What is wrong with the Egyptian gov't.???!!!!!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

really i can't understand why some of members here are challenge each others in some issues and let the basic problem , plz any one have helpfull idea it will be appricated in such sitiuation ,this is the point from all this Posts , NO?????

It's not at all unusual for us to engage in discussions that encompass more than simply offering advice.

What do you want to know, exactly, my brother?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

No one says you need to get laid when things are going well for you. The problem is, getting laid can often lead to problems in the MENA if you're not married to the one you're laying with.

[Aymerlu 3]

My husband also knows a man that worked in the embassy and he said they are very well aware of the contract marriages and they don't question them at all.

It's not true that they are not questioned. With all due respect, if you have a husband, why are you filing for a K1?

Jasmine's husband has been in the U.S since around August I think. That's why she refers to him as her husband.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

In Egypt, the religious establishment is waging a war of morality against couples who take matters into their own hands by opting for urfi—a common-law marriage that sidesteps the costs of standard marriage and serves as a cover for premarital sex. Meanwhile, growing numbers of young men are opting out—literally—by emigrating to Europe or other countries where they hope to find jobs and build nest eggs. Most say they plan to return home, one day. Many never do.

For the most part, U.S. and European policymakers have ignored this marriage gap. And yet, it is one of the decisive trends shaping the region. "Those youths in the streets of Beirut are not just fighting for political change," says Mazen Younes. "They are asking about their own future."

That part of the article I saw as extremely relevent to this particular discussion.

[bigman 0]

i am just ask about what is our options in case still this problem not fixed by june , its important matter for us here as u all know about egyptian families ,cant stay without marriage ,should we make it later ,i mean advice her dont come in june or what ,i cant really think good after all this posts makes me thinking in many diffrent ways,just all , sorry if i am some nervous but what i do ,i just liked to know what any one can do in such sitiuation like what we have now.

thanks so much

[Jenn! 918]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

No one says you need to get laid when things are going well for you. The problem is, getting laid can often lead to problems in the MENA if you're not married to the one you're laying with.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

Ok, replace girlfriend with wife.

[cbd2cai 0]

Young men stranded between tradition and modernity tend toward volatility, radicalism and anger.

Interesting article. The other day a friend of ours was over and we were talking about the VA Tech shooting, and he said that Cho, not unlike the suicide bombers of the world, just needed to get a girlfriend. I sort of dismissed the comment as being a joke, but after reading this article, I think he may be on to something.

No one says you need to get laid when things are going well for you. The problem is, getting laid can often lead to problems in the MENA if you're not married to the one you're laying with.

And that is a HUGE problem. Anyone hear about the 17 yr old girl for the UK, who fell in love with an Egyptian while on vacation? Then she ran away from home to be with him, but he was already married and said he was no longer interested. THEN she fell in love with another Egyptian who worked in the internet cafe where she had gone. He wants to marry her!!! The latest news I heard was that he got arrested for adultery, oh my!!!

UKTeenrRunsAwaytoEgypt

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

i am just ask about what is our options in case still this problem not fixed by june , its important matter for us here as u all know about egyptian families ,cant stay without marriage ,should we make it later ,i mean advice her dont come in june or what ,i cant really think good after all this posts makes me thinking in many diffrent ways,just all , sorry if i am some nervous but what i do ,i just liked to know what any one can do in such sitiuation like what we have now.

thanks so much

OK.... if the problem is not resolved, your options are:

1. Get engaged and file for a K-1 visa. (You must have met in person within the preceding 2 years to file this petition.... so either she has to visit you, or you have to visit her, or you have to meet in a 3rd country)

2. Go to a 3rd country that will allow you to marry, do so there, and then file for the K-3 or CR-1.

3. Put everything on hold until the two governments figure out a solution

4. Forget about getting married to each other

(I think #4 is not something you would consider, but these are the only 4 options you have.)

Best of luck to you both in figuring out what is right for you.

