GOP Candidate Opposes Abortion Exception In Cases Of ‘The Rape Thing’

[one...two...tree 2,762]

John Koster, a Republican running for Congress in Washington, became the latest candidate to opine on abortion exceptions in cases of rape and incest over the weekend at a fundraiser with Rep. Tom Price (R-GA). Koster said he would support abortion only if the woman's life was in danger, but would not extend the same right to women who are survivors of incest or "the rape thing," as he casually termed it. To justify his opposition, Koster insisted that incest is rare and argued that abortion would only further hurt rape survivors:

Incest is so rare, I mean, it's

so

rare. But the rape thing…you know, I know a woman who was raped and kept her child, gave it up for adoption, she doesn't regret it.

In fact, she's a big pro-life proponent. But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's the consequence of this crime, how does that make it better? You know what I mean?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/31/1120251/gop-candidate-opposes-abortion-exceptions-in-cases-of-the-rape-thing/

[Danno 1,228]

Steve why are you at war with your church on this matter?

This guy seems to believe what even the whole of Christianity have always believed and that is "life is sacred" no one has the right to take it except to prevent a greater evil.

Heck even the Hippocratic oath that doctors swear to forbids it.

It is shameless to use women as implements of political war.

Come home to your faith Steve we await you.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're right, Danno. It is a faith decision and a personal one. And for the record, the Catholic Church is opposed to ALL abortions except where mother's life is in danger. So even a young girl who gets raped by her father, the Church would say that is not a reason to have an abortion. These Republican candidates know they can't say that because no one would vote for them.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

John Koster, a Republican running for Congress in Washington, became the latest candidate to opine on abortion exceptions in cases of rape and incest over the weekend at a fundraiser with Rep. Tom Price (R-GA). Koster said he would support abortion only if the woman's life was in danger, but would not extend the same right to women who are survivors of incest or "the rape thing," as he casually termed it. To justify his opposition, Koster insisted that incest is rare and argued that abortion would only further hurt rape survivors:

Incest is so rare, I mean, it's

so

rare. But the rape thing…you know, I know a woman who was raped and kept her child, gave it up for adoption, she doesn't regret it.

In fact, she's a big pro-life proponent. But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's the consequence of this crime, how does that make it better? You know what I mean?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/31/1120251/gop-candidate-opposes-abortion-exceptions-in-cases-of-the-rape-thing/

And you are the one that wants him to run your health care.

[Danno 1,228]

You're right, Danno. It is a faith decision and a personal one. And for the record, the Catholic Church is opposed to ALL abortions except where mother's life is in danger. So even a young girl who gets raped by her father, the Church would say that is not a reason to have an abortion. These Republican candidates know they can't say that because no one would vote for them.

No, it's not just a "faith decision" anymore than Churches being against Slavery was a faith issue. Sometimes faith is reason enough to take a stand but for many people they realize we are talking about human life... with it's own DNA

and if you would not give a criminal the Electric chair with out a great certainty of guilt and with much reflection ....and regulation so we should be slow to extinguish any Human life form. (MOst especially the Innocent)

This commitment to humanity is not shacked to religion in the least, nor should it be private and personal.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

John Koster, a Republican running for Congress in Washington, became the latest candidate to opine on abortion exceptions in cases of rape and incest over the weekend at a fundraiser with Rep. Tom Price (R-GA). Koster said he would support abortion only if the woman's life was in danger, but would not extend the same right to women who are survivors of incest or "the rape thing," as he casually termed it. To justify his opposition, Koster insisted that incest is rare and argued that abortion would only further hurt rape survivors:

Incest is so rare, I mean, it's

so

rare. But the rape thing…you know, I know a woman who was raped and kept her child, gave it up for adoption, she doesn't regret it.

In fact, she's a big pro-life proponent. But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's the consequence of this crime, how does that make it better? You know what I mean?

http://thinkprogress...the-rape-thing/

I find the Republican parties stance against a woman's reproductive systems rights equally offensive as I find the Democratic parties stance on my choice as to how I spend my hard earned money. I find denying birth control just as offensive as forcing your neighbor to pay for it,

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Paul Ryan approves of this candidate's message. Remember, rape is not so much a crime as it is a method of conception.

