Request For Evidence - I-751

[T&M 0]

Thanks lucyrich! I read all the was contain in 21.5 I’m definitely a B. Once I submit a cover letter and additional evidence I should be good to go

[lucyrich 19]

Thanks lucyrich! I read all the was contain in 21.5 I’m definitely a B. Once I submit a cover letter and additional evidence I should be good to go

I didn't mean to inspire complete confidence. Remember that one of the listed reasons for assigning a fraud level of "A" is "Insufficient evidence". They don't publically tell us exactly where the sufficient/insufficient boundary lies, so I wouldn't be so confident you're on the right side of it.

And remember that you DO carry the burden of proving the validity of your marriage; they don't have to prove you've committed fraud. If it comes down to it, the interview process will give you the opportunity of showing that validity. It's up to you to politely cooperate enough to make sure the interview results in them finding you eligible for approval.

[T&M 0]

Thanks lucyrich! I read all the was contain in 21.5 I’m definitely a B. Once I submit a cover letter and additional evidence I should be good to go

I didn't mean to inspire complete confidence. Remember that one of the listed reasons for assigning a fraud level of "A" is "Insufficient evidence". They don't publically tell us exactly where the sufficient/insufficient boundary lies, so I wouldn't be so confident you're on the right side of it.

And remember that you DO carry the burden of proving the validity of your marriage; they don't have to prove you've committed fraud. If it comes down to it, the interview process will give you the opportunity of showing that validity. It's up to you to politely cooperate enough to make sure the interview results in them finding you eligible for approval.

Don't worry; you didn't inspire me with complete confidence. I do know from the bottom of my heart that all is true. I will give them what is applicable. Explain the NAs and that's it. I'm not going to stress over this. Good day

[Nancy2015 2]

Did you read the beginning post -- they already don't believe him, based on the evidence he submitted! Hence the RFE! If he continues to ignore the very wise advice he has received in this thread from many people, they are going to be in trouble -- I'm not convinced he will even get to the interview stage based on the evidence he plans on submitting. I could be wrong.

Yes, I did read the beggining post. I even read the whole thread. I just don't believe that USCIC would deny a legitimate couple due to lack of financial evidence. I haven't heard of a denied I-751 when it was filed jointly, but if it ever happened, I would be really interested in reading about it.

How about the following links.... AOS denied, when petitioned jointly. It seems that it does happen, and the mess afterwards is time consuming and expensive to clean up.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/lofivers...php/t60230.html

or this

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/lofivers...php/t60230.html

There are others, I just did an "AOS denied" search and chose two here.

-P

This is about denied AOS, not joint I-751.

[Cassie 8]

Thanks lucyrich! I read all the was contain in 21.5 I’m definitely a B. Once I submit a cover letter and additional evidence I should be good to go

I didn't mean to inspire complete confidence. Remember that one of the listed reasons for assigning a fraud level of "A" is "Insufficient evidence". They don't publically tell us exactly where the sufficient/insufficient boundary lies, so I wouldn't be so confident you're on the right side of it.

And remember that you DO carry the burden of proving the validity of your marriage; they don't have to prove you've committed fraud. If it comes down to it, the interview process will give you the opportunity of showing that validity. It's up to you to politely cooperate enough to make sure the interview results in them finding you eligible for approval.

Don't worry; you didn't inspire me with complete confidence. I do know from the bottom of my heart that all is true. I will give them what is applicable. Explain the NAs and that's it. I'm not going to stress over this. Good day

let us know how it goes.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Yes, I did read the beggining post. I even read the whole thread. I just don't believe that USCIC would deny a legitimate couple due to lack of financial evidence. I haven't heard of a denied I-751 when it was filed jointly, but if it ever happened, I would be really interested in reading about it.

Most aliens that marry for fraudulent interests and to gain immigration benefit would, if smart and methodical, await the removal of conditions before ending the marriage and going their separate ways, literally and figuratively (even if they never resided together). Why would they take a chance at being discovered in the waiver process, if they were headed toward the proverbial finish line with the consenting USC?

If what you are asserting were true, then USCIS would be approving each and every one of them. Not all marriage-based cases that involve fraud, either outright fraud committed by consenting parties or unilateral fraud, where the USC is none the wiser, are discovered at the AOS stage, you know. Believe me, I can attest to that.

