Minneapolis Muslim Cashiers refuse to scan pork products

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't care if the ones making the stink are Muslim, Jewish or Druids. If the area you live in has a settled way of doing things and a minority is insisting that the majority change to accommodate them then it's wrong. I again point to the stink about religious displays at holidays. 90% of the people have no problem with them but because of the 10% my kids can't sing "Silent Night" at the school Christmas play. How is that fair? That kind of discrimination I have experienced. And I see this as the beginning of a new set of discriminations. Sounding off about it now may fend it off.

You could be right - but they do have those religious freedoms under the constitution. Perhaps that is what has spawned the reverse trend of secular political correctness.

[William33 110]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

Edited March 17, 2007 by William33

[Donna A 4]

doesnt she realize she has already touched it in an indirect way. after all it probaly rubbed up against the other items in the cart so would be the same as touching it when she rang up the other items?

i wonder if she eats at resturants....doesnt she realize that her dinner was cooked on the same grill a piece of pork was cooked on?

i dont care what u do...in the united states u will have had contact some way or another with pork. in a direct way or indirect way...so she is just going to have to get used to it.

[GaryC 7]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable. Except for the Ramadan month the Christian and Muslims live in relative peace. It was hard for me to get a sausage pizza there though.

I don't care if the ones making the stink are Muslim, Jewish or Druids. If the area you live in has a settled way of doing things and a minority is insisting that the majority change to accommodate them then it's wrong. I again point to the stink about religious displays at holidays. 90% of the people have no problem with them but because of the 10% my kids can't sing "Silent Night" at the school Christmas play. How is that fair? That kind of discrimination I have experienced. And I see this as the beginning of a new set of discriminations. Sounding off about it now may fend it off.

You could be right - but they do have those religious freedoms under the constitution. Perhaps that is what has spawned the reverse trend of secular political correctness.

True, they have religious freedoms here. So do I. My right to live the way I want is just as valid as theirs. I am a live and let live kind of person. I respect others beliefs and all I ask is they respect mine.

Edited March 17, 2007 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[William33 110]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable. Except for the Ramadan month the Christian and Muslims live in relative peace. It was hard for me to get a sausage pizza there though.

Yes, you are correct. However, during Ramadan, things can and do get ugly. For example, there exists a group of Sharia Islam practitioners in Jakarta, that go around to the bars frequented by westerners and stir up trouble. To that end, most bars that cater to Westerners, now shut down before 11 pm during Ramadan. I can understand that and can respect it. We must respect local customs and religion.

[GaryC 7]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable. Except for the Ramadan month the Christian and Muslims live in relative peace. It was hard for me to get a sausage pizza there though.

Yes, you are correct. However, during Ramadan, things can and do get ugly. For example, there exists a group of Sharia Islam practitioners in Jakarta, that go around to the bars frequented by westerners and stir up trouble. To that end, most bars that cater to Westerners, now shut down before 11 pm during Ramadan. I can understand that and can respect it. We must respect local customs and religion.

I had one very scary experience there one time. I was there in Dec-Jan 2000-2001 in Jakarta. The hotel called me one day and said I should close my drapes and turn off my lights. It seemed that there were a group of Muslim students going from hotel to hotel looking for westerners. They were trying to force them all to leave. Several people were hurt. I know of one friend that was at a club. Some students came in and lined up all the westerners. They robbed them, beat a few up and trashed the club. Very unnerving.

[William33 110]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable. Except for the Ramadan month the Christian and Muslims live in relative peace. It was hard for me to get a sausage pizza there though.

Yes, you are correct. However, during Ramadan, things can and do get ugly. For example, there exists a group of Sharia Islam practitioners in Jakarta, that go around to the bars frequented by westerners and stir up trouble. To that end, most bars that cater to Westerners, now shut down before 11 pm during Ramadan. I can understand that and can respect it. We must respect local customs and religion.

