Obama turns on long time US ally for fear of China

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

http://news.yahoo.com/u-refuses-taiwan-request-jets-report-154423060.html

U.S. refuses Taiwan request for new jets: report

By Faith Hung and Andrew Quinn | Reuters – 12 hrs ago

TAIPEI/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has refused Taiwan's request for 66 new Lockheed Martin F-16C/D fighter jets which China had warned Washington would risk inflaming tensions between the two big powers, Defense News reported, citing a Taiwan defense official.

Taiwan has repeatedly asked Washington to agree to sell the advanced F-16 fighter jets, citing the need to counter the growing military strength of China, which deems the island a breakaway province that must eventually accept reunification, by force if necessary.

Laura Siebert, Lockheed Martin's spokeswoman for the F-16 program, had no immediate comment on the Defense News report.

Neither Washington nor Taipei has made any formal announcement about the latest call for the fighters.

A State Department official said no decisions have been made on potential arms sales to Taiwan.

Defense News (http://www.defensenews.com) said on Sunday that Taiwan had been told there would be no sale, citing Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense.

"We are so disappointed in the United States," the report quoted an unnamed Taiwan defense official as saying.

"A U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) delegation arrived here last week to deliver the news and offer instead a retrofit package for (Taiwan's) older F-16A/Bs," the journal reported from Taipei.

The proposed $4.2 billion upgrade package would make the 146 Taiwanese F-16A/Bs among the most capable variants of the aircraft, the report said.

The new gear would include an AESA radar, likely either Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar or the Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar, it said.

Any fresh U.S. arms support to Taiwan is likely to raise hackles in Beijing, but the advanced fighter jets have been an especially touchy point for China, which this week will host U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.

The bitter debate in the U.S. Congress over spending and the downgrade of the U.S. sovereign credit rating by Standard & Poor's drew blunt criticism from China's state media, including a commentary that said the U.S. debt woes reflected its military overreach abroad.

Taiwan's Defense Ministry said it could not comment on the report, as it had not heard from the United States.

"However, we want to point out that the Republic of China (Taiwan) does hope the sale of new F-16C/D fighter aircraft will go through. We are in urgent need of the aircraft," Spokesman Luo shou-he told Reuters.

SENSITIVE ISSUE

The United States switched diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to China in 1979 and recognizes Beijing's "one China" policy. But it is also Taiwan's biggest ally and arms supplier and is duty-bound by legislation to help the island in the event of attack.

Washington had been set to make a decision by October on Taiwan's oft-repeated request for the fighter jets, balancing its legal obligations to Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act against the need to avoid upsets with a major creditor and trading partner, China.

"Frankly, it is not a real surprise. The real surprise is that they sold them the F-16s in the first place," said Richard Bitzinger, a senior fellow and regional defense expert at Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

But Bitzinger said it was not a total victory for Beijing because a potential upgrade to existing fighters would go a long way in covering Taiwan's loss of a new batch of F-16s.

"The types of upgrades they are talking about would make them the most advanced F-16s in the world. This is a significant upgrade, and I am sure a lot of that work will go to Taiwanese companies. In that regard, it may be a better deal," he said.

The Obama administration's decision to move forward with a set of arms sales to Taiwan last year triggered an angry response from Beijing, which curtailed many military contacts and threatened to sanction companies involved in the sales.

Since then, Beijing and Washington have patched up ties, but the potential sale of more U.S. weapons to Taiwan remains a sensitive issue.

In May, a visiting Chinese military commander warned against any future U.S. arms sales to Taiwan. And recently, a popular tabloid linked to China's Communist Party's mouthpiece argued that China should use its "financial weapon to slap Washington" over any arms sales to Taiwan.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It's obvious China is now the #1 world power. Obama has made us look like a bunch of second rate boot licking zero's in front of the entire world. Respect? Kiss it goodbye. American jobs? Not a priority...let China call the shots on who builds what planes and for who.

Edited August 16, 2011 by Why_Me

[dalegg 143]

counter the growing military strength of China?

China has over 2500 air craft. Just what does Taiwan think its going to do if China decides to finally attack with 66 more planes? By the time any dog fighting ever started, it would be over for Taiwan.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

counter the growing military strength of China?

China has over 2500 air craft. Just what does Taiwan think its going to do if China decides to finally attack with 66 more planes? By the time any dog fighting ever started, it would be over for Taiwan.

It seems to work for North Korea doesn't it? Then again unlike North Korea, Taiwan didn't bombard a South Korean island last year killing several civilians using Chinese supplied ordnance.

Edited August 16, 2011 by Why_Me

[mawilson 2,133]

Very disappointing.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Taiwan just needs to go buy jets from a country willing to sell to it. I am sure a few countries could use the jobs and money.

[SMR 368]

Taiwan just needs to go buy jets from a country willing to sell to it. I am sure a few countries could use the jobs and money.

Precisely. This is not just about the government turning its back on Taiwan. It's also turning its back on government contractors who would make millions on these deals.

[The_Dude 1,142]

It seems to work for North Korea doesn't it? Then again unlike North Korea, Taiwan didn't bombard a South Korean island last year killing several civilians using Chinese supplied ordnance.

N. Korea has nuclear weapon capabilities, that is the only thing that keeps them from being bombarded. That is the only way that Taiwan would be able to actually deter China from invading as well, but that's a road I'd rather not go down.

[slim 1,530]

It's obvious China is now the #1 world power.

I don't know if it's obvious, but what's obvious is Obama has no problem appeasing everyone.

China has over 2500 air craft. Just what does Taiwan think its going to do if China decides to finally attack with 66 more planes? By the time any dog fighting ever started, it would be over for Taiwan.

Air superiority has very little to do with numbers. You must not be familiar with the F-16 or the rest of Taiwan's military might.

You're probably also forgetting the fact that whenever the dragon starts to growl a US carrier group is parked right between China's mainland and Taiwan. Toss in about 66 more aircraft and it'd be a pretty even battle.

China's air capability, like it's naval might, is still pretty weak. Their sheer numbers are great, and have to be respected, but the capability of what they possess is lacking.

[Azzudiin 26]

China's air capability, like it's naval might, is still pretty weak. Their sheer numbers are great, and have to be respected, but the capability of what they possess is lacking.

Considering China is building and deploying a 5th generation fighter, something only few Countries in the world currently have deployed. I think the above statement is a little off. China is building jets that compare to or are better then the F22 raptor. January or Feb of this year if I remember correctly, some pictures were actually captured of their 5th generation fighter.