Troopers can arrest illegal immigrants

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

In California, a state that actually IS swamped by illegals, the police have stated that they will not ask immigration status (though I believe they are allowed to) because they believe it is counter-productive for fighting crime -- someone is less likely to give evidence against gang members (which could be committed by an illegal or might not be) if they think they themselves might get in trouble. Thats what I've been reading anyway.

It's interesting to mention Ted Kennedy and suggest he might have a different opinion if the state was more swamped with illegals - I thought John McCain was also sponsoring the reform bill with him and his state unquestionably IS swamped with illegals. Arnold, governor of state swamped by illegals, has also stated he hasn't the money or the will to deport them (he put the figure at something like $40 million and thought it was low)

[Kez/JWolf 6]

Massachusetts has its own breed of illegals.... most are irish and Canadians who entered the US legally but just somehow forgot to go home... we also have a large population of illegals from the south mostly from south American countries...

But as long as employers get away with hiring illegal immigrants so they can pay ####### wages it wont stop.... start hitting the employers hard and I am sure it will be less easy to employ illegals... IMO

Edited December 3, 2006 by Niagaenola

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In California, a state that actually IS swamped by illegals, the police have stated that they will not ask immigration status (though I believe they are allowed to) because they believe it is counter-productive for fighting crime -- someone is less likely to give evidence against gang members (which could be committed by an illegal or might not be) if they think they themselves might get in trouble. Thats what I've been reading anyway.

Right. Sure. Never mind turning a fcuking gang against you by helping law enforcement put some of their own away. If only they don't touch a person for one's immigration status everyone will gladly cooperate. That's laughable and about the weakest case I've heard against having state and local cops determine one's immigration status. I think that once one testifies against them gangsters, one might just be better off deported. At least one would still be breathing.

Edited December 3, 2006 by ET-US2004

[peejay 327]

In California, a state that actually IS swamped by illegals, the police have stated that they will not ask immigration status (though I believe they are allowed to) because they believe it is counter-productive for fighting crime -- someone is less likely to give evidence against gang members (which could be committed by an illegal or might not be) if they think they themselves might get in trouble. Thats what I've been reading anyway.

It's interesting to mention Ted Kennedy and suggest he might have a different opinion if the state was more swamped with illegals - I thought John McCain was also sponsoring the reform bill with him and his state unquestionably IS swamped with illegals. Arnold, governor of state swamped by illegals, has also stated he hasn't the money or the will to deport them (he put the figure at something like $40 million and thought it was low)

I mostly mention that idiot Teddy K because he had a major hand in that last joke perpetrated on the American people erroneously called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. The bloviating he did on the Senate floor in 1986 was nauseating and his dire predictions of massive discrimination against Hispanics in the workplace has proven to be a sick joke.

Now...20 years later after amnestying 3+ million illegal aliens this idiot Teddy sponsors another plan to amnesty 12 - 20 million illegal aliens and more promises of future enforcement of the law. When will the American people realize that Teddy boy is clueless about what it takes to control illegal immigration or that he even knows what the hell he is talking about on this subject. Apparently there are still people that believe in Teddy and that amnestying illegal aliens is somehow a solution or a deterent. They are dead wrong and the proof is 1986. Why believe this clown again?

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

As far as employers...of course their businesses will be impacted. They get what they deserve just like others enterprises that break the law to profit financially such as pimping, drug dealing, embezzling, fraud, tax evasion, etc.

After 20 years of lies and unkept promises from our government...shouldn't we try enforcing the laws first instead of giving away anymore amnesties to illegal aliens first?

Edited December 3, 2006 by peejay

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So what are they gonna do after they detain them? Put them on a plane back home?

Here's an idea. How about the state troopers focus on actually combating crime? This is nonsense - trying to fix the illegal immigration problem by taking state troopers away from doing their job.

ah yes, we know - being an illegal alien isn't a crime in your book

So what are they gonna do after they detain them? Put them on a plane back home?

Here's an idea. How about the state troopers focus on actually combating crime? This is nonsense - trying to fix the illegal immigration problem by taking state troopers away from doing their job.

It's not supposed to take them away from their job since they won't be specifically "hunting" illegals, but I doubt that's how it will go down in practice.

Well, they still have to haul them to the downtown jail, file paperwork, etc. And all for what? I used to work in a restaurant where all the kitchen help were illegals. INS would make a sweep and our whole kitchen crew would be gone, leaving the restaurant in a terrible bind. Then, those illegals would be let go because INS doesn't have the resources to actually deport them, so they go off to another restaurant and the process starts all over again.

There are better solutions out there. This is a waste of resources, IMO.

it's rather interesting that on one hand, you complain about illegals being caught in this restaurant, yet on the other hand you complain about a low minimum wage.....

get rid of the illegals and then the restaurant is forced to pay people a living wage, because that's the only choice they have to hire, eh?

I'm simply pointing out that having state troopers detain the illegals does nothing to circumvent the problem and wastes the states resources.

If we want to 'fix' the problem it's goiing to take a real solution which entails many avenues. We as consumers who enjoy cheap products and services are partly to blame. Our trade agreements with both China and Mexico have to be revamped. We need to be realistic and offer those who have been here at length, legal amnesty with the condition that they apply for citizenship. Look into why so many businesses such as restaurants are hiring illegals - is it fear of discrimination or because they can't find other help?

There are no simple solutions...period.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

Absolutely! And don't forget to put a stop to the automatic entitlement to citizenship for children born to illegals in the US. If the parents are not here legally, the child will not be a US citizen at birth. It's just silly to grant citizenship to a child born to people that are here illegally.

