Senate resuscitates immigration bill

[GaryC 7]

So if you are an Undocumented American you can avoid deportation by pointing out that the statute of limitations has run out on your initial offence?

An interesting concept.

Not one that I have heard of being argued before.

I'm not using it as a direct argument per se. But these stubborn ideologues keep bringing up the issue of legality and crime as if, one, they have a reasonable, legal understanding of law, and two, as if crime and punishment is an open and shut case.

I'm sorry Steven. I didn't know you were a lawyer.

Do you deny that working without EAD is a crime? Do you deny that evading federal and state income taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading Medicare taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading SS taxes is a crime? Do you deny that using a fake SSN is a crime? Do you deny that using a stolen SSN is a crime?

From your "expert" legal standing as a lawyer do you think that these things do or do not constitute a continuing crime?

[Alex+R 0]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

[Boiler 47,524]

So if you are an Undocumented American you can avoid deportation by pointing out that the statute of limitations has run out on your initial offence?

An interesting concept.

Not one that I have heard of being argued before.

I'm not using it as a direct argument per se. But these stubborn ideologues keep bringing up the issue of legality and crime as if, one, they have a reasonable, legal understanding of law, and two, as if crime and punishment is an open and shut case.

I'm sorry Steven. I didn't know you were a lawyer.

Do you deny that working without EAD is a crime? Do you deny that evading federal and state income taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading Medicare taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading SS taxes is a crime? Do you deny that using a fake SSN is a crime? Do you deny that using a stolen SSN is a crime?

From your "expert" legal standing as a lawyer do you think that these things do or do not constitute a continuing crime?

They are just doing jobs Americans will not do and supporting their famlies.

GW said so.

[natty bumppo 297]

So if you are an Undocumented American you can avoid deportation by pointing out that the statute of limitations has run out on your initial offence?

An interesting concept.

Not one that I have heard of being argued before.

I'm not using it as a direct argument per se. But these stubborn ideologues keep bringing up the issue of legality and crime as if, one, they have a reasonable, legal understanding of law, and two, as if crime and punishment is an open and shut case.

I'm sorry Steven. I didn't know you were a lawyer.

Do you deny that working without EAD is a crime? Do you deny that evading federal and state income taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading Medicare taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading SS taxes is a crime? Do you deny that using a fake SSN is a crime? Do you deny that using a stolen SSN is a crime?

From your "expert" legal standing as a lawyer do you think that these things do or do not constitute a continuing crime?

just thought ... without legal entry documentation ... how do you prove time of entry ?

[Dan J 277]

So if you are an Undocumented American you can avoid deportation by pointing out that the statute of limitations has run out on your initial offence?

An interesting concept.

Not one that I have heard of being argued before.

I'm not using it as a direct argument per se. But these stubborn ideologues keep bringing up the issue of legality and crime as if, one, they have a reasonable, legal understanding of law, and two, as if crime and punishment is an open and shut case.

I'm sorry Steven. I didn't know you were a lawyer.

Do you deny that working without EAD is a crime? Do you deny that evading federal and state income taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading Medicare taxes is a crime? Do you deny that evading SS taxes is a crime? Do you deny that using a fake SSN is a crime? Do you deny that using a stolen SSN is a crime?

From your "expert" legal standing as a lawyer do you think that these things do or do not constitute a continuing crime?

Thats different, and the code applying to illegal entry, does not apply.

Some of them do pay taxes, SS and Medicare, even using a stolen or illegal SSN. They just don't get to use the benefits from it, since they paid the taxes to an account thats not theirs.

There are more than just illegal immigrants that avoid paying taxes by doing everything in cash. Even some citizens believe that income tax is unconstitutional.

The simple way to solve the issue you bring up is amnesty. We gain nothing at a huge cost by deportation.

[GaryC 7]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

With all due respect you have no idea what my moral system is. Even though it is none of your damn business I will tell you that I gave up drinking 25 years ago. I am not proud of the mistakes I made in my youth and they have not been repeated. I grew up. Seems that some here haven't.

[Dan J 277]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

I'm sure some of the anti-amnesty people think that bombing abortion clinics is just.

[GaryC 7]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

I'm sure some of the anti-amnesty people think that bombing abortion clinics is just.

Bite me. Now your showing your true colors. When faced with right and wrong you can't stand the heat. So you revert to things like this.

[Dan J 277]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

I'm sure some of the anti-amnesty people think that bombing abortion clinics is just.

