What is wrong with the Egyptian gov't.???!!!!!

[mybackpages 0]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

Fraud couples can write emails, make phone calls, take wedding pictures etc. it's not the the evidence you have, but how its presented.

Edited April 23, 2007 by mybackpages

[mybackpages 0]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

There have been more than a few confirmed fraud cases where the foreign beneficiary's entire family took part in the deception. Some have been detailed on this site. One case involved a woman who flew to a Muslim country to marry her love. The family rolled out the red carpet, including a big wedding party. She had pics taken with mom and dad and brothers and sisters -- everyone was so kind to her, and made her the center of attention.

Well, she returned to the U.S. to file for a spousal visa, and the case eventually made it to the consulate. After a very long delay for unexplained reasons, the case was returned to USCIS. Only then did the American woman learn the reason for the return: her "husband" was ineligible for a visa because he already had a wife, and 2 children to boot. She had absolutely no idea -- he and his family had completely concealed it from her. It was devastating for this woman, and I don't know if she will ever trust anyone again.

I am in no way insinuating that your family would do such an awful thing. But the consulate has seen such cases all too often, and it's their job to ferret out fraud. Pics with the family are good -- most legitimate couples are able to present them -- but pics are not irrefutable evidence of sincerity. The consulate will look at your entire case, and they not only look at what you offer as "proof," but also focus on anything that looks "out of place" according to their parameters. A quick marriage after a very short relationship has been named again and again as reason for returning a case. We have seen many heartbroken couples who got hit with this.

So we're just saying -- don't make it easy for the consulate to find something to question. One of the best ways to show that your relationship is genuine and sincere is to show that it's endured for longer than just a few months.

-MK

excellent post MK!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

Fraud couples can write emails, make phone calls, take wedding pictures etc. it's not the the evidence you have, but how its presented.

I'd need for this to be expanded on this a bit because you may be on to something. While I know that the idea is to present evidence upon filing, we know that that doesn't always work, while some have a 10 minute interview consisting of a couple of questions, a lot of smiles, followed by a visa in a few days when they didn't embellish their petition at all. I don't see a pattern. If you do, God bless you! Please share.

[bigman 0]

dont know really what i do , but i guess the COs is just normal persons like us and can face such sitiuations in thier marriages or its wrong? i know more couples got married after short time and no one can comment about that after the Legall marriage , the Legal is Legal

[mybackpages 0]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

Fraud couples can write emails, make phone calls, take wedding pictures etc. it's not the the evidence you have, but how its presented.

I'd need for this to be expanded on this a bit because you may be on to something. While I know that the idea is to present evidence upon filing, we know that that doesn't always work, while some have a 10 minute interview consisting of a couple of questions, a lot of smiles, followed by a visa in a few days when they didn't embellish their petition at all. I don't see a pattern. If you do, God bless you! Please share.

I will and have wanted to sort thorugh all this on one coherent post, but that will have to wait until i have some time. I'm sure this conversation is going to keep going- we are in MENA after all. for now I can put this much thought out there.

If someone has fraudlent intent to get through this system, they are doing the same research we are. They know what you are support to bring to the consulate for the interview. We know the men, in Morocco for example, talk to each other baout the process. when I was in Morocco, I was asked about the process.

If a case arrives at the consulate, i think it is tagged for suspicion - sometimes these cases are issued the visa anyway because the interview goes well (I do think this is what happened to us) - sometimes the cases are sent back because the suspicion is so high that, when the interview does not go well, there is no amount of emails or phone records that will overcome the burden of proof.

Well meaning couples get caught in this process to catch fraud and soemtime soon i will sort out some room in my brain to think out the post on this!

[mybackpages 0]

dont know really what i do , but i guess the COs is just normal persons like us and can face such sitiuations in thier marriages or its wrong? i know more couples got married after short time and no one can comment about that after the Legall marriage , the Legal is Legal

The american consulate does nothave to give every couple with a legal marriage certificate a visa. A coupel committing fraud can have a legal certificate. The burden of proof is on you as the petitioner for this visa. and when you live in a country consider as high fraud for marriage visas, then the burden is even mor strict to overcome.

You can not let the system make you fearful, you can only educate yourself as to how it works and work within those parameters.

[bigman 0]

what is important in all that is does any one here have experince about whats going on during the interview with CO ,i think its matter all members here fraud or not , its just to help the others to find the right path ,every one know what he/she doing better than others , but our point here to clear some ideas about the Legetime Relationship ,how we can proofe that , till june we will be knowing eachother for 6 months and till our case complete and recived by the embassy here will be more than 1 year , this is not long time??