[mawilson 2,133]

Most aliens that marry for fraudulent interests and to gain immigration benefit would, if smart and methodical, await the removal of conditions before ending the marriage and going their separate ways, literally and figuratively (even if they never resided together). Why would they take a chance at being discovered in the waiver process, if they were headed toward the proverbial finish line with the consenting USC?

If what you are asserting were true, then USCIS would be approving each and every one of them. Not all marriage-based cases that involve fraud, either outright fraud committed by consenting parties or unilateral fraud, where the USC is none the wiser, are discovered at the AOS stage, you know. Believe me, I can attest to that.

How do you know so much about immigration fraud and how it's discovered?

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Most aliens that marry for fraudulent interests and to gain immigration benefit would, if smart and methodical, await the removal of conditions before ending the marriage and going their separate ways, literally and figuratively (even if they never resided together). Why would they take a chance at being discovered in the waiver process, if they were headed toward the proverbial finish line with the consenting USC?

If what you are asserting were true, then USCIS would be approving each and every one of them. Not all marriage-based cases that involve fraud, either outright fraud committed by consenting parties or unilateral fraud, where the USC is none the wiser, are discovered at the AOS stage, you know. Believe me, I can attest to that.

How do you know so much about immigration fraud and how it's discovered?

Now I would think that this would be quite obvious, don't you?

[Nancy2015 2]

Most aliens that marry for fraudulent interests and to gain immigration benefit would, if smart and methodical, await the removal of conditions before ending the marriage and going their separate ways, literally and figuratively (even if they never resided together). Why would they take a chance at being discovered in the waiver process, if they were headed toward the proverbial finish line with the consenting USC?

If what you are asserting were true, then USCIS would be approving each and every one of them. Not all marriage-based cases that involve fraud, either outright fraud committed by consenting parties or unilateral fraud, where the USC is none the wiser, are discovered at the AOS stage, you know. Believe me, I can attest to that.

I bet a lot of them never get discovered at all!

The issue here is that the OP's marriage is not fraudulent, so even if USCIS investigate the hell out of it, they shouldn't find a reason to deny his I-751. So, in this particular case, even the lack of evidence shouldn't preclude the OP's spouse from removing conditions, imho. On the other hand, I imagine that most legitimate couples have a lot of financial stuff together - you just can't help accumulating it, it just happens. Something, however, tells me that the OP is very young, so that may be the reason they don't have lots of joint assets or liabilities.

Of course, I'm aware of how the legal system works - it's never what you know, it's what you can prove

[Nancy2015 2]

Now I would think that this would be quite obvious, don't you?

Well, not to me

[mawilson 2,133]

I bet a lot of them never get discovered at all!

They let so much obvious fraud get through that when they say it's fraud, it must be REALLY blatant.

[Cassie 8]

Most aliens that marry for fraudulent interests and to gain immigration benefit would, if smart and methodical, await the removal of conditions before ending the marriage and going their separate ways, literally and figuratively (even if they never resided together). Why would they take a chance at being discovered in the waiver process, if they were headed toward the proverbial finish line with the consenting USC?

If what you are asserting were true, then USCIS would be approving each and every one of them. Not all marriage-based cases that involve fraud, either outright fraud committed by consenting parties or unilateral fraud, where the USC is none the wiser, are discovered at the AOS stage, you know. Believe me, I can attest to that.

I bet a lot of them never get discovered at all!

The issue here is that the OP's marriage is not fraudulent, so even if USCIS investigate the hell out of it, they shouldn't find a reason to deny his I-751. So, in this particular case, even the lack of evidence shouldn't preclude the OP's spouse from removing conditions, imho. On the other hand, I imagine that most legitimate couples have a lot of financial stuff together - you just can't help accumulating it, it just happens. Something, however, tells me that the OP is very young, so that may be the reason they don't have lots of joint assets or liabilities.

Of course, I'm aware of how the legal system works - it's never what you know, it's what you can prove

We don't know that, all we have is his word to go by, he hasn't proven it sufficiently to me

Perhaps that was a bit of a facetious statement, but I have learned through this process that you can't leave anything to chance.

Sure, they might not have a lot of joint assets or liabilities, but there's lots of other things he could submit (many of which have been listed in detail in this thread) to cover it. A letter of explanation is not going to cut it, IMHO. I predict he and his spouse are going to get hauled in for an interview, and if he presents himself to the adjudicator as he has in this thread (ie. the jealousy comments come to mind here), he's going to be in trouble.

I went into preparing my I-751 submission with the attitude that I will not leave any doubt that I have a bonafide, ongoing relationship with my husband. I might have erred on the side of excess, but I wasn't going to leave the door open for questioning.

