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[GandD 5,966]

How do you have an honest political dialogue when your opponent is even suspicious of your love for your country? While there certainly are extremists from both sides, the Republican Party has been overrun by the extreme right and the evidence is demonstrated above from that 1956 Republican Party Platform. If any modern Republican politician were to say any of those things, he'd be labelled a rhino and would never get elected/re-elected. Christie is about as close as it gets and even he isn't anywhere near those traditional party ideals.

I agree about the extremists part. I think that has its ups and downs based on who has the whitehouse. Liberals were quite loud during GWB. But yeah, party ideals don't matter as much as making sure you build as strong a base as possible. In this country, enough people fit into the left or right that all you need is one party that says its left and one that says its right. They then get 75% of the electorate among them and then proceed to posture in a way to reach the remaining 25%, ideals be damned.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I agree about the extremists part. I think that has its ups and downs based on who has the whitehouse. Liberals were quite loud during GWB. But yeah, party ideals don't matter as much as making sure you build as strong a base as possible. In this country, enough people fit into the left or right that all you need is one party that says its left and one that says its right. They then get 75% of the electorate among them and then proceed to posture in a way to reach the remaining 25%, ideals be damned.

I'm sorry, but the two parties are not equal footing when it comes to embracing extremist viewpoints as a party. The Republican Party has as a group, openly questioned the patriotism of Americans who don't share their POV. They have reduced the role of government to merely serving the interests of corporations. They are the ones who have openly criticized the very viewpoints their party at one time embraced, as socialism creeping it's way into liberties. Sorry, but there's no liberal comparison on that scale that you can pin on the opposing party. Nope.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm sorry, but the two parties are not equal footing when it comes to embracing extremist viewpoints as a party. The Republican Party has as a group, openly questioned the patriotism of Americans who don't share their POV. They have reduced the role of government to merely serving the interests of corporations. They are the ones who have openly criticized the very viewpoints their party at one time embraced, as socialism creeping it's way into liberties. Sorry, but there's no liberal comparison on that scale that you can pin on the opposing party. Nope.

Agreed. Take Obamacare. It's Republican policy from 2 decades ago. Take the individual mandate. That's been thought up by the Heritage Foundation. One would be hard pressed to come up with Democratic party policy proposals that Democrats reject only because the other side happened to suddenly support them.

[RGinWA 816]

Now, anyone here who labels themself a traditional Republican, but doesn't espouse to the above ideals has to ask themselves, how come I'm not embracing the very traditional ideals my party once held if I'm really a traditional Republican?

The only time workers are mentioned in a republican agenda is when they are refering to the attack on organized labor.

To them its a crime to be paid enough to live; because of course that cuts into the profits of the platform sponsors.

[Karee 4,189]

I'm sorry, but the two parties are not equal footing when it comes to embracing extremist viewpoints as a party. The Republican Party has as a group, openly questioned the patriotism of Americans who don't share their POV. They have reduced the role of government to merely serving the interests of corporations. They are the ones who have openly criticized the very viewpoints their party at one time embraced, as socialism creeping it's way into liberties. Sorry, but there's no liberal comparison on that scale that you can pin on the opposing party. Nope.

Probably because the Democrats have historically been extremist nuts. The Republicans have only been going that route in the last 20 years or so.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Probably because the Democrats have historically been extremist nuts. The Republicans have only been going that route in the last 20 years or so.

What extremist positions has the Democratic Party taken? List a few so I can understand why you make such a statement.

[GandD 5,966]

I'm sorry, but the two parties are not equal footing when it comes to embracing extremist viewpoints as a party. The Republican Party has as a group, openly questioned the patriotism of Americans who don't share their POV. They have reduced the role of government to merely serving the interests of corporations. They are the ones who have openly criticized the very viewpoints their party at one time embraced, as socialism creeping it's way into liberties. Sorry, but there's no liberal comparison on that scale that you can pin on the opposing party. Nope.

For sure they have different tactics and I would agree that the right is far more harsh in their rhetoric. If not conservative, you're unamerican, a pu$$y, elitist, limp wristed, or communist.

