What is wrong with the Egyptian gov't.???!!!!!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

my love will come to egypt in june to marry, what we should do if this problem didnt fixed till june?

If she is Muslim you can at least get married Islamically and then file for K-1 and when you can get to the US, if you're approved for a K-1, then you just get the civil marriage in the US.

If she isn't Muslim, then you just wait til you're approved for K-1 and go to the US to get married, or perhaps you could both go to another country around Egypt somewhere and get married.

just an afterthought........you did read this didn't you?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...&page=terms

specifically:

By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using the Service, you will not:

Condone or instruct, either directly or indirectly, others on how to commit fraudulent or illegal immigration activities in any way, shape, manner or method.

Just spitballin' here but if they aren't officially married after this wedding at the mosque, why on earth is the suggestion of filing for a K-1 an example of condoning the committment of an illegal activity??? The US does not recognize the marriage so legally they are not married, so, duh, they file a K-1. Many have done this successfully with the consulate being fully aware of the wedding in the mosque.

My original point was that to call paper marriages "Islamic marriage" and advise people it's ok to do them when they lend validity to NOTHING in Islam and they lend validity to NOTHING in immigration is a no no. If you aren't really married, you shouldn't claim you are before God, nor before the USCIS. To do either is misleading to the faith and to those going thru the the immigration process. Yet, there are posts on this thread saying it's no big deal, including the above quote, when we know that it is a matter of hit and miss re a visa. Not everyone is successful getting by with it.

Urfi "marriages" subtract from the couple, especially from the woman, socially, spiritually, ecominically. It reduces her rights bestowed by God, and her ability to adjudicate them under the law. AND, if she truly believes she is married, as some have said, she is lying before God and man when she applies for a K1 instead of a CR1 or K3. Yet, people are seriously recommending half-azz "marriages" to others here. For what? Getting jiggy at a hotel?

Islam is not Catholisim, folks; you do not get to confess away your sins to Jesus when you're through committing them, particularly if you are entering knowingly into sin. If your man has enough respect for you, he will marry you unambiguously, then you can return and file a K3 or CR1. If not, you have settled all the way around, and come home to "lie" about your "marriage" while filing a K1. What are the benefits of that? What kind of person would advise anyone that it's ok to do?

So, the question that should be asked is "Why is this so hard to understand?"

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

yep, but we know eery thing about each other we online daily for more than 5 hours since january , we are not in hurry but just think about the cost of the trip from US to egypt and why we dont use it well if she cant aford another trip again , i know its maybe looks fruad to the CO but for us not at all, we talk in phone also and send letters to eachother and when she will come here to egypt we will stay with my family ,i cant see any thing fraud in that ,but its good to hear your openion all about this sitiuation since we dont know any thing about such immigration lawas.

I hear what you're saying and I'm sure you both have the very best intentions for each other. But you do have to look at this through the eyes of the consulate, because that's who ultimately will be deciding on whether you are legit or not. Longer-established relationships are more convincing than shorter ones. Marrying or getting engaged very quickly after meeting for the first time, especially after a very short relationship, is a big big red flag.

So keep this in mind as you make your decisions. As I said, you can use this first trip in June to get to know each other in person. You don't have to file immediately -- you have up to 2 years after meeting in person. (Not that you have to wait the whole 2 years, but you can slow your roll a bit.) This extra time will not only help you two to really get to know each other better, but it will also serve as evidence to the consulate that you did not rush into things. Remember: the consulate sees fraudulent relationships all the time. They focus on particular factors. Don't give them more to question about your relationship, but rather less.

Good luck !

-MK

[mybackpages 0]

i know such documents can be like emails and letters and phone bills , but what about daily converstaions in yahoo msnger we keep all our conversations since we met by luck from the msnger Archive , its more documents though ,does it make strong proofe to the CO ???

IMO- its not just the piles of evidence you can show, but how the evidence is presented. In the application for the K-1 visa, the USC must answer a question to explain how the couple met. This shoudl be answered in such a manner to clearly show the development of a legitimate relationship. Address any red flags that may raise suspicion in a clear logical and brief manner .

