Troopers can arrest illegal immigrants

[peejay 327]

Peejay, you brought up the past when you said your relatives came here legally, so pick or choose whether the past is relevant. How far back before history is no longer relevant?

No...you used that same old lame cliche, "we are a nation of immigrants" to somehow justify and excuse the modern scourge of illegal immigration. It is just one of many lame cliches that are used to excuse illegal immigration. I'm just saying that it isn't the golden age of immigration (1880 - 1920) anymore. That era and that nation doesn't exist anymore. The modern welfare state was nonexistent in the golden age of immigration.

It is rather stupid and suicidal in 2006 to allow massive poverty and crime to be dumped illegally across our border by a Third World nation into a modern welfare state that exists in America today. To compare that abomination to immigration 85 - 100 years ago is absurd.

This is not the land of Oz...this is modern 21st century America.

It's not a cliche...it's a fact. The legality of whether an immigrant is 'legal' or 'illegal' doesn't change the fact that they immigrants, first and foremost. Many of them have assimilated into our society. I'm not suggesting we do nothing, but I don't buy into the notion that because they don't have the legal documentation to be here that they are criminal or vermin.

Would you support blocks of work visas granted to companies who can demonstrate the need for low wage workers? The problem isn't going away. There has to be some reasonable solutions worth exploring.

I don't subscribe to the notion that these people deserve amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for border hopping illegally. They are not assimilating into our society as past immigrants have. Either linguistically or culturally. We do not have diversity in immigration when a overwhelming majority of immigrants (legal & illegal) come from one country, one region, one language, one culture, and one race. The legal ones are convenient enablers to the illegal. Half of immigration into America in recent years has been illegal and has increased immigration numbers twice what has been set forth by law. The end result is that an alarming amount of immigration into America is uncontrolled poverty from Third World countries into a modern welfare state. This is an abomination and is nothing like historical immigration in America.

There can be no such thing as a temporary guest worker under the current situation. You cannot regulate something that already is uncontrolled. The control infrastructure needs to come first. It was promised in 1986 and never happened. Why do we need to foster another lie on the American people as a solution. There need to be a lot of changes before I would have faith in a real temporary guest worker program for menial labor.

In the mean time...amnesty is not the answer.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

state troopers are not federal agents. immigration is a federal jurisdiction.

ergo, state troopers cannot arrest someone for violating immigration laws.

Daniel

:energetic:

State troopers can and do incarcerate illegals for violating immigration laws. You must not know about my favorite sheriff, Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, AZ.

Arizona County Uses New Law to Look for Illegal Immigrants

One Sheriff Sees Immigration Answer as Simple

I think I'm in loooove (L) !

Edited December 6, 2006 by szsz

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

I'd like to see the site that shows a list of US Citizens killed by Legal Aliens. If they weren't here, the USC wouldn't have been killed either. Maybe the US needs to toss out all the legal Aliens (they can all come live in Canada).

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

I'd like to see the site that shows a list of US Citizens killed by Legal Aliens. If they weren't here, the USC wouldn't have been killed either. Maybe the US needs to toss out all the legal Aliens (they can all come live in Canada).

yawn

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

peejay,

if i show you how today's hispanic immigrants are integrating better and faster than previoous racial immigrants, would you change your stance?

i just can't help to point out the words you coose the different waves of iimigration. Today's are "a scourge" whilst previous waves where "golden". The words you are using are showing what you think of the people. Your ancestors were part of the golden wave, the new brown people are a scourge. You have some serious issues to deal with peejay. I wish you well.

Daniel

:energetic:

[peejay 327]

peejay,

if i show you how today's hispanic immigrants are integrating better and faster than previoous racial immigrants, would you change your stance?

i just can't help to point out the words you coose the different waves of iimigration. Today's are "a scourge" whilst previous waves where "golden". The words you are using are showing what you think of the people. Your ancestors were part of the golden wave, the new brown people are a scourge. You have some serious issues to deal with peejay. I wish you well.

Daniel

:energetic:

There is no comparison between what happened then and what is happening now. It was a different time and a different America than today. Whether that puts your panties in a knot is an issue you have to deal with.

Massive illegal immigration is a scourge. There is an overwhelming consensus that it is not desirable or beneficial. If you cannot deal with the issue that Hispanics and Mexico are the major offenders and contributors to illegal immigration...that is up to you. But do not put words in my mouth or misrepresent my statements.

Thanx for the well wishes, but somehow I get the impression it is not sincere.

[pedroh 21]

peejay,

if i show you how today's hispanic immigrants are integrating better and faster than previoous racial immigrants, would you change your stance?

i just can't help to point out the words you coose the different waves of iimigration. Today's are "a scourge" whilst previous waves where "golden". The words you are using are showing what you think of the people. Your ancestors were part of the golden wave, the new brown people are a scourge. You have some serious issues to deal with peejay. I wish you well.

Daniel

:energetic:

There is no comparison between what happened then and what is happening now. It was a different time and a different America than today. Whether that puts your panties in a knot is an issue you have to deal with.

Massive illegal immigration is a scourge. There is an overwhelming consensus that it is not desirable or beneficial. If you cannot deal with the issue that Hispanics and Mexico are the major offenders and contributors to illegal immigration...that is up to you. But do not put words in my mouth or misrepresent my statements.