[peejay 327]

I thought John McCain was also sponsoring the reform bill with him and his state unquestionably IS swamped with illegals.

My state of Texas also has illegal aliens galore. My Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison was interviewed on CNN Lou Dobbs Tonight and stated that feedback from her constituents consistently was against amnesty or legalization for illegal aliens and that she couldn't recall any instance in mind in which someone contacted her office was in favor of amnesty. She went on to say that she was against amnesty for illegal aliens.

So what does she do several months later? She sponsors a bill (Hutchison / Pence) to give amnesty to illegal aliens with a pathway to citizenship...but claims that legalizing illegal aliens and giving them a pathway to citizenship is not an amnesty.

Apparently her masters in big business that bankrolled her 2006 reelection straightened her out on the error of her ways. The fact is that the Senate is in the hip pocket of corporate America. If anyone believes that the huge corporate contributions to campaign warchests don't buy influence...

The fact is that illegal immigration is quite profitable to a few influential people. It is not such a good deal for a vast majority of America.

John McCain is just as corrupt as Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Edited December 3, 2006 by peejay

[pedroh 21]

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

Absolutely! And don't forget to put a stop to the automatic entitlement to citizenship for children born to illegals in the US. If the parents are not here legally, the child will not be a US citizen at birth. It's just silly to grant citizenship to a child born to people that are here illegally.

u'd need to change the constitution in order for that to happen i think..

but i agree in the job issue.. illegals are here because employers want them..

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is no need for massive roundups and deportations to rid us of illegal aliens. Retroactive mandatory employment verification and stiff employer sanctions for non-compliance is all that is necessary. No job...no illegal aliens. When they can't work and are prohibited from receiving government aid...they will go somewhere else. In most cases that would be back home.

Absolutely! And don't forget to put a stop to the automatic entitlement to citizenship for children born to illegals in the US. If the parents are not here legally, the child will not be a US citizen at birth. It's just silly to grant citizenship to a child born to people that are here illegally.

u'd need to change the constitution in order for that to happen i think...

So? Let's pass an amendment then.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

u'd need to change the constitution in order for that to happen i think.

No, it wouldn't have to be changed, just reinterpreted. The original intent of the provision was to make black slaves legal citizens. It was not intended to reward lawbreakers. Politicians are allowing illegals to have anchor babies because they believe it will win them more votes.

If we're going to legalize lawbreaking, why not have them start with freedom from taxes for legals? I don't want to pay taxes because it will allow me to have a better quality of life, than I will have if I follow the law! I want state troopers to declare that tax slackers will not be pursued nor arrested for their out-of-current status! I proclaim that and my family and friends will vote for politicians that support tax amnesty!

How convincing is my proposal? I like it!

PS - Colorado is going to have our state troopers arresting illegals too. Whoopee! We have suffered enough!

Edited December 3, 2006 by szsz

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If we're going to legalize lawbreaking, why not have them start with freedom from taxes for legals? I don't want to pay taxes because it will allow me to have a better quality of life, than I will have if I follow the law! I want state troopers to declare that tax slackers will not be pursued nor arrested for their out-of-current status! I proclaim that and my family and friends will vote for politicians that support tax amnesty!

How convincing is my proposal? I like it!

Well, it worked on me.

Let's quit paying taxes and when the IRS wants to come for us, we organize a huge march to bring to everyone's attention that we're being unfairly criminalized. Then we demand from the folks in DC that they make sure the IRS can't really touch us.

Let's do some shoplifting, too. I never really like to pay for all my stuff. Plus, if I quit paying for everything, I can have more stuff. That'll be a huge plus. And if they want to come for me and convict me, I just call on all shoplifters to stage a huge protest to convice some spineless fools in DC to grant me an amnesty.

Or maybe if I shoplift 10,000.00 worth of stuff and/or don't pay $10,000 worth of taxes, they can make me pay a $1,000.00 or $2,000.00 fine before wiping my slate clean so we don't have to call it an amnesty. That would be awesome. Excellent!

Edited December 3, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Or maybe if I shoplift 10,000.00 worth of stuff and/or don't pay $10,000 worth of taxes, they can make me pay a $1,000.00 or $2,000.00 fine before wiping my slate clean so we don't have to call it an amnesty. That would be awesome. Excellent!

We can easily knock down your charge to "Agricultural trespass" like our new CO governor did for lots of illegals whom he failed to prosecute for assault with a deadly weapon, and other crimes against persons. Some went on to murder someone. When you get off on "Agricultural trespass", please don't murder anyone. If we don't have that problem, I'm sure we can get the tax amnesty and free stuff legislation to pass.

[Tim and Bethanie 1]

Good, troopers allowed to arrest any and everyone that breaks the law including ILLEGAL immigrants. *Gasp*

[mybackpages 0]

Citizenshhip is not just defined by the 14th amendment but also by title 8 o fthe US Code

Citizenhip at birth is given to the following:

• Anyone born inside the United States
  
• Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  
• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  
• Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  
• Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
  
• A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
  

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Citizenshhip is not just defined by the 14th amendment but also by title 8 o fthe US Code

That is the current interpretation, but it can be changed the same way it was created. The intent of the lawmakers is often used to determine a law's application. The lawmakers did not intend for their amendment to provide relief for lawbreakers like that once deported woman holed up in a Chicago church who is using her young son to try to beat her second deportation order.

Edited December 4, 2006 by szsz