I had one very scary experience there one time. I was there in Dec-Jan 2000-2001 in Jakarta. The hotel called me one day and said I should close my drapes and turn off my lights. It seemed that there were a group of Muslim students going from hotel to hotel looking for westerners. They were trying to force them all to leave. Several people were hurt. I know of one friend that was at a club. Some students came in and lined up all the westerners. They robbed them, beat a few up and trashed the club. Very unnerving.

In the two years that I lived there, sadly, incidents like that did occur. Although, most of the time it is a peaceful place to live, thus I will retire there, in majority Hindu Bali.

Did you all realize that Indonesia (230 Million) is the 4th largest country by population, just behind the USA (300 million)? Yet, their murder rate is 1/50th of the rate here? Now that is scary.

[Dan J 277]

Why not follow the Indonesian "moderate" Muslim model, where you can buy pork just about anywhere, if you choose. No problem.

Personally, I do not eat pork anymore, out of respect for my wife.

However, in the United States, I would fully expect to buy anything on offer in any store, without someone serving up their beliefs in my face.

To that individual I would say, go ** yourself or go home!

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable. Except for the Ramadan month the Christian and Muslims live in relative peace. It was hard for me to get a sausage pizza there though.

Yes, you are correct. However, during Ramadan, things can and do get ugly. For example, there exists a group of Sharia Islam practitioners in Jakarta, that go around to the bars frequented by westerners and stir up trouble. To that end, most bars that cater to Westerners, now shut down before 11 pm during Ramadan. I can understand that and can respect it. We must respect local customs and religion.

I had one very scary experience there one time. I was there in Dec-Jan 2000-2001 in Jakarta. The hotel called me one day and said I should close my drapes and turn off my lights. It seemed that there were a group of Muslim students going from hotel to hotel looking for westerners. They were trying to force them all to leave. Several people were hurt. I know of one friend that was at a club. Some students came in and lined up all the westerners. They robbed them, beat a few up and trashed the club. Very unnerving.

In the two years that I lived there, sadly, incidents like that did occur. Although, most of the time it is a peaceful place to live, thus I will retire there, in majority Hindu Bali.

Did you all realize that Indonesia (230 Million) is the 4th largest country by population, just behind the USA (300 million)? Yet, their murder rate is 1/50th of the rate here? Now that is scary.

Not to mention, a much higher population density as well. The island of Java has 124 million in an area about the size of the State of Mississippi.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable.

I've been to the US many times, and for a Christian dominated country, they are reasonable.

It's interesting to note that the word "Sharia" is bandied about as if the poster knows what they are talking about. I'll bet no non-Muslim on this thread can explain sharia in any knowledgable terms.

[GaryC 7]

I have been to Indonesia many times and for a Muslim dominated country they are reasonable.

I've been to the US many times, and for a Christian dominated country, they are reasonable.

It's interesting to note that the word "Sharia" is bandied about as if the poster knows what they are talking about. I'll bet no non-Muslim on this thread can explain sharia in any knowledgable terms.

Thank you. I am glad you find us reasonable.

[caybee 21]

There is at least one county in the Southern U.S. (personal knowledge -- there are probably others) where it is prohibited to sell most retail items, except for groceries and a few other things, before 1:30 pm on Sundays. Wal-Mart does not open before that time; they'd have to rope off 90% of the store, in addition to the beer and wine section, which already stays cordoned off all day on Sundays. That's not the decision of the business. It's the law. In the specific case I'm referring to, state law already prohibits employees from being forced to work before 1:30 pm on Sundays, so this county law is not simply protecting them. I'm a Christian, but how is this not one religion legislating its own beliefs?

Edited March 17, 2007 by mona_jamie

[caybee 21]

Too late to edit... Of course, not all Christians observe Sunday as their Sabbath or day of rest. So this is a law imposed by a subset of Christians on the rest of the population of the county.

