Seattle sues Trump administration over ‘sanctuary cities’ order

[IAMX 3,055]

12 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Not in these United States, federal law can't tell a police officer what to do when it comes to immigration. A Seattle police officer can't arrest someone based on immigration status. That is the job of DHS. 

At minimum when policies of the federal government are that everyone arrested and knowingly illegal are to be handed over to ICE then not following this policy is breaking the law. Furthermore releasing illegals back into the public without notifying the feds is likewise breaking the law. 

 

So if I were Trump I'd not only pull all funds from sanctuary cities but I'd use those funds to increase ICE presence in sanctuary cities, increase the amount of raids, and have special force units devoted to tracking illegals as they are arrested by local law enforcement and to yank them from local courthouses and jails to send them packing where they belong as per the law. 

Edited March 31, 2017 by SRVT

[Transborderwife 4,666]

12 minutes ago, SRVT said:

At minimum when policies of the federal government are that everyone arrested and knowingly illegal are to be handed over to ICE then not following this policy is breaking the law. Furthermore releasing illegals back into the public without notifying the feds is likewise breaking the law. 

 

So if I were Trump I'd not only pull all funds from sanctuary cities but I'd use those funds to increase ICE presence in sanctuary cities, increase the amount of raids, and have special force units devoted to tracking illegals as they are arrested by local law enforcement and to yank them from local courthouses and jails to send them packing where they belong as per the law. 

The way it was explained To me was this by a police officer that I know:

 

you arrest someone on say a DV charge, you take them to jail, you have no or very little ID for them, say a passport.  Say they're Canadian and don't get a stamp at all.  They're in overnight, see the judge in the morning and released ROR.  They're not guilty yet nor do they have formal charges.  Most likely, immigration status was not even checked by the jail by anything more than word of mouth.  If you request to call ICE, then they will.  Otherwise they're released until either found guilty by trial or they go on their merry way as the state doesn't file formal charges.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

24 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Not in these United States, federal law can't tell a police officer what to do when it comes to immigration. A Seattle police officer can't arrest someone based on immigration status. That is the job of DHS. 

But that is different than what California is doing because ICE is not telling police officers to do anything. They are just simple requesting that when an Illegal immigrant is arrested and put on a ICE detainer that they are not then released into the wild. But the new law that State Sen. Leon wants to pass is that the state provides sanctuary for CRIMINAL ILLEGALS no matter what, and do not assist ICE with anything. If ICE wants to find out if a criminal is in that particular jail/prison they then have to get a warrant before the state will do ANYTHING. That to me is crazy at the very least. 

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9 hours ago, ccneat said:

Yes I  understand US contract and grant accounting , FASB and GASB.  

Your first flaw is the definition of Federal Discretionary spending:  look it up. 

You have never written or managed a grant or you would understand the process.

Additionally..the federal portion of city funding is increasingly small.  Many West Coast cities are saying: Thanks but no thanks,

 

You're right I have never wrote or managed a federal grant, but I do understand the process of it.  

 

I said in my post earlier that the federal grants are small yes, but some of these states and cities like California and Los Angeles have come to rely on these grants to help balance out the budgets. This is because they spend so much on pensions and illegals that they don't have alot of money for anything else. So they use that money to cover other things. 

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5 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

But that is different than what California is doing because ICE is not telling police officers to do anything. They are just simple requesting that when an Illegal immigrant is arrested and put on a ICE detainer that they are not then released into the wild. But the new law that State Sen. Leon wants to pass is that the state provides sanctuary for CRIMINAL ILLEGALS no matter what, and do not assist ICE with anything. If ICE wants to find out if a criminal is in that particular jail/prison they then have to get a warrant before the state will do ANYTHING. That to me is crazy at the very least. 

 

This is about Seattle. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 hours ago, Transborderwife said:

I believe that it's the principle that they're suing based on.   Not the end result

I think it's the other way around actually. I think Seattle is pissed because they run the risk of giving up these grants that they have come to rely on and need something to keep them coming. These grants are for things like Homeless, Law Enforcement, and a few others. Because I know on the West Coast the homeless problem in Liberal cities is exploding. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

This is about Seattle. 

I know it's about Seattle but you know Los Angeles/SF even the state are thinking about suing as well. 

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1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I think it's the other way around actually. I think Seattle is pissed because they run the risk of giving up these grants that they have come to rely on and need something to keep them coming. These grants are for things like Homeless, Law Enforcement, and a few others. Because I know on the West Coast the homeless problem in Liberal cities is exploding. 

The homeless problem is an issue in most places.  Here in Florida it's horrible, in New York it's supposedly gotten better but still awful.  Heck, when I lived in Toronto it was absolutely ridiculously bad.  I don't think that it's exclusive to situations such as these.

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smh. the homeless problem in liberal cities. homelessness is a problem in america. and a great deal of those homeless are veterans. l

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, smilesammich said:

smh. the homeless problem in liberal cities. homelessness is a problem in america. and a great deal of those homeless are veterans. l

And that is indeed a problem 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Transborderwife said:

The homeless problem is an issue in most places.  Here in Florida it's horrible, in New York it's supposedly gotten better but still awful.  Heck, when I lived in Toronto it was absolutely ridiculously bad.  I don't think that it's exclusive to situations such as these.

Ever heard of Skid Row? I know it's bad in some places in the US, but out here it's really bad and some of the worst I have ever seen it. They actual tent cities under, above, and in between overpasses and highways. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

smh. the homeless problem in liberal cities. homelessness is a problem in america. and a great deal of those homeless are veterans. l

Yeah I know that trust me I have spoken with a number of them that frequent my area. But the thing with the homelessness in my city of Los Angeles is that they openly allow tent cities and would rather allow it so that they can spend the money on Illegals.

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Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

Ever heard of Skid Row? I know it's bad in some places in the US, but out here it's really bad and some of the worst I have ever seen it. They actual tent cities under, above, and in between overpasses and highways. 

The homeless problem is often attributed in conjunction with the immigration issues and I completely disagree.  I think that we ourselves as a society have created a sub society of untouchables that are fine to help at arms length, but when it comes to actually doing something and acting on it it doesn't happen as much as it should.  We have laws in pinellas county Florida requiring licenses to feed/house/assist the homeless.

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2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Ever heard of Skid Row? I know it's bad in some places in the US, but out here it's really bad and some of the worst I have ever seen it. They actual tent cities under, above, and in between overpasses and highways. 

Is this point about" sanctuary cities?  Do "sanctuary cities" have more homelessness? 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

4 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Is this point about" sanctuary cities?  Do "sanctuary cities" have more homelessness? 

I have already reiterated that point earlier in this thread how a number of "Sanctuary cities" are liberal bastions that would rather spend the money needed on Illegals rather than combating homelessness.

 

http://mynorthwest.com/585014/rantz-city-of-seattle-values-trees-over-your-safety/

Edited March 31, 2017 by cyberfx1024