Wait time for AP due to CCP

[DN1 3]

Our case was stuck in AP due to communist party membership. I understand every case is different, but would like to ask if any one recently was in AP due to the same reason, and how long it took for your case to get approved or how long have you been in AP. I read some posts related to CPP on this forum and on candleforlove forum, but all the threads were at least 3 years ago. Thanks a lot for your help.

[Pitaya 2,576]

On 10/3/2019 at 12:06 PM, DN1 said:

Our case was stuck in AP due to communist party membership. I understand every case is different, but would like to ask if any one recently was in AP due to the same reason, and how long it took for your case to get approved or how long have you been in AP. I read some posts related to CPP on this forum and on candleforlove forum, but all the threads were at least 3 years ago. Thanks a lot for your help.

There likely has not been a positive change in the length of automatic Administrative Processing (AP) in three years. Chinese Communist Party (CCP) membership still earns the beneficiary's case increased scrutiny and an unlimited amount of time in administrative processing at the Guangzhou US consulate (GUZ). What with the deteriorating state of affairs between the two countries, the growing unrest in HK (just 130 km down the Pearl River from the GUZ), https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/world/asia/hong-kong-protest-mask.html , the ascendancy of "Winnie the Pooh" to Chinese President for life, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi , and the increased fervor and militancy of the CCP activities during the recent 70th anniversary of the CCP taking over the Middle Kingdom, https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/01/xi-jinping-is-the-life-and-soul-of-the-party/ . I think that several years ago we may have experienced a nadir  in the scrutiny of CCP membership that has now passed.

 

Good luck on your immigration journey.

[RandyW 149]

A minor correction here - the Chinese president is elected to five year terms. Winnie the Pooh will be up for re-election in 2022.

 

Don't be surprised to see some controversy around that.

[Hemutian 68]

Feeling glad my wife was never a party member right now...

Edited October 8, 2019 by Hemutian
wrong quote

[DN1 3]

Thanks Pitaya and RandyW for your response. 3 years ago, the average wait time is about 4-6 months. Do you know of any case recently and how long does it take? I know we will need to wait, but having no information on the average wait time is like walking in the dark.

[Hemutian 68]

2 minutes ago, DN1 said:

Thanks Pitaya and RandyW for your response. 3 years ago, the average wait time is about 4-6 months. Do you know of any case recently and how long does it take? I know we will need to wait, but having no information on the average wait time is like walking in the dark.

Do you mean average wait time for all visa applicants from China, or average wait time for visa applicants from China who are held up in AP because of Communist Party membership? The former you can search right in the Processing Times section of VJ. The latter, I can't imagine that such a statistic exists!

[Pitaya 2,576]

On 10/6/2019 at 2:38 PM, RandyW said:

A minor correction here - the Chinese president is elected to five year terms. Winnie the Pooh will be up for re-election in 2022.

 

Don't be surprised to see some controversy around that.

 

Winnie is certainly flexing his power over the CCP, and the Chinese people. I am not so certain of him having any restrictions on his term of office as Chinese president:

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Removal of term limits

In March 2018, the party-controlled National People's Congress passed a set of constitutional amendments including removal of term limits for the president and vice president, the creation of a National Supervisory Commission, as well as enhancing the central role of the Communist Party.^[146][147] On 17 March 2018, the Chinese legislature reappointed Xi as president, now without term limits; Wang Qishan was appointed vice president.^[148][149] The following day, Li Keqiang was reappointed premier and longtime allies of Xi, Xu Qiliang and Zhang Youxia, were voted in as vice-chairmen of the state military commission.^[150] Foreign minister Wang Yi was promoted to state councillor and General Wei Fenghe was named defence minister.^[151]

REF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

A year later the CCP voted to enshrine Xi’s name and ideology, described as “thought” (“Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics in a New Era”), in the party’s constitution, an honour previously awarded only to Mao. Xi’s ideology was later enshrined in the country’s constitution by an amendment passed by the National People’s Congress (NPC) in March 2018. During the same legislative session, the NPC also passed other amendments to the constitution, including one that abolished term limits for the country’s president and vice president; this change would allow Xi to remain in office beyond 2023, when he would have been due to step down. The NPC also unanimously elected Xi to a second term as president of the country in March.

REF: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Xi-Jinping

 

It would seem that the Chinese people will likely be seeing Winnie around for some time. 👎

 

[RandyW 149]

On 10/10/2019 at 4:25 AM, DN1 said:

 

 

 

Chinese Presidents are elected to 5 year terms. Xi is up for re-election in 2022.

 

The "restriction" is that he will need to WANT to be re-elected, and then BE re-elected.

 

Neither is assured.