[T&M 0]

We don't know that, all we have is his word to go by, he hasn't proven it sufficiently to me

Perhaps that was a bit of a facetious statement, but I have learned through this process that you can't leave anything to chance.

Sure, they might not have a lot of joint assets or liabilities, but there's lots of other things he could submit (many of which have been listed in detail in this thread) to cover it. A letter of explanation is not going to cut it, IMHO. I predict he and his spouse are going to get hauled in for an interview, and if he presents himself to the adjudicator as he has in this thread (ie. the jealousy comments come to mind here), he's going to be in trouble.

I went into preparing my I-751 submission with the attitude that I will not leave any doubt that I have a bonafide, ongoing relationship with my husband. I might have erred on the side of excess, but I wasn't going to leave the door open for questioning.

This first time of filed I-751 form I enclosed: Two letters from friends; Bank Statements. That's it.

Next week I'm going to submit: explanation letter, notarize letter from my parents saying we live at this current address, copy of the tax statement for 2006 showing we filled as a married couple,

letter form an elder saying he sees us attending bible instructing meetings every week, copies of her State ID and my DL, card signature from the Bank showing joint ownership on checking and saving accounts, copy of the title of our car showing joint ownership and Arizona State Retirement. I might throw in some cards.

If you still think I'm in trouble. Then you're crazy. Being that I'm young, (yes, Jewel) they'll understand. Anybody with common sense will understand. With that being said. State some facts that my marriage is fraudulent detective.

Edited July 20, 2007 by T&M

[Kez/JWolf 6]

We don't know that, all we have is his word to go by, he hasn't proven it sufficiently to me

Perhaps that was a bit of a facetious statement, but I have learned through this process that you can't leave anything to chance.

Sure, they might not have a lot of joint assets or liabilities, but there's lots of other things he could submit (many of which have been listed in detail in this thread) to cover it. A letter of explanation is not going to cut it, IMHO. I predict he and his spouse are going to get hauled in for an interview, and if he presents himself to the adjudicator as he has in this thread (ie. the jealousy comments come to mind here), he's going to be in trouble.

I went into preparing my I-751 submission with the attitude that I will not leave any doubt that I have a bonafide, ongoing relationship with my husband. I might have erred on the side of excess, but I wasn't going to leave the door open for questioning.

This first time of filed I-751 form I enclosed: Two letters from friends; Bank Statements. That's it.

Next week I'm going to submit: explanation letter, notarize letter from my parents saying we live at this current address, copy of the tax statement for 2006 showing we filled as a married couple,

letter form an elder saying he sees us attending bible instructing meetings every week, copies of her State ID and my DL, card signature from the Bank showing joint ownership on checking and saving accounts, copy of the title of our car showing joint ownership and Arizona State Retirement. I might throw in some cards.

If you still think I'm in trouble. Then you're crazy. Being that I'm young, (yes, Jewel) they'll understand. Anybody with common sense will understand. With that being said. State some facts that my marriage is fraudulent detective.

You came to the forum asking for help and advise..... it was given..... you did not like what you were being told.... you then attacked the people who were trying to help you....

You say "Anybody with common sense will understand" well if we have all learnt one thing it is that with USCIS common sense does not play any part in the immigration process...

You think you now have enough evidence "Being that I'm young, (yes, Jewel) they'll understand" well they make no allowances for age either young or older.... we all have to supply the same evidence.... But of course you being young know better than those of us who have been around a bit and have learned that sometimes we can be wrong and that we do need to listen to other.....

Well good Luck

Kez

[T&M 0]

You came to the forum asking for help and advise..... it was given..... you did not like what you were being told.... you then attacked the people who were trying to help you....

You say "Anybody with common sense will understand" well if we have all learnt one thing it is that with USCIS common sense does not play any part in the immigration process...

You think you now have enough evidence "Being that I'm young, (yes, Jewel) they'll understand" well they make no allowances for age either young or older.... we all have to supply the same evidence.... But of course you being young know better than those of us who have been around a bit and have learned that sometimes we can be wrong and that we do need to listen to other.....

Well good Luck

Kez

Sigh. I did not like what was being told? I simply listened and applied what was applicable. I can't be force to send something that I don't have I wonder why that’s so hard to understand. Why isn't anybod telling this person they're in trouble:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=68499

I wonder what makes her evidence so special that I'm lacking. Hm. Whatever though.