Arab states support Israel against Hamas: NYT

[mota bhai 2,675]

The article is good but the comments are even better. These comments (below the article, excerpted and sanitized for VJ TOS compliance) are from readers of the Pakistani English-language news site Dawn.com.

NEW YORK: Egypt is leading a new coalition of Arab states — including Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates — that has effectively lined up with Israel in its fight against Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip, says the New York Times in a report published on Thursday.

The newspaper said that after the military ouster of the Islamist government in Cairo last year, Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi might have contributed to the failure of the antagonists to reach a negotiated ceasefire even after more than three weeks of bloodshed.

Battling Hamas in Gaza two years ago, Israel found itself pressed from all sides by unfriendly Arab neighbours to end the fighting.

However, the newspaper says “the Arab states’ loathing and fear of political Islam is so strong that it outweighs their allergy to Benjamin Netanyahu,” the prime minister of Israel, said Aaron David Miller, a scholar at the Wilson Centre in Washington and a former Middle East negotiator under several presidents.

“I have never seen a situation like it, where you have so many Arab states acquiescing in the death and destruction in Gaza and the pummelling of Hamas,” he said.

“The silence is deafening”, the newspaper quoted Mr Miller as saying.

Published in Dawn, August 1st, 2014

http://www.dawn.com/news/1122517/

Faisal
about 12 hours ago
Fact of the Century - Palestine is a Sunni state, yet the only state that has been supporting "Free Palestine" is a Shia State - Iran - Enough Said

hakan

about 11 hours ago
Those Arab nations are loser servants of the West . Pak Turk must unit against such traitors

Uxman Masood
about 11 hours ago
Really dis appointing , shame on these Arab states and shame on our PM who goes to Saudi Arabia to spend eid and have a luxury time with Saudi kings

NASAH (USA)
about 11 hours ago
It is time to kick the Hamas from Gaza -- like the Taliban from the Waziristan. The Palestinian state could have been born years ago except for the hijacking of Gaza by Hamas.

May be Arabs are counting on the child killer Netanyahu to do the job.

javed

about 10 hours ago
when you see the history of muslims sultanat u see son always captured father to imprisonment for power so what is new in that thats a basic character of muslim world

Azmeen

about 9 hours ago
what a shameful act by the countries mentioned in the article. That is why USA brought in military rule in Egypt before this war.

Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali
about 9 hours ago
Folks: Please read an article by Saudi Arabia Foreign Minister Turki Al- Faisal Saud in Sharq al wosta. He is praising Israeli for what they doing by eliminating Hammas. Also read Al Ahram, article by Azza Sami thanking the Israily PM for his deeds. Shame on these so called Muslim.

Taimoor Khan
about 5 hours ago

Currently Pakistani leadership is the house of Saud's lacky. Our PM is in Saudi for last nine days doing "Umrah" while our nation is fighting a war against the foreign sponsored mercenaries in waziristan. For them to support the people of Gaza in any shape or form is next to impossible. Pakistan needs a nationalist, independent and free from all outside influences type leadership at the very top, in order to help itself and those who might need our assistance.

Riyaz Ahmad

about 4 hours ago
I wan't make it clear here that It is not Arab Nation or the people of the holy Land That are supporting Israel,It is in fact the puppet Regimes and the Fearing Kings of these nations that are supporting Israel aggression.

Akhtar

about 3 hours ago
Egypt has an illegitimate ruler. He does not have the peoples mandate. This man has been installed as ruler by the Americans and Saudis. Sisi is just like the ousted Mubarak - same background.

Haider
about 3 hours ago
I'll try my best to boycott going to all gulf countries except Qatar. For me until gen sisi is not overthrown wouldn't go to Egypt either.

noorilhuda

about 3 hours ago
It's not their fear of political Islam but democracy and people fighting for their rights. Arab countries like Saudia, Jordan and UAE have monarchies. Egypt's Morsi was ousted in U.S. orchestrated Egyptian military takeover. These states forget, their time will come too! Just like Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya, these countries will be bombed too! And then they will have no support!

Gaz

about 3 hours ago
This is the real reason the Muslim world is in a mess, all these rulers in the Arab world are not really interested in their countries they are only interested in keeping their own power. Non of these Arab countries have a real military they just have militias to keep dictatorship in power.

cool
about 3 hours ago
Saudia Arabia betrayed muslim when they fought against turks and help british take over all of middle east and played their role in creating isreal. now they betray muslims again

dgjcxdg@ymail.com
about 3 hours ago
Hamas is veiled Isreali agency , whatever they do, goes in Israil's favor.

GA
about 2 hours ago
Correction: illegitimate Arab despots whose days are numbered support Israel. Arab people support Palestine.

Junaid

about an hour ago
The only countries that can save Palestine is Iran and Turkey. The rulers of Saudi Arabia and other arab countries are supporters of Zionism. They are hypocrites. They call themselves muslims but look at their deeds. They are hypocrites indeed.