If you're a conservative, the other side will call you dumb, nut job, fascist, evil, zealot. You're not going to see the comparison because you're on the liberal side and you likely think conservatives ARE all the things I just listed.

Why am I defending Republicans?

Anyway, my point was more that parties move wherever the most voters are likely to meet them and that ideologies don't matter as you have clearly demonstrated People don't read party polices, they listen to Fox or MSNBC or whatever and identify themselves based on which party is closest to their preconceived notions as a whole or in many cases a single issue that matters a lot to them.

[Karee 4,189]

What extremist positions has the Democratic Party taken? List a few so I can understand why you make such a statement.

I'll look around. Right off the top of my head forced union membership comes to mind. Maybe the war on poverty.

[RGinWA 816]

What extremist positions has the Democratic Party taken? List a few so I can understand why you make such a statement.

That would be some serious research project; mainly because the most extremist thing proposed recently is registering guns...dear lord, that would take away my rights!

I propose stopping all registration, vehicle licensing, drivers licensing, draft registration, voters registration...etc

Do not tread on my freedom!

I'll look around. Right off the top of my head forced union membership comes to mind. Maybe the war on poverty.

War on poverty? Really? Hahaha!

Moral majority my @ss...lol

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'll look around. Right off the top of my head forced union membership comes to mind. Maybe the war on poverty.

There is no such thing as forced union membership - it's against the law. All you can be compelled to do is pay partial dues (~25%) if you work in a union represented shop. You pay for the representation and reap the benefits of. That's it. All the other noise is just that - noise. And what in the world is wrong with making the fight against poverty a policy priority? Are you suggesting Republicans want to support and create more poverty? They should make a point to specifically list that in their platform.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Karee 4,189]

That would be some serious research project; mainly because the most extremist thing proposed recently is registering guns...dear lord, that would take away my rights!

I propose stopping all registration, vehicle licensing, drivers licensing, draft registration, voters registration...etc

Do not tread on my freedom!

War on poverty? Really? Hahaha!

Moral majority my @ss...lol

I'm glad you're here to confirm alot of sterotypes people have. You sound like my moron ex-brother in law that got re-married to a teacher and now he's an expert on education and teacher's unions.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That would be some serious research project; mainly because the most extremist thing proposed recently is registering guns...dear lord, that would take away my rights!

I propose stopping all registration, vehicle licensing, drivers licensing, draft registration, voters registration...etc

Do not tread on my freedom!

You should consider joining the sovereign citizen crowd.

[Karee 4,189]

There is no such thing as forced union membership - it's against the law. All you can be compelled to do is pay partial dues (~25%) if you work in a union represented shop. All the other noise is just that - noise. And what in the world is wrong with making the fight against poverty a policy priority? Are you suggesting Republicans want to support and create more poverty? They should make a point to specifically list that in their platform.

War on poverty has been a complete failure. Probably should label it surrender to poverty.

Yeah forced union membership is against the law. That's funny. You know that's B.S. We had this conversation months ago.

[RGinWA 816]

I'm glad you're here to confirm alot of sterotypes people have. You sound like my moron ex-brother in law that got re-married to a teacher and now he's an expert on education and teacher's unions.

Sounds like your family irritates you a little...lol

I know getting paid a decent wage is a horrible idea. If not for unions you'd all be under the thumb of a company with no recourse. But go ahead and deny all the labor laws they instituted on your behalf.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

War on poverty has been a complete failure. Probably should label it surrender to poverty.

Yeah forced union membership is against the law. That's funny. You know that's B.S. We had this conversation months ago.

It's not BS. It's against the law. Doesn't matter what conversation you had. It's against the law.

I don't know that the war on poverty is a failure. We used to have a significant portion of seniors in poverty. Along came Social Security and Medicare and seniors are much less likely to live in poverty today than they have been prior to these programs being implemented. That's a success in the war on poverty. There are areas where the programs do not produce results. There are areas where we must take different approaches. But the war on poverty itself is a noble and worthwhile policy priority. Don't confuse execution and goal.