Why Flynn’s plea is a dead end for ‘Russiagate’ conspiracy

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Is there any investigator that you feel has no impartiality questionable? Seriously. Mueller is a lifelong public civil servant, who has served his country honorably, and has had great success at leading the FBI - he was the person both D's and R's agreed upon was the best fit for the job. Certainly not saying anything about blackmail. It's called plea bargaining, and I suspect that Maven would be great at explaining how that sort of stuff works, for clarity. Why would they include details regarding investigating a bigger fish? If some sort of obstruction is one of the angles they may or may not be examining, why would you want to tip people off? No one knows why Flynn talked, but... when it comes down to it there are hundreds of persons that do the same stupid thing. I'm not concerned with why he talked, I'm concerned why he lied. I'm concerned with all the things he was not charged with but could have been charged with. This is a man that doesn't serve a country or any president well at all. You would say the fact he lied makes him not a credible witness, but if I understand how such prosecutions work correctly, once you flip and swear to tell the truth or cooperate in the various methods they (may have already gotten him to wear a wire for instance) want, you agree that if you lie again - things get very very bad for you. They have him over a barrel, and I don't think there would be any lawyer out there that would advise a client to continue to be dishonest after taking such a deal. These things happen all the time, and they prove to be very valuable and successful witnesses for crimes.

 

Yes, I am saying there are more serious crimes that Flynn is being let off on. It's from sources I trust. Mueller could renege on the plea deal, but as far as I'm aware that's not how it works. He could renege if Flynn stops cooperating, but also offers no guarantee that Flynn will escape entirely from additional charges being brought. That's intentional and how it should work for something as serious. You might ask, why accept such a plea deal then, if it still leaves the door open for Mueller to bring heavier charges in later? I believe that this was the best outcome a lawyer could get for his client - he had no other options left. It's to Flynn's advantage to comply and hope that such compliance brings mercy.

 

 I did not say that we will need a SP at every single election - but we also should not fear one IF there is a President, or individuals surrounding the President that are doing very bad things. We have a democracy, a process, and a country to safeguard. We investigated Clinton and Nixon, no doubt the R's would have desired Mrs Clinton to have her time in the barrel too (something I'm not opposed to either). But SP's have also been assigned to investigate lots of things during various administrations... it's not so uncommon, you know? Sometimes they find big things, and sometimes they don't. We will find out.

click your heels three times and say Betleguese to summon the maves

[yuna628 9,937]

3 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

click your heels three times and say Betleguese to summon the maves

 

 

[Dashinka 26,350]

3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Is there any investigator that you feel has no impartiality questionable? Seriously. Mueller is a lifelong public civil servant, who has served his country honorably, and has had great success at leading the FBI - he was the person both D's and R's agreed upon was the best fit for the job. Certainly not saying anything about blackmail. It's called plea bargaining, and I suspect that Maven would be great at explaining how that sort of stuff works, for clarity. Why would they include details regarding investigating a bigger fish? If some sort of obstruction is one of the angles they may or may not be examining, why would you want to tip people off? No one knows why Flynn talked, but... when it comes down to it there are hundreds of persons that do the same stupid thing. I'm not concerned with why he talked, I'm concerned why he lied. I'm concerned with all the things he was not charged with but could have been charged with. This is a man that doesn't serve a country or any president well at all. You would say the fact he lied makes him not a credible witness, but if I understand how such prosecutions work correctly, once you flip and swear to tell the truth or cooperate in the various methods they (may have already gotten him to wear a wire for instance) want, you agree that if you lie again - things get very very bad for you. They have him over a barrel, and I don't think there would be any lawyer out there that would advise a client to continue to be dishonest after taking such a deal. These things happen all the time, and they prove to be very valuable and successful witnesses for crimes.

 

Yes, I am saying there are more serious crimes that Flynn is being let off on. It's from sources I trust. Mueller could renege on the plea deal, but as far as I'm aware that's not how it works. He could renege if Flynn stops cooperating, but also offers no guarantee that Flynn will escape entirely from additional charges being brought. That's intentional and how it should work for something as serious. You might ask, why accept such a plea deal then, if it still leaves the door open for Mueller to bring heavier charges in later? I believe that this was the best outcome a lawyer could get for his client - he had no other options left. It's to Flynn's advantage to comply and hope that such compliance brings mercy.

 

 I did not say that we will need a SP at every single election - but we also should not fear one IF there is a President, or individuals surrounding the President that are doing very bad things. We have a democracy, a process, and a country to safeguard. We investigated Clinton and Nixon, no doubt the R's would have desired Mrs Clinton to have her time in the barrel too (something I'm not opposed to either). But SP's have also been assigned to investigate lots of things during various administrations... it's not so uncommon, you know? Sometimes they find big things, and sometimes they don't. We will find out.

My only point is that during a plea bargain, don’t they have to put on the record the other crimes Flynn is being exonerated from?  If the prosecutors are holding this over his head in the hopes that he implicates someone else and if he doesn’t then they will go further it really sounds like blackmail to me.  As to Mueller, sure he has a lot of respect from those inside Washington, but he also has a lot of glaring conflicts of interest that I would have expected someone with his reputation to take action on.  Do I trust lawyers, not a chance, I have met too many of them and as to those that are well connected within Washington, this is an even bigger reason not to trust them.  Then we start hearing about top FBI investigators showing their political biases, but still being allowed to head up critical investigations and I can see what people say when they describe Washington as a swamp.

 

Regardless, we have what we have and I suspect they will find some additional process crimes in the near future and they may even take on the Logan Act again even thought the precedence is from 1852.