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ok, I am preparing the initial application packet and going through all the details. I did not see where it asks for proof on an ongoing relationship but I will submit some. while I was in Ecuador recently I got hundreds of photos of us together, I have screen captures of video chat, I have copies of emails, I have copies of msn messenger conversations, I have many hundreds of receipts for things like movies together, eating out, purchases for things I bought her and also things I bought her family, a lot of receipts of purchases. I have Western Union receipts of money transfers, I have my credit card statements showing what I spent and where while I was recently in Ecuador for 3 months. I have copies of my airline tickets, copies of my passport, receipt for her engagement ring, receipts for purchasing our website domain as well as screen captures of our mutual website and a website I created just for her. receipts of paying her dental bills, bus trip receipts to other places in Ecuador. A statement showing a joint account in Ecuador(would that even be helpful since they probably do not want me having money in a foreign bank anyway) I also have her added to my credit card account and she is listed on that account.

Anyway, I have a lot of information and at what point is it just too much to send? Will someone look at it and think it is too much? Maybe "less is more" and just having what is needed to meet the requirements?

any advice is greatly appreciated, I really want to make sure I get this right the first itme.

Thank you very much!

Wade

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ok, I am preparing the initial application packet and going through all the details. I did not see where it asks for proof on an ongoing relationship but I will submit some. while I was in Ecuador recently I got hundreds of photos of us together, I have screen captures of video chat, I have copies of emails, I have copies of msn messenger conversations, I have many hundreds of receipts for things like movies together, eating out, purchases for things I bought her and also things I bought her family, a lot of receipts of purchases. I have Western Union receipts of money transfers, I have my credit card statements showing what I spent and where while I was recently in Ecuador for 3 months. I have copies of my airline tickets, copies of my passport, receipt for her engagement ring, receipts for purchasing our website domain as well as screen captures of our mutual website and a website I created just for her. receipts of paying her dental bills, bus trip receipts to other places in Ecuador. A statement showing a joint account in Ecuador(would that even be helpful since they probably do not want me having money in a foreign bank anyway) I also have her added to my credit card account and she is listed on that account.

Anyway, I have a lot of information and at what point is it just too much to send? Will someone look at it and think it is too much? Maybe "less is more" and just having what is needed to meet the requirements?

any advice is greatly appreciated, I really want to make sure I get this right the first itme.

Thank you very much!

Wade

Just make sure it is in some kind of order. Send as much as you want but have it organized. Having a cover sheet listing everything and having it easy to read is what will make it easier on the Adjucator to sort through and read. Best of luck!!



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Marriage: 7/12/10
Filed I-130: 9/10/12
NOA1: 9/17/12
Transferred to NBC: 9/19/12
Sent to local office for adjudication: 9/21/12
RFE for Beneficiary BC received 12/13/12
Mail BC in response to RFE 12/17/12
NOA2: 12/20/12
NVC case number assigned: 1/29/13
Sent DS-3032 email: 1/31/13
Received DS-3032 / I-864 Bill: 2/1/13
Pay I-864 Bill: 2/5/13
NVC Accepted DS-3032: 2/12/13
Received IV Bill: 2/13/13
Send Completed I-864: 2/16/13
NVC Received I-864 Package: 2/19/13
AOS Package accepted: 2/26/13
Pay IV Bill: 2/28/13
IV Packet Sent: 3/2/13
NVC Received IV Packet: 3/4/13
Case Completed at NVC: 3/13/13
Interview date: 4/30/13

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Filed: Country: Ecuador
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OK thank you, I will include what I think is good information and may leave out things like all the receipts for going to the movies, dinner and all those small details.

Just make sure it is in some kind of order. Send as much as you want but have it organized. Having a cover sheet listing everything and having it easy to read is what will make it easier on the Adjucator to sort through and read. Best of luck!!

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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As insight for those who are reading this thread, it's crucial for Ecuador filers to front-load USCIS petitions with "evidence of bona fide relationship." USCIS will not care about this information, but the Guayaquil consulate most certainly will. Front-loading of petitions is a way to circumvent a ####### consulate's practice of refusing to accept evidence that's brought to an interview and then refusing the visa because of the lack of such proof. (Consulates are not supposed to refuse visas on the basis of evidence that USCIS has seen.) Guayaquil is a ####### consulate.

The OP is proceeding very wisely indeed in this instance, and he's to be applauded for heeding the alarms of those who preceded him, si man.


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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ok, I am preparing the initial application packet and going through all the details. I did not see where it asks for proof on an ongoing relationship but I will submit some. while I was in Ecuador recently I got hundreds of photos of us together, I have screen captures of video chat, I have copies of emails, I have copies of msn messenger conversations, I have many hundreds of receipts for things like movies together, eating out, purchases for things I bought her and also things I bought her family, a lot of receipts of purchases. I have Western Union receipts of money transfers, I have my credit card statements showing what I spent and where while I was recently in Ecuador for 3 months. I have copies of my airline tickets, copies of my passport, receipt for her engagement ring, receipts for purchasing our website domain as well as screen captures of our mutual website and a website I created just for her. receipts of paying her dental bills, bus trip receipts to other places in Ecuador. A statement showing a joint account in Ecuador(would that even be helpful since they probably do not want me having money in a foreign bank anyway) I also have her added to my credit card account and she is listed on that account.

