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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Rwanda
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When I browse through these topics it seems like most people who are petitioning for an African beneficiary are married/engaged to someone from their home country, which has a different set of issues (although we still have some things in common... like the wait!). Who else is an American citizen without African heritage, petitioning for an African national? (Or has finished the process?) I'd love to share experiences.

I guess it's fairly unusual for a Rwandese to marry an American, based on reactions from government officials... I'm a little worried about how the interview will go. Not sure if it is an American employee or a Rwandan one who will conduct the interview. It seems like some Rwandese are a little suspicious of the situation and don't believe Americans take marriage very seriously, so I'm afraid they might really grill my husband for details if his interviewer is Rwandan. And for that reason I wonder if he should not choose to do his interview in the local language (it says they can choose one of three languages). Maybe if he asks for English they'll give him an easier time.

12/14 Met at work in Rwanda

2/21/15 Became a couple

11/19/15 Married

11/23/15 I left Rwanda 

12/30/15 Mailed I-130

1/06/16 NOA1

5/03/16 NOA2!

5/06/16 NVC received case

5/20/16 Case number assigned

5/23/16 Email from NVC with case number

5/23/16 Choice of Agent filled out, AOS fee invoiced and paid

5/31/16 Called NVC, reviewed I-261 over the phone

6/02/16 IV bill invoiced and paid

7/28/16 Finally! All police clearances and birth certificate received; mailed IV and AOS; filed I-260

8/04/16 Official scan date (tracking shows "delivered" the day before)

8/15/16 Visiting my husband! 10 days

9/01/16 Received checklist in error, claiming our application was on hold because of a waiver application we never filed

9/02/16 Sent for supervisor review, six week timeframe given

9/13/16 Sent for "document review", whatever that is, told the timeframe is now indefinite

9/20/16 Contacted US Representative Adam Smith's office for assistance (WA)

9/26/16 3 N/As and Case Complete!

11/14/16 Interview: approved pending medical! (Vaccines hadn't been available)

11/19/16 Visa received in passport

12/09/16 POE Seattle

03/06/17 Green card received (address changed after POE, no problem)

5/2017 Our baby is due

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Rwanda
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There are always issues involved in immigration, aren't there? But many of them are different for people from the same vs different cultural/ethnic backgrounds.

12/14 Met at work in Rwanda

2/21/15 Became a couple

11/19/15 Married

11/23/15 I left Rwanda 

12/30/15 Mailed I-130

1/06/16 NOA1

5/03/16 NOA2!

5/06/16 NVC received case

5/20/16 Case number assigned

5/23/16 Email from NVC with case number

5/23/16 Choice of Agent filled out, AOS fee invoiced and paid

5/31/16 Called NVC, reviewed I-261 over the phone

6/02/16 IV bill invoiced and paid

7/28/16 Finally! All police clearances and birth certificate received; mailed IV and AOS; filed I-260

8/04/16 Official scan date (tracking shows "delivered" the day before)

8/15/16 Visiting my husband! 10 days

9/01/16 Received checklist in error, claiming our application was on hold because of a waiver application we never filed

9/02/16 Sent for supervisor review, six week timeframe given

9/13/16 Sent for "document review", whatever that is, told the timeframe is now indefinite

9/20/16 Contacted US Representative Adam Smith's office for assistance (WA)

9/26/16 3 N/As and Case Complete!

11/14/16 Interview: approved pending medical! (Vaccines hadn't been available)

11/19/16 Visa received in passport

12/09/16 POE Seattle

03/06/17 Green card received (address changed after POE, no problem)

5/2017 Our baby is due

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Nigeria
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We are a mixed race couple. Other than an a bad first K1 experience the rest was ok. Yes people on both sides had issues with the process but you can't give into nay sayers

This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this.

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Wales
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Your basic premise is wrong, have a look through the MENA forum.

Rwanda, well I can not recollect seeing many cases.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Cyprus
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If your fiance speaks English well enough then let him interview in English. Be on the premises for the interview so you can start to troubleshoot

if something goes wrong.

It is not really helpful to generalize as each couple has their own red flags and/or unique circumstances.
Sometimes nationals will assist with the interview, especially in a different language and I have read where they sometimes don't end so well.

It turns into a he said she said kind of thing.

If you go for the interview perhaps you would be allowed in but at least they know you are there.

The overall view of you as a bona fide couple that you show to the CO is what counts, a hopefully front loaded package and quality ongoing

relationship evidence again for the interview with him being able to answer all questions by fully knowing you and about you.

Best wishes.

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I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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Filed: Other Country: Nigeria
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There are always issues involved in immigration, aren't there? But many of them are different for people from the same vs different cultural/ethnic backgrounds.

so give me some examples then your kind of being vague what sort of issues do ppl of the same heritage have to deal with it exactly

 

 

 

 

 

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Rwanda
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I'm sorry if I've caused offense somehow. My point is that I don't KNOW what the issues are when an American citizen marries someone from their hometown in Africa. I just know that there are some differences. I get asked by every government official why I would want to marry someone from their country, as if there's something strange and possibly wrong about it. I doubt that happens when, for instance, someone who immigrated to the US from Senegal and is now a US citizen wants to marry a Senegalese national.