Junaid
about an hour ago
As the saying goes. Islam is the best religion and Muslims are the worst followers. This one line describes everything what is going on in the entire Muslim world.

Rahul

42 minutes ago
For a minute look at the whole picture. ISIS, Hamas and all these other fundamentalist groups are trying to push Islam over the cliff. They are in-fact responsible of hundreds of deaths and forcing an out right war on our basic rights. They are the worse then barbarians and I will stand with anyone who is helping me getting rid of this evil. If we open our eyes than Isreal is doing what we all should be doing to bury this evil forever. In the fight between good versus evil, innocent die.

A shah
23 minutes ago
pakistan is the biggest servant to the US. They use drones to kill our ppl every day and we happily bend over whenever they show us the dollar. I am ashamed to be a Muslim.

[Póg mo 1,749]

Well it's nice that Israel and the people who brought us al-Qaeda and now ISIS are both on the same page with hating on Hamas.

[OriZ 3,157]

The other day, we heard of an UNRWA clinic which was used as an entrance to a terror tunnel and a storage site for massive amounts of explosives. A C-L-I-N-I-C. Sadly, getting the information took the lives of a few soldiers.

The UNRWA "clinic" joins the three UNRWA "schools" – those we know of – where rockets were stored, rockets which, upon discovery, UNRWA gave to the Hamas murderers. It also joins countless other UNRWA installations from which rockets were fired at Israeli civilians. And these all join the "educational programmes" funded by UNRWA which tens of thousands of local kids were exposed to, training programmes for would-be murderers. And to top it all up, the UNRWA spokesman in Gaza speaks no differently from his Hamas colleague, and, perhaps, with his superior English, probably does a much more efficient job. But the suit and tie with the fancy English cannot cover up the agenda.

However you look at it, UNRWA , at the very least, cooperates with terror organisations in the murder of Israeli civilians. And if we were to think a little less naively, UNRWA is the Hamas' diplomatic front.

The US is UNRWA's top contributor (over 130 million dollars in 2013), followed by the EU (over 106 million dollars). De facto, this funding sponsor terrorism – and it's time to speak clearly.

Difficult images of destruction are arriving from Facebook and protest against Israel are not only anti-Semites. They are human beings. It pains them. It pains most Israelis too. So how is it possible that despite these difficult images, despite the damage caused to innocent people, there is no other way but to deal Hamas' military force a critical blow?

The professional Israel haters, those who do it for a living and as a profession, like to compare Israel today to Germany in the 1930s. Let’s go down that same road.

In those days too, an anti-Semitic movement developed inside Europe, spreading hatred. Then too, many people thought that if something bad was happening in Germany, there was a need for a dialogue, reconciliation, understanding. Others thought it was a monster that only wanted to eat Jews, not the free world.

Between Chamberlain the appeaser and Churchill the aggressor – the majority supported reconciliation. We all know what happened next.

Let’s skip the horrible war for a moment, which claimed the lives of 60 million people. Let's jump over to the horrific bombings of Dresden and Tokyo and to the two atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those were the incidents which concluded the war. Incidents which created havoc, destruction and horrors.

Let’s just assume that in the early stage, in 1938, instead of the Munich Agreement with the Nazi regime, those who thought the Nazis should be attacked would have had the upper hand. Let's assume that France and Britain would have started bombing the Nazi regime's centers of power, in the stages when most of its force could have still been destroyed.

It's safe to assume that a considerable number of the casualties would have been innocent people. Why in the NATO bombings of Belgrade in 1999 as well, most of the dead were innocent.

What then? We know. Instead of great destruction, with tens of millions of casualties, there would have been a little destruction with tens of thousands of casualties. A little aggression against a little monster would have prevented huge destruction by a big monster.

In the conflict between Israel and Hamas, the picture is much clearer. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis of the 1930s did not speak, at least not openly, about annihilating Jews. The Hamas charter and the Hamas leaders, on the other hand, speak openly about annihilating Jews. And not just Jews, but also "Christians and communists." And not just annihilation, but also "lebensraum," which includes "conquering Rome, London and the two Americas."

Hamas' children's channel instills an alarming amount of hatred against Jews. Hamas' official channel asserts that "the Christians, the Jews and the communists must be destroyed to the very last one of them."

They're not just talking. It's already happening in front of our eyes as we speak, in Musul in Iraq and in Raqqa in Syria. They are beheading their rivals, they are carrying out a mass slaughter. They are not hanging out in Musul's bars, as the Nazis did in Paris. They are bombing them and the people inside them.

The US fought the Jihad's extensions in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It failed. The Taliban is growing stronger. ISIS is conquering. Israel cannot afford to lose.

On this background, reconciliation can only take place, if at all, under the condition set by the European Union: A complete demilitarization of the Strip. Preferably in an agreement. The demilitarization must also include the incitement mechanisms. But as long as Hamas refuses – and Hamas refuses – it must be done forcibly. Now it's still possible. Tomorrow it may be too late.

