14-2007 Biometrics (Day 28)

11-29-2007 INTERVIEW DATE!!!!!! (Day 131) APPROVED

12-11-2007 Greencard Received

ROC

09-01-2009 I-751 sent to VSC (received 09-03) (Day 1)

09-04-2009 NOA Date (received 09-14) (Day 4)

09-08-2009 Check Cashed (Day 8)

10-05-2009 Biometrics @ Jackson MS (received 09-24) (Day 35)

01-08-2010 10 Year Greencard approved

01-19-2010 10 Year Greencard received

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It might not...be positive. Always expect things to pop up though! Dealing with this stuff is...#######! haha


"...My hair's mostly wind,

My eyes filled with grit

My skin's white then brown

My lips chapped and split

I've lain on the prairie and heard grasses sigh

I've stared at the vast open bowl of the sky

I've seen all the castles and faces in clouds

My home is the prairie and for that I am proud…

If You're not from the Prairie, you can't know my soul

You don't know our blizzards; you've not fought our cold

You can't know my mind, nor ever my heart

Unless deep within you there's somehow a part…

A part of these things that I've said that I know,

The wind, sky and earth, the storms and the snow.

Best say that you have - and then we'll be one,

For we will have shared that same blazing sun." - David Bouchard

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