 

This is from Nikkei Asian Review

 

Xi poses a riddle and reignites speculation about his successors

Talk of a 'President Chen Min'er' and 'Premier Hu Chunhua' swirl in capital

 

 

 

 

 

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The bombshell was the presence of  Vice Premier Hu Chunhua, 56, at Xi's side during the inspection tour. While Hu is technically in charge of poverty eradication, the main objective of the tour, the Chongqing location and the images of Xi flanked by Chen and Hu sent shock waves.

 

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Back in March 2018, Xi revised the Chinese constitution, which had limited a president to serving two five-year terms. By striking the limit, Xi allowed himself, in effect, to stay in office for the rest of his life.

 

But Xi's highhandedness generated a strong backlash within the party, especially among elders who remember the 1966-1976 Cultural Revolution, which led to Mao Zedong's calamitous dictatorship.

 

Xi has significantly consolidated power with a blistering anti-corruption campaign. But criticism of his "dictatorial ways" within the party has a politically debilitating impact; it hits him like a body blow.

 

Xi is now taking another blow, from the U.S., which is damaging his economic management reputation. The situation is serious enough that it could eventually cause Xi to lose his political stamina and erode his unrivaled power.

 

Hemmed in, Xi served up the succession riddle. But it is likely more of a political tool than riddle, one Xi is wielding as the party begins to anticipate its next national congress, in 2022.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2019 by RandyW

[RandyW 149]

10 hours ago, Pitaya said:

 

 

 

It would seem that the Chinese people will likely be seeing Winnie around for some time. 👎

 

 

Just to make sure you get a notification

 

The removal of term limits was ostensibly done to bring the Presidential term in line with his other two titles, head of the military, and Communist Party chairman, which have never had term limitations - NOT to make him "president for life". We won't know anything before 2022.

 

Edited October 12, 2019 by RandyW

[Pitaya 2,576]

To us lowly folks in the West, it has the appearances of a fait accompli. 

 

Anyway you slice it, the Chinese people lose and the CCP wins.

[Pitaya 2,576]

15 hours ago, RandyW said:

 

Just to make sure you get a notification

 

The removal of term limits was ostensibly done to bring the Presidential term in line with his other two titles, head of the military, and Communist Party chairman, which have never had term limitations - NOT to make him "president for life". We won't know anything before 2022.

 

The CCP and Winnie not lock-in-step? Many western sinophiles are already comparing Winnie's stature within the party, and control of the party to the level of power wielded by Mao.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/01/xi-jinping-is-the-life-and-soul-of-the-party/

 

If only a portion of the predictions  come to pass, the world needs to be mindful of this developing hegemony.

 

Are you near the Pearl River delta?

Edited October 12, 2019 by Pitaya

[RandyW 149]

6 hours ago, Pitaya said:

The CCP and Winnie not lock-in-step? Many western sinophiles are already comparing Winnie's stature within the party, and control of the party to the level of power wielded by Mao.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/01/xi-jinping-is-the-life-and-soul-of-the-party/

 

If only a portion of the predictions  come to pass, the world needs to be mindful of this developing hegemony.

 

Are you near the Pearl River delta?

 

There are plenty of REASONS why Winnie might not continue his reign, including his age, and the fact that continuing down his path would be a big risk. Yes, his apparent level of stature and control are there - much the same as Trump's ongoing campaign rallies.

 

You never know what bubbles under the surface.

 

We are 200 km west of Guangzhou, in Yulin, Guangxi.

[Pitaya 2,576]

4 minutes ago, RandyW said:

 

There are plenty of REASONS why Winnie might not continue his reign, including his age, and the fact that continuing down his path would be a big risk. Yes, his apparent level of stature and control are there - much the same as Trump's ongoing campaign rallies.

 

You never know what bubbles under the surface.

 

We are 200 km west of Guangzhou, in Yulin, Guangxi.

Sure, then they can build statues of him standing next to Mao in all of the city squares, staring off into the horizon....ah yes, Mao and Winnie....  Hey, be careful what you say about his age. He is less than a month older than me...lol... and I plan on trying to keep on living for a score or more...

 

You make a good point about not knowing what is bubbling in the CCP cauldron. Your area sounds interesting, if the current tensions and rhetoric are ramped down, I would like to see the area and others. As you know, China is a huge country, with such culture. The closest I have been, was to Guangzhou (not exactly my cup of tea) and Xishuangbanna (loved the area and the people), about 1400km away. We went there on our honeymoon. 

 

Take care.

[Ryan H 3,790]

 

 

***If you wish to continue speculating on the future of President Xi, please do so in another thread; doing so here detracts from the OP's original post which is the point of this thread.***

 

[RamonGomez 259]

I've seen a huge variety of reports, some waited a few months, some more than a year. Don't think I've ever seen an official average. I really hope you're going down the CR1 route - if you're doing the K1 visa there's a good chance this issue will crop up again.