Vaccinations

[ridley 0]

On this general topic, we received an RFE today for medical-type stuff. Could those of you who've received an RFE for vaccination supplement please take a look at my post?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53757

I appreciate your input!

[Ban Hammer 14,291]

As i understand it - you are *meant* to get a Civil Surgeon to transfer your vaccination info onto another sheet of paper (which you have to pay for).

exactly! so why doesn't the I-485 say to include " a completed 693A " in its instructions rather than the " vaccination supplement" If people dont know of the form the USCIS is setting itself up for a lot of extra work with RFE's , no?

from the guides:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;page=k1k3aos

I-693, Medical Examination of Aliens Seeking Adjustment of Status. (If you already have this from your overseas Visa Interview submit a copy that medical check form; No fee is required in this case. If you are a K-1 fiancé(e) or K-2 dependent who had a medical examination within the past year as required for the nonimmigrant fiancé(e) visa, you only need to submit a vaccination supplement (I-693A), not the entire medical report. You may include the vaccination supplement with your adjustment of status application.)

[rebeccajo 14]

Ridley, I'm not sure how you get this clarified, but that RFE looks like they need your entire medical redone. I don't know if you need to dial the misinformation line or Infopass, but I'd get to the bottom of it before I ONLY did the I693A.

I know it shouldn't happen, but once in a while the medical packet never makes it from the airport to DHS' storage facilities. One of the flaws of a paper system.

[ridley 0]

Yeah, we're afraid that's what might have happened. I wonder if it got lost between MSC and CSC, perhaps, because MSC didn't seem concerned at all!

[lisaf 0]

As i understand it - you are *meant* to get a Civil Surgeon to transfer your vaccination info onto another sheet of paper (which you have to pay for).

exactly! so why doesn't the I-485 say to include " a completed 693A " in its instructions rather than the " vaccination supplement" If people dont know of the form the USCIS is setting itself up for a lot of extra work with RFE's , no?

from the guides:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;page=k1k3aos

I-693, Medical Examination of Aliens Seeking Adjustment of Status. (If you already have this from your overseas Visa Interview submit a copy that medical check form; No fee is required in this case. If you are a K-1 fiancé(e) or K-2 dependent who had a medical examination within the past year as required for the nonimmigrant fiancé(e) visa, you only need to submit a vaccination supplement (I-693A), not the entire medical report. You may include the vaccination supplement with your adjustment of status application.)

This is the VJ guide. My point was that not every applicant in the world stumbles onto VJ, and that the I-485 instructions themselves do not clearly state what a " supplement" is. ie the 693A

" for fiances"

If you are a K1 fiance or K2 dependent who had a medical examination within the past year as required for the non-immigrant fiance visa, you only need to submit a vaccination supplement......."etc

It is not unreasonable to assume that supplement means the piece of paper that your panel physician gave you with all the information they want on it!

Im not saying Im right, Im agreeing with the general consensus that whats good for one isn't always good for another and the inconsistancy is frustrating.

[rebeccajo 14]

Why would someone need to FIRST come to VJ to get the answers?

From USCIS.gov

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?...f96f237d148bcf9

(K) Vaccination Requirements for K and V Nonimmigrants Adjusting Status to That of Lawful Permanent Resident under Section 245 of the Act . In certain instances, K and V nonimmigrants are not required to repeat the original medical examination that was performed to obtain that nonimmigrant classification. See Chapter 23.3(d)(2). When this is the case, only the vaccination sign-off is required. The vaccination sign-off must have been done by a designated civil surgeon. If the applicant obtained a K or V nonimmigrant visa overseas, the medical exam report completed by the panel physician overseas, Form DS-2053 and accompanying worksheets, should already be in the alien’s A-File, if it was surrendered at the port-of-entry with the visa packet. Note that, in completing the vaccination sign-off, the designated civil surgeon may accept the vaccination supplement to Form DS-2053 completed by the panel physician overseas and proof of additional vaccines received following the applicant's admission to the United States. If the applicant was granted a change of status to V in the United States under section 214(o) of the Act, the medical exam report completed by the civil surgeon should be in the A-file created at the time that the change of status was initially granted. The applicant will need to return to the civil surge on for the vaccination sign-off. If, however, the requirements of Chapter 23.3(d)(2) have not been met, a new medical examination is required, including the vaccination assessment specified under section 212(a)(1)(A)(ii) of the Act.