OR

should we late every thing in our lifes just to proofe something its even will not need to proofe it after legall marriage ?

i just wonder how they can think through fraud matters and let the whole sitiuation of Marriage and love

[bigman 0]

and i have here more than 550 pages Transcript for our daily conversations ,should i print it out to let them read whats going on between us to check its fraud or not lol, crazy thinking though even will not work if the interview is just for 10 or 15 minutes

[peezey 0]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

I don't see the connection or the relevance. Mentally ill people now just need a girlfriend and suddenly they will be well? And Egyptians that can't marry because of economics are going to become mass murderers?

[Jenn! 918]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

I don't see the connection or the relevance. Mentally ill people now just need a girlfriend and suddenly they will be well? And Egyptians that can't marry because of economics are going to become mass murderers?

I was not suggesting that mentally ill people just need to get girlfriends, problem solved, that's obviously ridiculous. And no, I also didn't mean to imply that all unmarried Egyptian men are headed down the road to mass murder, equally ridiculous.

However, I do not think that it is entirely irrelevant.

My comment was in reference to this part of the article.

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger. They cannot afford to marry, yet religion and social custom bar sex outside marriage. They are expected to care for aging family members, yet can scarcely take care of themselves. Financial independence and marriage remain the mark of manhood and social standing, yet it is increasingly difficult to attain. In a part of the world where 60 percent of the population is under 25, this is a social time bomb.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

There have been more than a few confirmed fraud cases where the foreign beneficiary's entire family took part in the deception. Some have been detailed on this site. One case involved a woman who flew to a Muslim country to marry her love. The family rolled out the red carpet, including a big wedding party. She had pics taken with mom and dad and brothers and sisters -- everyone was so kind to her, and made her the center of attention.

Well, she returned to the U.S. to file for a spousal visa, and the case eventually made it to the consulate. After a very long delay for unexplained reasons, the case was returned to USCIS. Only then did the American woman learn the reason for the return: her "husband" was ineligible for a visa because he already had a wife, and 2 children to boot. She had absolutely no idea -- he and his family had completely concealed it from her. It was devastating for this woman, and I don't know if she will ever trust anyone again.

I am in no way insinuating that your family would do such an awful thing. But the consulate has seen such cases all too often, and it's their job to ferret out fraud. Pics with the family are good -- most legitimate couples are able to present them -- but pics are not irrefutable evidence of sincerity. The consulate will look at your entire case, and they not only look at what you offer as "proof," but also focus on anything that looks "out of place" according to their parameters. A quick marriage after a very short relationship has been named again and again as reason for returning a case. We have seen many heartbroken couples who got hit with this.

So we're just saying -- don't make it easy for the consulate to find something to question. One of the best ways to show that your relationship is genuine and sincere is to show that it's endured for longer than just a few months.

-MK

What country was this from.... tell me tell me

[peezey 0]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

I don't see the connection or the relevance. Mentally ill people now just need a girlfriend and suddenly they will be well? And Egyptians that can't marry because of economics are going to become mass murderers?

I was not suggesting that mentally ill people just need to get girlfriends, problem solved, that's obviously ridiculous. And no, I also didn't mean to imply that all unmarried Egyptian men are headed down the road to mass murder, equally ridiculous.

However, I do not think that it is entirely irrelevant.

My comment was in reference to this part of the article.

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger. They cannot afford to marry, yet religion and social custom bar sex outside marriage. They are expected to care for aging family members, yet can scarcely take care of themselves. Financial independence and marriage remain the mark of manhood and social standing, yet it is increasingly difficult to attain. In a part of the world where 60 percent of the population is under 25, this is a social time bomb.

I think this comment in the article is not-so-thinly veiled bullshi!t. "tend toward volitility, radicalism and anger"??? ####### is that? If economically frustrated arab men were all radical, there would be millions more radicals than there are. Half of Morocco would be radical, instead of just a few drug addicts making home made bombs.

There are major economic problems in most parts of the world. Radical religionists are like a cult, the way they recruit and keep their brethren. The comment in this article is just more western blame-gaming rather than taking responsibility for its contribution to this mess.

And I really don't see how any of this has to do with mentally ill Cho.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

what is important in all that is does any one here have experince about whats going on during the interview with CO ,i think its matter all members here fraud or not , its just to help the others to find the right path ,every one know what he/she doing better than others , but our point here to clear some ideas about the Legetime Relationship ,how we can proofe that , till june we will be knowing eachother for 6 months and till our case complete and recived by the embassy here will be more than 1 year , this is not long time??