Bite me. Now your showing your true colors. When faced with right and wrong you can't stand the heat. So you revert to things like this.

Keyword: SOME

[GaryC 7]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

I'm sure some of the anti-amnesty people think that bombing abortion clinics is just.

Bite me. Now your showing your true colors. When faced with right and wrong you can't stand the heat. So you revert to things like this.

Keyword: SOME

Keyword: deflect.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

With all due respect you have no idea what my moral system is. Even though it is none of your damn business I will tell you that I gave up drinking 25 years ago. I am not proud of the mistakes I made in my youth and they have not been repeated. I grew up. Seems that some here haven't.

But do you think you should be legally held to account for stuff you did 25 years ago?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Sure buddy. With people like you, lawyers and judges would be obsolete.

Whoa...smoke20...be sure to use the quote tags correctly...it's all jacked up.

still waiting for an explaination of the "people like you" comment. do you mean people that don't use a thesaurus to try sound more intellegent? what are you saying steven? you're not trying to start w/ personal insults now are you?

Why do we have judges and lawyers if following a written law requires no interpretation?

[Alex+R 0]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

With all due respect you have no idea what my moral system is. Even though it is none of your damn business I will tell you that I gave up drinking 25 years ago. I am not proud of the mistakes I made in my youth and they have not been repeated. I grew up. Seems that some here haven't.

But do you think you should be legally held to account for stuff you did 25 years ago?

Yes, that was my point. Also that one cannot argue that something is wrong and should be brought to punishment just because it is illegal unless everything illegal is therefore wrong and should be brought to punishment.

Congratulations on quitting drinking, too (I mean that, in case there is question.)

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

I don't think that analogy helps as much as you think. Presumably you wouldn't think it fair if after 30 years of being an upstanding citizen, the police decided to prosecute you for a thirty-year-old drunk driving offense. And if it turns out that means you were a felon all this time, it would seem wrong for the local government to claim your house and everything else based on the fact that a felon drunk like you had no right to the jobs you've held and the money you've made.

Exactly.

What is the statute of limitations for most non-violent crimes? 10 years or less in most states? In Texas, it's 5 years for theft, burglary and kidnapping.

Stubborn ideologues who have no reasonable concept of law preaching about lawfulness...oye!

statute of limitation.....they are breaking the law everyday!

Is that a legal opinion or just yours?

For the hundredth time.

§ 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who

(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or

(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or

(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...25----000-.html

To be here legally you need to be inspected. Eluding that inspection is a crime. For every day you are not inspected you are eluding it. That is a crime every day. Not to mention that working without EAD is also a crime. Not to mention that evading Income tax, medicare tax and SS tax is also a crime. Many of them use false ID's. That is a crime. Many of them use stolen ID's. That is a crime. Your hiding your head in the sand to think that the only crime was sneaking across the border.

Gary, the part in red is your opinion, right? Find me a legal opinion - an interpretation other than your own over how that law applies with the statute of limitations and then we'll talk.

Not only do these Illegal Criminals break Federal law by invading USA they Break local Laws by stealing, Driving illegal, Drinking & Driving, Working illegally, Defrauding IRS & SS, Id Theft, Murder,

They are criminals who willingly , kwowingly continue to break federal and sate laws, They should NOT be given Amnesty in any way shape or form, they should be deported, made accountable for their illegal actions ( 5-10 year Band + Fines & Payment of back taxes and penalaties + interest) As any Legal resident would have to do if they defrauded the IRS,.

Then after all others who legally are waiting for GC finsih the process then these criminals can apply the lagal way!

[natty bumppo 297]

I'm sorry to fixate here, but I'm appalled that anyone can go around trumpeting about law-breaking who admits to having committed a serious crime that has killed so many people and does not seem to feel bad. It seems like your morals are based on not only what is legal but what is currently en vogue to be enforced. Your moral system does not extend beyond the laws of the US, does it?

With all due respect you have no idea what my moral system is. Even though it is none of your damn business I will tell you that I gave up drinking 25 years ago. I am not proud of the mistakes I made in my youth and they have not been repeated. I grew up. Seems that some here haven't.

But do you think you should be legally held to account for stuff you did 25 years ago?

If you continue every day to:

§ 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who

(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or

(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or

(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...25----000-.html

To be here legally you need to be inspected. Eluding that inspection is a crime. For every day you are not inspected you are eluding it. That is a crime every day.

It's a continuation of the same crime ... each day for 25 years.