[james&olya 1,121]

No, it's not just a "faith decision" anymore than Churches being against Slavery was a faith issue. Sometimes faith is reason enough to take a stand but for many people they realize we are talking about human life... with it's own DNA

and if you would not give a criminal the Electric chair with out a great certainty of guilt and with much reflection ....and regulation so we should be slow to extinguish any Human life form. (MOst especially the Innocent)

This commitment to humanity is not shacked to religion in the least, nor should it be private and personal.

It IS a personal, moral decision. Unless the government has a clear reason to be involved, morality and moral decisions should be made by the individual in a free society! Why are you so opposed to freedom? If your faith forbids abortion than don't have one under any circumstance. But what gives you the idea that you are so special you can start making moral decisions for other people?

Issues of laws and legality pertain to 'persons' and that is not a legal status that embryos and zygotes have.

[웃 910]

It IS a personal, moral decision. Unless the government has a clear reason to be involved, morality and moral decisions should be made by the individual in a free society! Why are you so opposed to freedom? If your faith forbids abortion than don't have one under any circumstance. But what gives you the idea that you are so special you can start making moral decisions for other people?

Issues of laws and legality pertain to 'persons' and that is not a legal status that embryos and zygotes have.

Corporations, embryos, and zygotes are people too.

[Danno 1,228]

It IS a personal, moral decision. Unless the government has a clear reason to be involved, morality and moral decisions should be made by the individual in a free society! Why are you so opposed to freedom? If your faith forbids abortion than don't have one under any circumstance. But what gives you the idea that you are so special you can start making moral decisions for other people?

Issues of laws and legality pertain to 'persons' and that is not a legal status that embryos and zygotes have.

You know we hear these same vacuous positions from people who really must know better so whats to be said when the reality of Law, tradition and science can some how be dumbed down to a slogan such as "freedom">?

Okay whatever, the Supreme court and many states have already "trampled" all over freedom by restricting abortions and even setting up limits to how and when they can be done.

In your mind it's a "personal" thing but the Law says something completely otherwise.

If you care to wade into a real conversation, debate what those limits are and what you think they should be because your concept of abortion=freedom is silly. (and a little beneath you of all people).

[Dakine10 5,452]

This guy seems to believe what even the whole of Christianity have always believed and that is "life is sacred" no one has the right to take it except to prevent a greater evil.

It's a shame that the first amendment treats the issue of separation of church and state in terms of freedom of religion. It really should have focused more on freedom from religion.

[Danno 1,228]

It's a shame that the first amendment treats the issue of separation of church and state in terms of freedom of religion. It really should have focused more on freedom from religion.

Bet you would..... then folks like you and Obama could decide what Rights are allowable.

If it will make you feel better, there are a number of countries which have the exact model you long for.... ours on the other hand in unique in that way.

I know it's tough to accept that faith in God (though no specific church) is at the very core of our founding... and our continued history.

Just one example is the many state Constitutions.... all written by different men at at different times (some in living memory) and in different parts of the country yet they all seem to have one theme in common, can you guess what it is?

Ohh okay I'll give ya the answer.

(see if you can find your state.)

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the

favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following

Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to

those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to

Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful

to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,

grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence

for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with

gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,

the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the

dictates

of

their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to

Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this

Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection

and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine

Guidance . establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful

to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath

so

long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our

endeavors

.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to

Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of

government

..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the

Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence

on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God

for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to

Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful

to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful

hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us

an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful

to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts,

acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of

the

Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly

imploring His

direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful

to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,

grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to

perpetuate

its

blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention

assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence

for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..

establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God

for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our

freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural

and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own

conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,

grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so

long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our

endeavors

.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful

to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,

grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,

political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon

Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our

common

..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to

secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure

in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of

their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly

invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island

grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath

so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South

Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this

Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to

Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible

right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their

conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,

with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we

establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the

individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other

blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe

our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual

duty

of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each

other

...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,

grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain

this

Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the

blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West

Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty

God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to

God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this

Constitution .

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Why can't these people shut up about rape? Haven't enough of them said something stupid about the topic yet?

[Danno 1,228]

Why can't these people shut up about rape? Haven't enough of them said something stupid about the topic yet?

Steller observation!

I guess when one is ginning up a "war on women" theme for the 2012 campaign

These questions will be asked again and again until the sound-bite is given.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Steller observation!

I guess when one is ginning up a "war on women" theme for the 2012 campaign

These questions will be asked again and again until the sound-bite is given.

So it's someone else's fault that these men insist on making these ridiculously offensive statements?