There is at least one county in the Southern U.S. (personal knowledge -- there are probably others) where it is prohibited to sell most retail items, except for groceries and a few other things, before 1:30 pm on Sundays. Wal-Mart does not open before that time; they'd have to rope off 90% of the store, in addition to the beer and wine section, which already stays cordoned off all day on Sundays. That's not the decision of the business. It's the law. In the specific case I'm referring to, state law already prohibits employees from being forced to work before 1:30 pm on Sundays, so this county law is not simply protecting them. I'm a Christian, but how is this not one religion legislating its own beliefs?

Edited March 17, 2007 by mona_jamie

[keltic 1]

i remember going to a wendy's once and asking for bar-b-q sauce - when i drove up to the counter, the guy working it was some bengali guy. he gave me the bar-b-q sauce, and seeing that i was muslim thought he'd tell me that the sauce had 'something' in it and it was haram (forbidden, much like pork - usually when someone says a certain food item is 'haram', the reason is because it has pork or a pork byproduct in the ingredients). i asked him what exactly was in the sauce that was 'haram'. he didn't know. that wasn't good enough for me, i took my sauce and was on my way.

a few days later, back at the same wendy's, i have the displeasure of having him fill my order again. now he tells me 'oh man, i told you it was haram'. i told him that i needed to know why - and since he didn't know, that really wasn't good enough. so now, since he's bent on saving my soul from hell and can't phathom the thought that i continue to eat this sauce - he tells me the sauce is 25 cents.

completely insulted - insulted at the fact that he is attempting to prevent me for eating this sauce for no good reason (or not good enough) - and hiss means of prevention is trying to scare me off by telling me it's 25 cents. it wasn't his job. his job is to serve me food. regardless of what i order. i almost wanted to order all the bacon in the store just to give him an annuyeurism. nevertheless, went to his manager, chewed him out, got my sauce.

later learned he would do this to other customers who tried to order this sauce and he believed they were muslims - needless to say, he didn't work there much longer.

from wendys website:

Barbecue Nuggets Sauce

High Fructose Corn Syrup, Tomato Paste, Water, Distilled Vinegar, Molasses, Salt, Modified Food Starch, Torula Yeast, Natural Smoke Flavor, Spices, Onion, Sodium Benzoate (preservative), Garlic Powder.

it might not be healthy for you, but is any of this haram?

seriously, im asking... i dont know

if you have a problem (religious or political) with what your company does or sells - you shouldn't be working there! and they shouldn't have to accomodate you either. get another job, and they can find another employee.

i agree... in my line of work, there are often parts of your job that might conflict with your personal views... if you know there is a chance that you would have to be a part of something that you dont support, then its a choice you make when you accept the job...

*to clarify, working in an intensive care setting, there are times where a patient (in my case, babies) are on ventilators and other support... there is a wide range of possibilities for resuscitation, such as medications, ventilation, compressions, etc... parents may choose to have EVERYTHING done, parts of the options done, or none of it... and parents may also choose to disconnect any life supporting measures... this is something that any nurse that chooses to work there is aware of and must accept the fact that one day, he/she might have to assist regardless of their personal convictions... then in other areas of the womens care medical field, nurses that take jobs in that unit must also be prepared to deal with abortion issues

[mybackpages 0]

So you think I should be more grateful to the Christians?

Definitely. Who built this country -- Jews, Christians, Muslims or Atheists?

i think slaves from africa and illegal immigrants from mexico built the country.

NM

Edited March 17, 2007 by mybackpages

[mybackpages 0]

I don't care if the ones making the stink are Muslim, Jewish or Druids. If the area you live in has a settled way of doing things and a minority is insisting that the majority change to accommodate them then it's wrong. I again point to the stink about religious displays at holidays. 90% of the people have no problem with them but because of the 10% my kids can't sing "Silent Night" at the school Christmas play. How is that fair? That kind of discrimination I have experienced. And I see this as the beginning of a new set of discriminations. Sounding off about it now may fend it off.

I know you know Gary, that this part of your argument is about the first amendment- the establishment clause and the question of how tangled can government be with religion. And if the interpretation of the law is that schools can not favor religion through holiday displays and programs, then it is VERY FAIR and in fact the LAW. The majority mght disagree and feel insulted, but you can not get more fair than the law.