-MK

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You could get engaged after she comes and start work on a K1 application. However, be careful to document everything - to the COs. 4 months can be too short a time to know each other before being engaged.

[mybackpages 0]

You could get engaged after she comes and start work on a K1 application. However, be careful to document everything - to the COs. 4 months can be too short a time to know each other before being engaged.

Just to stress this point. Consulates do raise suspicion about quick engagements. Start documenting the relationship now and go back and find all your documention since you met.

[doodlebug 3]

my love will come to egypt in june to marry, what we should do if this problem didnt fixed till june?

If she is Muslim you can at least get married Islamically and then file for K-1 and when you can get to the US, if you're approved for a K-1, then you just get the civil marriage in the US.

If she isn't Muslim, then you just wait til you're approved for K-1 and go to the US to get married, or perhaps you could both go to another country around Egypt somewhere and get married.

just an afterthought........you did read this didn't you?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...&page=terms

specifically:

By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using the Service, you will not:

Condone or instruct, either directly or indirectly, others on how to commit fraudulent or illegal immigration activities in any way, shape, manner or method.

Just spitballin' here but if they aren't officially married after this wedding at the mosque, why on earth is the suggestion of filing for a K-1 an example of condoning the committment of an illegal activity??? The US does not recognize the marriage so legally they are not married, so, duh, they file a K-1. Many have done this successfully with the consulate being fully aware of the wedding in the mosque.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Bigman said they had know each other 4 months, but that she wouldn't be coming until June. This would mean they will have known each other 33 % longer -- 6 months -- by then

But I agree, it's still not a very long-established relationship. My personal opinion is that it would be prudent to get to know each other a bit longer before making a decision to embark on something as serious as marriage. I know trips to foreign countries are kind of expensive for your average person -- but entering into a marriage in a hurry, only to find that it was a big mistake, can be far more expensive, both financially and emotionally.

Nothing wrong with taking your time. Maybe postpone the trip until later this year. Or use this first trip in June to get acquainted in person, but take some more time moving to the engagement phase. You don't have to file immediately after meeting. You can take your time to think it over carefully. Haste makes waste !

And I agree Doodle... that remark about fraud was totally uncalled-for. I don't think Melly was suggesting anything of the sort. Regardless of how one feels about the pros and cons of urfi marriage, it is not necessarily a vehicle for visa fraud.

-MK

[bigman 0]

yep, but we know eery thing about each other we online daily for more than 5 hours since january , we are not in hurry but just think about the cost of the trip from US to egypt and why we dont use it well if she cant aford another trip again , i know its maybe looks fruad to the CO but for us not at all, we talk in phone also and send letters to eachother and when she will come here to egypt we will stay with my family ,i cant see any thing fraud in that ,but its good to hear your openion all about this sitiuation since we dont know any thing about such immigration lawas.

[mybackpages 0]

Bigman said they had know each other 4 months, but that she wouldn't be coming until June. This would mean they will have known each other 33 % longer -- 6 months -- by then

But I agree, it's still not a very long-established relationship. My personal opinion is that it would be prudent to get to know each other a bit longer before making a decision to embark on something as serious as marriage. I know trips to foreign countries are kind of expensive for your average person -- but entering into a marriage in a hurry, only to find that it was a big mistake, can be far more expensive, both financially and emotionally.

I think a quick engagement while with the foreign fiance/spouse for the first time is not always a problem. The trick is to have long established a legitimate relationship before going too. I know going through Casa, this is essential, maybe Cairo is less strict because they take much longer from the arrival of the petition to the date of the interview.

I would suggest start documenting now and then document like crazy while in Egypt and keep documenting upon returning from Egypt. If the USC goes through CSC for the K-1, then there will be an additonal 6-8 months after the first visit before the interview. If a second trip can be done before the interview this will be really a strong statement for your case also.

[bigman 0]

i know such documents can be like emails and letters and phone bills , but what about daily converstaions in yahoo msnger we keep all our conversations since we met by luck from the msnger Archive , its more documents though ,does it make strong proofe to the CO ???