Thanx for the well wishes, but somehow I get the impression it is not sincere.

peejay, you're referring not also to the illegal immigration, but also to the legal immigration from 'specific countries' and talk about how they fail to integrate into american society and such. It seems that you are not familiar with the new waves of hispanic-american citizens that are as American as you or Monterery Jack Cheese, they speak english, they speak spanish as a second language..

now, probably the integration, it's going to be different as it was with the first waves of immigrants that came to the USA.. now rather than integration of the american culture there will be probably a hybrid of cultures and or languages (hispanics are not the only ones who push the spanish language in the media or pop culture, americans demand it too i.e. reggaeton music, latin artists, etc) so I don't think it's the hispanics 'fault' to not learn english and or try to 'conquer' the US by 'imposing a language' (again, most legal hispanic immigrants are bilingual, and if businesses have bilingual options now, it's because of the money, not because they are being surrendered to the oh evil spanish)

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Please supply sources for your claims, pedroh. They don't jibe with my experience, so I would like to check them out. Thank you!

[pedroh 21]

Please supply sources for your claims, pedroh. They don't jibe with my experience, so I would like to check them out. Thank you!

sources? o f what? bilingual hispanics? I think in this site there are a few of them so you can check it by yourself.. about the culture... go to a dance club or watch mtv and u'll see the spanish influence not demanded by hispanics

[Heracles 417]

peejay,

if i show you how today's hispanic immigrants are integrating better and faster than previoous racial immigrants, would you change your stance?

i just can't help to point out the words you coose the different waves of iimigration. Today's are "a scourge" whilst previous waves where "golden". The words you are using are showing what you think of the people. Your ancestors were part of the golden wave, the new brown people are a scourge. You have some serious issues to deal with peejay. I wish you well.

Daniel

:energetic:

integrating. That is the funniest thing I have heard. So many don't even bother learning English. Or do you mean how well MS13 is integrating?

Then again why would they. Everything is in Hispanics. Over 10 million have entered the country by breaking federal law. Only to find nearly everything is catered for their needs.

[Traviesa 0]

Only to find nearly everything is catered for their needs.

Excuse me while I LMAO! That was funny...

[pedroh 21]

peejay,

if i show you how today's hispanic immigrants are integrating better and faster than previoous racial immigrants, would you change your stance?

i just can't help to point out the words you coose the different waves of iimigration. Today's are "a scourge" whilst previous waves where "golden". The words you are using are showing what you think of the people. Your ancestors were part of the golden wave, the new brown people are a scourge. You have some serious issues to deal with peejay. I wish you well.

Daniel

:energetic:

integrating. That is the funniest thing I have heard. So many don't even bother learning English. Or do you mean how well MS13 is integrating?

Then again why would they. Everything is in Hispanics. Over 10 million have entered the country by breaking federal law. Only to find nearly everything is catered for their needs.

err, there might be some things catered to 'their needs'.. but it's not for free.. of course that if the people demand spanish services, and theres money (a lot) in between, there's gonna be a supply for that need..

now, the english part, true, there are some people like the gangs (i dunno why are you so obsessed with the mS13 lol) that don't care for learning the language, others have a harder time doing it... others are denied that right... like the temporary tobacco workers that come every season to NC for a couple of months, they leave and come back every year, since they are a big group (10+) the community college can give them free english lessons for the time they are here, but the tobbaco farm owners don't want them to learn english.. why, i dunno, it's free, they don't have to travel... so.. while some of the hispanics probably don't mind (or simply can't) some of them are denied of that gift, which is education

[pedroh 21]

and again, that demand for spanish is not only 'demanded' by the hispanics, if spanish is in the mainstream media and pop culture is also because the anglo market wants it.. so go tell the english speaking people 'bad bad' for wanting to learn or just enjoy other languages

[Heracles 417]

Only to find nearly everything is catered for their needs.

Excuse me while I LMAO! That was funny...

Hmm. Have you ever seen labels in Russian, Chinese, Arabic etc??? Have you ever heard a phone service ask if someone speaks Russian, Chinese, Arabic etc?? The difference between hispanics and the rest of the world is that when we migrate to someone else's country, we want to assimilate and learn their language and way of life..

I have see more 'Si Habla Espanol' signs than the 'Welcome' sign here.. How is that right..

It is just a shame to see America's obsession with being PC overshadow it's own history. America's history is almost being made a taboo and put on the back bench to everything else. A friend of mine who is a teacher was told the other day not to emphasize Christmas and to focus on all religions equally. That is, even though a majority of the founder and nowadays 75% of the country identifies itself as being Christian..

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Please supply sources for your claims, pedroh. They don't jibe with my experience, so I would like to check them out. Thank you!

sources? o f what? bilingual hispanics? I think in this site there are a few of them so you can check it by yourself.. about the culture... go to a dance club or watch mtv and u'll see the spanish influence not demanded by hispanics

This statement

It seems that you are not familiar with the new waves of hispanic-american citizens that are as American as you or Monterery Jack Cheese, they speak english, they speak spanish as a second language..

has no support. I asked for empirical support for your claims; I didn't ask for instructions as to how to gather anecdotes. Thank you, anyway.

I live in Colorado, a state overrun by the "new wave" of migrants. They are not assimilating, they are not English speaking, they are not bilingual. In fact, Americans are expected to learn Spanish in order to serve them. Position announcements require Spanish/English speakers for a myriad of jobs. In fact, within the last month, there was a public uprour over how the yellow pages is publishing a Spanish version and was advertizing for Spanish speaking customer service reps. People want to know why their companies are requiring Americans to become bilingual rather than requiring the trespassers to learn English! Health care workers, court personnel, law enforcement, even Red Cross volunteers, are advertizing for bilingual speakers. This is an English speaking country with immigrants from many, many lands, speaking many many languages. No one but illegal Mexicans are putting on rallies and demanding that everyone else conform to them instead of them assimilating to us.

This is a problem, whether you see it or not.