Edited February 8, 2007 by rebeccajo

[lisaf 0]

Why would someone need to FIRST come to VJ to get the answers?

No reason ...that is what I was trying to say

Lets assume an applicant finds the forms and their instructions self-explanitory ie. the instructions say to include vaccination supplement, and they believe they already have one. Thats about as far as the research could go.

If the instructions on the 1-485 had said "include a 693A," Someone may then think " what the ####### is that???" go to the gossary such as you posted or IF they knew of VJ, try to find out what it was.

as I mentioned before , with all the vaccination RFE's flying around wasting officers time, would it not be easier to state exactly what form is required on the instructions?. Which brings us back to people who've never included anything other than their DS-3025 and made it all the way through the AOS process. How and why??

[maya62 7]

My pet theory for why we have to do both forms, even though they say basically the same thing, is that the panel physician is usually an individual selected and approved by the DOS to evaluate prospective immigrants. The US Civil Surgeon is an individual selected and approved by a different federal agency, the USCIS. In other words, imho, the USCIS wants their guy (an Amar'can doc) checking up on what them furrin docs is adoin'. Maybe USCIS had a problem at some point with what the panel physicians were doing, and therefore decided to put in place their own system.

Just a theory...

We got sent back to the Civil Surgeon on the day of our AOS interview because he did not check the box saying that my husband and son are sufficiently vaccinated. We brought the corrected form back to the interviewer the same day and were given I-551 stamps on the spot.

All's well that ends well.

Good luck all...

Maya

[mercy 1]

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the way they do things, because I submitted a copy of my DS-2053, and was just approved (albeit without an interview). It seems to be a bit like rolling the dice. I definitely remember reading a post where someone said they were asked for the I-693a at the interview when they'd submitted the DS-2035. You've got the time, and if it would help you sleep at night, you could have the records transcribed. Best of luck!

[onesassygirl 0]

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the way they do things, because I submitted a copy of my DS-2053, and was just approved (albeit without an interview). It seems to be a bit like rolling the dice. I definitely remember reading a post where someone said they were asked for the I-693a at the interview when they'd submitted the DS-2035. You've got the time, and if it would help you sleep at night, you could have the records transcribed. Best of luck!

Congratulations on getting approved!

[together2love 0]

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the way they do things, because I submitted a copy of my DS-2053, and was just approved (albeit without an interview). It seems to be a bit like rolling the dice. I definitely remember reading a post where someone said they were asked for the I-693a at the interview when they'd submitted the DS-2035. You've got the time, and if it would help you sleep at night, you could have the records transcribed. Best of luck!

Congratulations on getting approved!

Ya, Congrats on the approval!

[rebeccajo 14]

My pet theory for why we have to do both forms, even though they say basically the same thing, is that the panel physician is usually an individual selected and approved by the DOS to evaluate prospective immigrants. The US Civil Surgeon is an individual selected and approved by a different federal agency, the USCIS. In other words, imho, the USCIS wants their guy (an Amar'can doc) checking up on what them furrin docs is adoin'. Maybe USCIS had a problem at some point with what the panel physicians were doing, and therefore decided to put in place their own system.

Just a theory...

Your theory is spot on maya. In fact it's THE reason.

As a general rule you can expect to have to reproduce most of the efforts you performed for your visa when you adjsut status. DOS and USCIS are different branches of DHS, and they don't rely on each others paperwork. Partly on purpose to create a system of checks and balances.

[no name 1]

This is the VJ guide. My point was that not every applicant in the world stumbles onto VJ, and that the I-485 instructions themselves do not clearly state what a " supplement" is. ie the 693A

But it's a moot point, as those who are debating it ARE on VJ, and therefore have access to the guides!

[Richard&Maria 0]

I have a stupid question.

Where is/how you do obtain the completed DS 3025? Is it buried in the sealed brown envelope (we are dealing with a K-1 and K-2s) or do you request one from the examining hospital or the embassy before leaving for the states? Our interview was just completed but I am not sure if the completed form is all that obvious.

Richard of Richard&Maria

[onesassygirl 0]

It's the vaccination worksheet the panel physician fills out during the medical exam overseas, and it is placed in the sealed brown envelope. You are *supposed* to be given a copy of it (some doctors do and some don't). You should request a copy of it if you weren't given one.