[Sofiyya 1,687]

yep, but we know eery thing about each other we online daily for more than 5 hours since january , we are not in hurry but just think about the cost of the trip from US to egypt and why we dont use it well if she cant aford another trip again , i know its maybe looks fruad to the CO but for us not at all, we talk in phone also and send letters to eachother and when she will come here to egypt we will stay with my family ,i cant see any thing fraud in that ,but its good to hear your openion all about this sitiuation since we dont know any thing about such immigration lawas.

Brother, trust me. You don't know everything about each other in 4 months, or 6 months. No one does. Take your time, it will pay off in the end.

[bigman 0]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

[Sofiyya 1,687]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

So did my husband and I. That won't matter to the CO.

[mybackpages 0]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

So did my husband and I. That won't matter to the CO.

I disagree. I think the circumstances of meeting are very important and the particular details of how you meet do make a difference. Of course it does NOT mean your realitionship is more real because it was a Muslim matrimonal site or a yahoo chat room. (and that is probably what GEG was saying) so now i am jsut rambling

[bigman 0]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

So did my husband and I. That won't matter to the CO.

and for how long u get to know eachother before marriage,sorry if i am asking such question but just for clear my idead?

[doodlebug 3]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

So did my husband and I. That won't matter to the CO.

I thought your husband is Christian? Why on earth would he be on a Muslim Matremonial site?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

yeah i got what you saying , but i think its maybe will be diffrent if they know that we met online on website for Muslims Matremonials (esp for marriage) this is the point for any one join to this website to find life partner, (we didnt met in CHAT rooms) .

So did my husband and I. That won't matter to the CO.

I thought your husband is Christian? Why on earth would he be on a Muslim Matremonial site?

My deceased husband was Christian. My current husband is Muslim.

[bigman 0]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

If we knew the answer to that, we'd be uber geniuses.

[bigman 0]

so, what i understand now is if we going to Orfi marriage and apply for k1 visa this will not be FRAUD and the legall marriage become fraud in thier eyes in such case coz the short time ,who can belive such things this days

[Sofiyya 1,687]

so, what i understand now is if we going to Orfi marriage and apply for k1 visa this will not be FRAUD and the legall marriage become fraud in thier eyes in such case coz the short time ,who can belive such things this days

We don't know how they discern fraud. We just know they're looking for it, no matter what you do.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

i dont really know what the CO can think about fraud matters after showing him our wedding photos and photos for ALL my family with us , just think for moment ..how u think its fraud with such things?

There have been more than a few confirmed fraud cases where the foreign beneficiary's entire family took part in the deception. Some have been detailed on this site. One case involved a woman who flew to a Muslim country to marry her love. The family rolled out the red carpet, including a big wedding party. She had pics taken with mom and dad and brothers and sisters -- everyone was so kind to her, and made her the center of attention.

Well, she returned to the U.S. to file for a spousal visa, and the case eventually made it to the consulate. After a very long delay for unexplained reasons, the case was returned to USCIS. Only then did the American woman learn the reason for the return: her "husband" was ineligible for a visa because he already had a wife, and 2 children to boot. She had absolutely no idea -- he and his family had completely concealed it from her. It was devastating for this woman, and I don't know if she will ever trust anyone again.

I am in no way insinuating that your family would do such an awful thing. But the consulate has seen such cases all too often, and it's their job to ferret out fraud. Pics with the family are good -- most legitimate couples are able to present them -- but pics are not irrefutable evidence of sincerity. The consulate will look at your entire case, and they not only look at what you offer as "proof," but also focus on anything that looks "out of place" according to their parameters. A quick marriage after a very short relationship has been named again and again as reason for returning a case. We have seen many heartbroken couples who got hit with this.

So we're just saying -- don't make it easy for the consulate to find something to question. One of the best ways to show that your relationship is genuine and sincere is to show that it's endured for longer than just a few months.

-MK