Anyway, I have a lot of information and at what point is it just too much to send? Will someone look at it and think it is too much? Maybe "less is more" and just having what is needed to meet the requirements?

any advice is greatly appreciated, I really want to make sure I get this right the first itme.

Thank you very much!

Wade

Hard to give the correct feedback without knowing what you are petitioning for K-1 or I-130. However, you seem to have enough evidence to file your petition. I would ask someone in your consulate about the bank/credit card accounts, receipts of paying her dental bills, and Western Union receipts as some take it you are paying the beneficiary.


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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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my advice is to heed the advice of TBoneTX and others who have gone through Guayaquil. We did this and were successful. I suggest being super organized and clear in the packet you send - label/highlight items for easy review, provide evidence in a logical manner and make it easy for people to see your story.

I dug up my old documents and in case it's helpful, this is what we sent for evidence in the original K-1 App packet:

- for the i-129f supplement i provided a full description of every single meeting we had, including the times we were in ecuador together as well as trips elsewhere

- i had a section called evidence of meetings:

Evidence of Meetings (6 meetings):

• Passport Stamps (6 pages incl. photo/info page)

• Boarding Passes (5 pages)

• Hotel Receipts/Invoices (15 pages)

• Entry Tickets/Receipts etc. (5 pages)

• E-Tickets (9 pages)

• Hotel reservation confirmations (5 pages)

• Credit Card & Bank Statements to show payments of hotels, travel, etc. (17 pages)

• Cell bill detail showing roaming during each meeting (8 pages)

- i had a section for photos:

Photos

(67 photos from all 6 meetings)

- then i had a section called further evidence of relationship:

Further Evidence of Ongoing Relationship

• Paid flight tickets & itinerary for upcoming trip to Peru (4 pages)

• Skype Account info (17 pages)

o main account page showing username, balance, latest calls

o Skype To Go page showing my Skype number and Jose’s number

o Skype purchase history

o Skype call history (14 pages)

• Skype Video Info – video call log and screenshots (12 pages)

• Cell phone call detail pages to show calls and SMS (66 pages – double sided)

• Sample SMS messages (17 pages)

• Email Inbox listing of messages between us & sample emails (24 pages)

• Sample handwritten notes/card from Jose Luis (6 pages)

• Receipts from Spanish classes (1 page)

• Letters in Support of Relationship (4 pages)


Immigration Process

Detailed version on my "About Me" page

01/13/2010: K-1 Interview - VIsa Approved!

05/10/2010: Wedding Day!

01/11/2011: AOS Approved!

05/03/2013: ROC Approved!

08/06/2014: Interview - CITIZENSHIP APPROVED!

08/19/2014: Oath Ceremony

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I dug up my old documents and in case it's helpful, this is what we sent for evidence in the original K-1 App packet [...]
This, si man. :thumbs:

Atop the stack of "bona fide relationship" stuff that USCIS normally wouldn't care about, put a cover sheet with big lettering (perhaps in Magic Marker) that says something like this: "USCIS -- please ensure that every scrap of the following is sent to the Guayaquil consulate if the I-129F petition is approved. This is crucial."


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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ok I mailed the packet, I did not include everything for evidence, it was too much and seemed overwhelming. What I did mail ended up being 58 pages total. I made a copy of every page sent.

What I did include was:

a screen capture of the email headers showing correspondence back and forth, I did not send emails themselves.

a few screen capture shots of video chats, some in April and some this month.

a receipt of the engagement ring.

screen capture of our mutual website

screen capture of a website I created for her

screen capture of our blog page

copy of my airline ticket for my recent trip there

copy of my passport showing my two trips to Ecuador this year

I created "contact sheets" of photos, 3 8.5 x 11 glossy photo paper sheets with 9 photos per sheet showing us together as we traveled around Ecuador as we as photos of us together with her family and her extended family.

billing history from Google voice showing telephone calls to her phone (it costs 1 cent per minute for her to call me, but costs me 22 cents a minute to call her)

Western Union receipts for sending money

That is the "proof of ongoing relationship" I sent. I have a lot more but thought that would be sufficient for now and can provide more later.

OK so I guess the next step is just wait and see what happens!

thank you to everyone in this group for helping me be prepared for this. I thought it would be an easy process when I first met her. I thought "hey lets get married and you come back to the US with me", well there has been a big wake up call!

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You did well, si man. I'd have left out the WU receipts, but no matter. This is solid front-loading.

This would have been a lot less intricate were you not dealing with Guayaquil, sigh man.

Thank you for heeding the alarms -- some petitioners don't, and they live to regret it. Continue to build evidence, optimally through more visits. When you know your interview date, make sure that you're there for it, even if (so to speak) you're dead and they have to dig you up for that purpose, because the consulate will accept no excuse. Be sure to be in Guayaquil for at least a full day beforehand (the consulate is known for calling on the morning of the interview to say "get down here NOW, or we'll hose you"), and definitely take fotos then. At that time and until then, we're here for you, si man. :thumbs:


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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