The killing and destruction are distressing. As long as Hamas not only talks about annihilation, not only refuses reconciliation, but also invests everything it has in huge terror mechanisms, tunnels and rockets, Israel will be committing a crime against itself and against the free world if it fails to take action to crush the monster. It should happen now, while the monster is small. If it doesn't happen, in five years the free world will reach a big Dresden.

And one last thing. Sam Harris, an American philosopher, atheist and rationalist, published an article this week titled, "Why don't I criticize Israel?" He does have some criticism. But his concluding sentence was: "The truth is, we are all living in Israel. It’s just that some of us haven’t realized it yet."

Hey free world, are you listening?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4552772,00.html

Edited August 1, 2014 by OriZ

[mota bhai 2,675]

What is up with the weird indentation?

[OriZ 3,157]

[mota bhai 2,675]

Oh right to left. Arabic style.

Edited August 1, 2014 by mota bhai

[Póg mo 1,749]

If you support a country that is holding 1.8 million people in a giant open air prison, while bombing and slaughtering innocent men, women and children at on daily basis, you don't get to call others terrorists. Israel is a rogue nation, that seems to believe that ends justify the means, and no amount of spamming this forum with Zionist propaganda is change that fact. Israel = terrorist nation.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

we should stop getting in the middle of Middle eastern affairs. Withdraw all troops from the region, all foreign aid and and involvement of any kind. We should then spend all the money on developing oil alternatives, with the zeal we pursed the Moon and the Atom Bomb.

Then when we do, let them eat sand .

If you support a country that is holding 1.8 million people in a giant open air prison, while bombing and slaughtering innocent men, women and children at on daily basis, you don't get to call others terrorists. Israel is a rogue nation, that seems to believe that ends justify the means, and no amount of spamming this forum with Zionist propaganda is change that fact. Israel = terrorist nation.

So you agree that Jordan should give back the occupied palatines lands ?

Edited August 1, 2014 by The Nature Boy

[OriZ 3,157]

If you support a country that is holding 1.8 million people in a giant open air prison, while bombing and slaughtering innocent men, women and children at on daily basis, you don't get to call others terrorists. Israel is a rogue nation, that seems to believe that ends justify the means, and no amount of spamming this forum with Zionist propaganda is change that fact. Israel = terrorist nation.

Uh huh, ok. Now to some more of what Hamas terrorists do:

http://grid.pjmedia.com/?cmd=view-show-profile-article&id=1934

[Póg mo 1,749]

we should stop getting in the middle of Middle eastern affairs. Withdraw all troops from the region, all foreign aid and and involvement of any kind. We should then spend all the money on developing oil alternatives, with the zeal we pursed the Moon and the Atom Bomb.

Then when we do, let them eat sand .

So you agree that Jordan should give back the occupied palatines lands ?

Who or what are palantines?

Uh huh, ok. Now to some more of what Hamas terrorists do:

http://grid.pjmedia.com/?cmd=view-show-profile-article&id=1934

So you agree Israel is a rogue nation. At least you are admitting that much.

[OriZ 3,157]

So you agree Israel is a rogue nation. At least you are admitting that much.

Oh yeah. Most definitely. BTW, don't take my word for Hamas being terrorists. Take the word of the son of one of the founders.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Who or what are palantines?

So you agree Israel is a rogue nation. At least you are admitting that much.

The are a nomadic German people displaced like the Palestinians

ever heard of google ?

[Póg mo 1,749]

The are a nomadic German people displaced like the Palestinians

ever heard of google ?

How about this clip?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5633622?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000018

[OriZ 3,157]

Really?

Russell Brand???

REALLY???

Now I know you're really desperate.

Hmmm...the green prince or Russell Brand...who should I choose...tough choice, maybe I'll take Selena Gomez instead

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/07/25/joan-rivers-slams-selena-gomez-for-pray-for-gaza-post/

You are just as irresponsible as Hamas. By supporting them you are not only showing your true face as a terrorist sympathizer, you are also showing you care not about the Palestinian people. Tell me, why do you hate the Palestinian people so much to wish Hamas on them?

[Póg mo 1,749]

Really?

Russell Brand???

REALLY???

Now I know you're really desperate.

Hmmm...the green prince or Russell Brand...who should I choose...tough choice, maybe I'll take Selena Gomez instead

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/07/25/joan-rivers-slams-selena-gomez-for-pray-for-gaza-post/

You are just as irresponsible as Hamas. By supporting them you are not only showing your true face as a terrorist sympathizer, you are also showing you care not about the Palestinian people. Tell me, why do you hate the Palestinian people so much to wish Hamas on them?

Right, you use a fox news quote and then you have the nerve to criticise Russell Brand, who does make some really good points by the way, regardless of your opinion of him.