Most of the posts I read on this SSA forum seem to be from people who are immigrants themselves, or perhaps first-generation Americans. (I don't know why my "basic premise is wrong", I just stated my impression, and I'm talking about SSA, not MENA.) I was interested to hear from people who have experiences more similar to mine. I appreciate the encouraging words and advice above, which are what I was hoping to find.

If this topic is somehow offensive, it can be closed.

12/14 Met at work in Rwanda

2/21/15 Became a couple

11/19/15 Married

11/23/15 I left Rwanda 

12/30/15 Mailed I-130

1/06/16 NOA1

5/03/16 NOA2!

5/06/16 NVC received case

5/20/16 Case number assigned

5/23/16 Email from NVC with case number

5/23/16 Choice of Agent filled out, AOS fee invoiced and paid

5/31/16 Called NVC, reviewed I-261 over the phone

6/02/16 IV bill invoiced and paid

7/28/16 Finally! All police clearances and birth certificate received; mailed IV and AOS; filed I-260

8/04/16 Official scan date (tracking shows "delivered" the day before)

8/15/16 Visiting my husband! 10 days

9/01/16 Received checklist in error, claiming our application was on hold because of a waiver application we never filed

9/02/16 Sent for supervisor review, six week timeframe given

9/13/16 Sent for "document review", whatever that is, told the timeframe is now indefinite

9/20/16 Contacted US Representative Adam Smith's office for assistance (WA)

9/26/16 3 N/As and Case Complete!

11/14/16 Interview: approved pending medical! (Vaccines hadn't been available)

11/19/16 Visa received in passport

12/09/16 POE Seattle

03/06/17 Green card received (address changed after POE, no problem)

5/2017 Our baby is due

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Cyprus
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I'm sorry if I've caused offense somehow. My point is that I don't KNOW what the issues are when an American citizen marries someone from their hometown in Africa. I just know that there are some differences. I get asked by every government official why I would want to marry someone from their country, as if there's something strange and possibly wrong about it. I doubt that happens when, for instance, someone who immigrated to the US from Senegal and is now a US citizen wants to marry a Senegalese national.

Most of the posts I read on this SSA forum seem to be from people who are immigrants themselves, or perhaps first-generation Americans. (I don't know why my "basic premise is wrong", I just stated my impression, and I'm talking about SSA, not MENA.) I was interested to hear from people who have experiences more similar to mine. I appreciate the encouraging words and advice above, which are what I was hoping to find.

If this topic is somehow offensive, it can be closed.

There are only 49 members listed on the Rwanda members page, don't know why there are so few.

Your topic is not offensive.

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I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Cyprus
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so give me some examples then your kind of being vague what sort of issues do ppl of the same heritage have to deal with it exactly

Couples of the same nationality do have their own issues. Many are scrutinized with DNA tests to make sure children are truly theirs

and not a niece or other relative or friend's child being smuggled in for example.

Another is extensive AP investigations making sure the couple is truly bona fide and not a relative or friend paying the other for a visa,

especially when they have known each other for a very long time.

This happens more in high fraud countries of course, Nigeria, Ghana etc.

There is not a big exodus going on from Rwanda as compared to Nigeria with 2799 members so the OP has a valid point to question why this is.

Spoiler

 

I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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Filed: Other Country: Nigeria
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I'm sorry if I've caused offense somehow. My point is that I don't KNOW what the issues are when an American citizen marries someone from their hometown in Africa. I just know that there are some differences. I get asked by every government official why I would want to marry someone from their country, as if there's something strange and possibly wrong about it. I doubt that happens when, for instance, someone who immigrated to the US from Senegal and is now a US citizen wants to marry a Senegalese national.

Most of the posts I read on this SSA forum seem to be from people who are immigrants themselves, or perhaps first-generation Americans. (I don't know why my "basic premise is wrong", I just stated my impression, and I'm talking about SSA, not MENA.) I was interested to hear from people who have experiences more similar to mine. I appreciate the encouraging words and advice above, which are what I was hoping to find.

If this topic is somehow offensive, it can be closed.

no need just wanted more clarification , your good

 

 

 

 

 

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Nigeria
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If there is a non normal difference in the couple ( older than child bearing woman marrying a young man , religions that are in conflict in the country marrying, highly educated marrying someone that didn't complete primary education ) then there shouldn't be too much trouble ( Read up on red flags ) You just need to document your relationship far more than if you dated the person next.

This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Nigeria
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I am an American and my fiance is a Nigerian man living in Ghana. We do have differences but mostly because many long distance misunderstandings, we have also a big difference in age yet we love each other, love is universal, no borders.

Tasha

A white USC with a much younger Nigerian interviewing in a 3rd country is really looking for an uphill battle. Hopefully you met in his country and have a longer stay and spent time with his family

This will not be over quickly. You will not enjoy this.

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