Canvassers for Dem-tied group charged in voter registration fraud scheme

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

4 hours ago, jg121783 said:

That is interesting but we are talking about the last election. However I did forget about some meddling from another country that actually did happen. George Soros played a huge role in the election for the democrats and he is from another country. So I guess there was meddling from another country although it is not from a foreign government but rather an individual.

George Soros is a US citizen. He is just as entitled to be apart of the elections as the koch brothers.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

It depends on how you define severity.  From what we know about the whole meddling issue, it just enveiled some dirty laundry from the DNC, by all accounts, they also tried to infiltrate the RNC as well, but were not successful.  This other item could lead to people trying to directly influence an actual vote.

A young lady is going to prison for leaking documents that show the Russian government at least attempted to breach our election systems. Just the fact that they have raised havoc with our system is meddling. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

46 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

The only foreign meddling in the election that can be proven is by George Soros (who also incited violence after the election). If anyone can prove there was any other meddling by a foreign government I would like to see some evidence. Otherwise we can stop talking about Russian conspiracy theories.

Sounds like all this Russia talk is getting under your skin. What is you opinION of the leaked NSA documents which outline the spearfishing campaign?

[IAMX 3,055]

5 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

So we need to get to the bottom of the whole meddling accusations, but this is a non issue that should be ignored?  I guess it is fine for Americans to meddle with the election.

 

Need some new investigations.

[IAMX 3,055]

9 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Sounds like all this Russia talk is getting under your skin. What is you opinION of the leaked NSA documents which outline the spearfishing campaign?

Spear phishing is akin to hacking/meddling like billboards and advertising is akin to robbery/coercion. 

[Dashinka 25,881]

2 hours ago, ccneat said:

A young lady is going to prison for leaking documents that show the Russian government at least attempted to breach our election systems. Just the fact that they have raised havoc with our system is meddling. 

I think she may go to jail for purposefully leaking top secret information.  Apparently, unlike the DNC candidate, they may be able to show intent.  The contents of what she leaked is irrelevant to the letter of the law.

[Dashinka 25,881]

2 hours ago, ccneat said:

George Soros is a US citizen. He is just as entitled to be apart of the elections as the koch brothers.

What about all those from the foreign press?  

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

Spear phishing is akin to hacking/meddling like billboards and advertising is akin to robbery/coercion. 

Really. ..type attacks promulgated were quite sophisticated and included sending out fake keycodes by SMS to keep up the ruse that folks were resetting their google account. Nothing unintentional in their approach. They new their target and used well crafted collateral to keep up the ruse. It does not matter how you get a password or key, once you cross the threshold without permission you are committing a crime. 

 

 But it only seems natural in this new morality some seem to embrace: the victim is the perpetrator,  the perpetrator is the victim. The real crime in this world view is not being clever enough to avoid being preyed upon. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think she may go to jail for purposefully leaking top secret information.  Apparently, unlike the DNC candidate, they may be able to show intent.  The contents of what she leaked is irrelevant to the letter of the law.

As she should...but that us water under the bridge. We new know that the hacking was by the Russians and goes deeper than we thought. I would expect the Whitehouse would be concerned about these attacks and be vocal in defending our country , but I'm not surprised.

[IAMX 3,055]

16 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Really. ..type attacks promulgated were quite sophisticated and included sending out fake keycodes by SMS to keep up the ruse that folks were resetting their google account. Nothing unintentional in their approach. They new their target and used well crafted collateral to keep up the ruse. It does not matter how you get a password or key, once you cross the threshold without permission you are committing a crime. 

 

 But it only seems natural in this new morality some seem to embrace: the victim is the perpetrator,  the perpetrator is the victim. The real crime in this world view is not being clever enough to avoid being preyed upon. 

That's a nice story but this is no different than every day spam. It requires the complicity of the so called victim. Far different than hacking or meddling where one compromises systems involuntarily. If people are taught in high school about not clicking email attachments or links and manually going to a site to verify authenticity of sensitive information I guarantee those in upper government or political organizations are as well. Can't prevent stupid. 

Edited June 10, 2017 by IAMX

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, ccneat said:

Maybe if you took the time to define meddling we could figure out what you are looking for. I keep reading on this site that there is zero evidence of   Russian interference in our elections. That is such an obviously false statement that it makes me curious about what drives that thinking.

 

First of all I am not the one who brought up the subject of meddling so ask who ever did to define it. Secondly I keep asking you and others for some evidence of Russian involvement and no one can give me any. If you have some evidence let's have it otherwise you should stop peddling conspiracy theories.

[jg121783 3,921]

35 minutes ago, ccneat said:

As she should...but that us water under the bridge. We new know that the hacking was by the Russians and goes deeper than we thought. I would expect the Whitehouse would be concerned about these attacks and be vocal in defending our country , but I'm not surprised.

And how exactly do we know this? Or are you just hoping this is the case?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

27 minutes ago, IAMX said:

That's a nice story but this is no different than every day spam. It requires the complicity of the so called victim. Far different than hacking or meddling where one compromises systems involuntarily. If people are taught in high school about not clicking email attachments or links and manually going to a site to verify authenticity of sensitive information I guarantee those in upper government or political organizations are as well. Can't prevent stupid. 

Again the victim is the perp.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

16 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

First of all I am not the one who brought up the subject of meddling so ask who ever did to define it. Secondly I keep asking you and others for some evidence of Russian involvement and no one can give me any. If you have some evidence let's have it otherwise you should stop peddling conspiracy theories.

 

6 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

And how exactly do we know this? Or are you just hoping this is the case?

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

51 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

What about all those from the foreign press?  

What about them?