OR

should we late every thing in our lifes just to proofe something its even will not need to proofe it after legall marriage ?

i just wonder how they can think through fraud matters and let the whole sitiuation of Marriage and love

OK. Read what we have written again, and give it some time to sink in.

We are not saying that you can't be legitimate. We are saying that the consulate will be looking for cracks in your case. And marriage just days after the first meeting, following a very short relationship (especially where marriage was agreed upon very early in the game) is one of the reasons that consulates cite in returning cases. And that can mean a very long delay with appeals, etc. We have married couples here who had to endure 2 or more years of agonizing separation because of a returned case. You sure don't want that.

You are not only getting married; you will be requesting permission to immigrate to America, with all the rights conferred to a permanent resident, based on that marriage. This means you are under a specific burden of proof to show that your marriage is not fraudulent.

So. We are saying: taking your time will HELP your case, not hurt it. You two have your whole lives ahead of you. Marriage is a serious thing, and it's not all romance and sweet words over the internet. It's real life and it's hard work, and the thrill of the honeymoon and that racing pulse doesn't last forever. Taking a few more months or even a year to make sure that this is no passing infatuation, and this is the really person you want to spend the rest of your life with -- this is not silly or illogical or putting your life on hold. It's called being wise. There is a saying -- "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." If you really love this woman, and want the best life together, then take it slow. Don't rush it. If it's right, it will endure the test of a little more time. Finally, taking that extra time will only help you at the consulate stage.

-MK

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

There have been more than a few confirmed fraud cases where the foreign beneficiary's entire family took part in the deception. Some have been detailed on this site. One case involved a woman who flew to a Muslim country to marry her love. The family rolled out the red carpet, including a big wedding party. She had pics taken with mom and dad and brothers and sisters -- everyone was so kind to her, and made her the center of attention.

Well, she returned to the U.S. to file for a spousal visa, and the case eventually made it to the consulate. After a very long delay for unexplained reasons, the case was returned to USCIS. Only then did the American woman learn the reason for the return: her "husband" was ineligible for a visa because he already had a wife, and 2 children to boot. She had absolutely no idea -- he and his family had completely concealed it from her. It was devastating for this woman, and I don't know if she will ever trust anyone again.

I am in no way insinuating that your family would do such an awful thing. But the consulate has seen such cases all too often, and it's their job to ferret out fraud. Pics with the family are good -- most legitimate couples are able to present them -- but pics are not irrefutable evidence of sincerity. The consulate will look at your entire case, and they not only look at what you offer as "proof," but also focus on anything that looks "out of place" according to their parameters. A quick marriage after a very short relationship has been named again and again as reason for returning a case. We have seen many heartbroken couples who got hit with this.

So we're just saying -- don't make it easy for the consulate to find something to question. One of the best ways to show that your relationship is genuine and sincere is to show that it's endured for longer than just a few months.

-MK

What country was this from.... tell me tell me

I would rather not, as I do not want people to get the impression that it's only people from this country who are the problem, or that if their SO is from another country then it can't happen to them.

BTW this country is not considered one of the "high-fraud" ones.

Edited April 23, 2007 by wife_of_mahmoud

[doodlebug 3]

I think this comment in the article is not-so-thinly veiled bullshi!t. "tend toward volitility, radicalism and anger"??? ####### is that? If economically frustrated arab men were all radical, there would be millions more radicals than there are. Half of Morocco would be radical, instead of just a few drug addicts making home made bombs.

There are major economic problems in most parts of the world. Radical religionists are like a cult, the way they recruit and keep their brethren. The comment in this article is just more western blame-gaming rather than taking responsibility for its contribution to this mess.

And I really don't see how any of this has to do with mentally ill Cho.

Why must you jump down everyone's throat lately? What's the deal?

[peezey 0]

I think this comment in the article is not-so-thinly veiled bullshi!t. "tend toward volitility, radicalism and anger"??? ####### is that? If economically frustrated arab men were all radical, there would be millions more radicals than there are. Half of Morocco would be radical, instead of just a few drug addicts making home made bombs.

There are major economic problems in most parts of the world. Radical religionists are like a cult, the way they recruit and keep their brethren. The comment in this article is just more western blame-gaming rather than taking responsibility for its contribution to this mess.

And I really don't see how any of this has to do with mentally ill Cho.

Why must you jump down everyone's throat lately? What's the deal?

I haven't posted for weeks until yesterday but nice try. You want to continue the racist ####### that's portrayed in that article, then go for it, but I can't stand it. I also can't stand any insinuation that marriage or sex leads to happiness over radicalism. And Cho was mentally ill, so getting some pus!y certainly wasn't going to change that, and the implication that it would is ridiculous.

Edited April 23, 2007 by peezey