Very strange interview requirement / request

[Joyce and Chris 1]

I have been on VJ viewing various posts for over eight months now. In that time I think I have read every post regarding interviews to try and get my sweetie ready for anything. Well today we got blindsided by two different items that I have never heard of anyone else being asked or requested of.

Here is the background to the two items before I tell you what they are. First of all she is a single mom of a 6 y/o boy. She dated the kid's dad for a short time and they were never married. He has provided well the boy so she never has had any issues raising him. They have always been in contact so it was easy to get the dad's release so she can bring the boy to the States with her. The letter of release is signed and notorized. The second issue is that she has done very well for herself. She has had several good paying jobs that have lead her to buy her own house. She now owns and operates her own business that pays all her bills plus she helps an employee go to college and she helps support the rest of her family. With that said I have never had to support her from the States. I have only sent her money on occassion mainly as a gift to get a facial or massages. I have sent her money to cover all the expenses for the K1 process, medical, interview, flights and hotel to Manila.

OK with that being said her interview was today (yesterday in PI). She had a 6:30 and 6:40 appointment (don't know why the K2 was separate) Her name wasn't called until about 11. She got through the first interview just fine and only took a couple minutes. Now this my sound negative but the US portion of the interview was with an older Chinese/American guy. The interview took about 15 minutes with many questions. He got hung up on two items. One the interviewer wanted to see how I was supporting her now and why I wasn't sending money over to her. He wanted to see receipts from money transfers. She tried to explain the she was self supporting and didn't need my help while she was in PI. So she now is going to try and get printouts from PayPal and Western Union. Now here is the strange on. The interviewer wanted to see a Cenomar from her childs father. HUH?!?!?! I thought all we needed was a letter from the childs father. He also wanted to know the father's mom's madian name, cell phone number, place of birth, and a few other items. Has anyone run into this?

I am just venting right now but these two items seemed very unusual. We are still waiting for the results. If we don't get the visa I will be calling over there and or my congress person. I thought this experience may help others. My fiance had to catch an early flight out so I have not heard the final results yet. She had to go back to the Embassy at 1:30 for a follow up.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I thought if the child was born out of wedlock then the mother had all the rights to the child in the Philippines, and therefore there is no need for him to "sign off" to let the kid travel. In your story, when you said they never married, but he signs off on his kid's stuff, I knew they were going to ask about that. Something weird going on there. Good luck.

Edited August 15, 2011 by Harpa Timsah

[Joyce and Chris 1]

Harpa thanks for the response. Since this is also a K2 I have tried to research all those requirements as well. Everything that I have read states that even if the parents never married that you still needed the letter of release from the father. The thing is her Cenomar is proof she never married. Why do they care if the father was/is married as long as there is a letter?

[~happyndinlove~ 540]

Harpa thanks for the response. Since this is also a K2 I have tried to research all those requirements as well. Everything that I have read states that even if the parents never married that you still needed the letter of release from the father. The thing is her Cenomar is proof she never married. Why do they care if the father was/is married as long as there is a letter?

The CO wants to confirm his Cenomar doesn't show they are married.

[MICHELINSDV 0]

actually when u read the packet it clearly states that one of the requirement is CENOMAR

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

actually when u read the packet it clearly states that one of the requirement is CENOMAR

"any such documents as may be required"

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The CO wants to confirm his Cenomar doesn't show they are married.

They also want to make sure the visa applicant is not using somebody else's identity, or forged the release papers.

[happyblessedme 12]

I have been on VJ viewing various posts for over eight months now. In that time I think I have read every post regarding interviews to try and get my sweetie ready for anything. Well today we got blindsided by two different items that I have never heard of anyone else being asked or requested of.

Here is the background to the two items before I tell you what they are. First of all she is a single mom of a 6 y/o boy. She dated the kid's dad for a short time and they were never married. He has provided well the boy so she never has had any issues raising him. They have always been in contact so it was easy to get the dad's release so she can bring the boy to the States with her. The letter of release is signed and notorized. The second issue is that she has done very well for herself. She has had several good paying jobs that have lead her to buy her own house. She now owns and operates her own business that pays all her bills plus she helps an employee go to college and she helps support the rest of her family. With that said I have never had to support her from the States. I have only sent her money on occassion mainly as a gift to get a facial or massages. I have sent her money to cover all the expenses for the K1 process, medical, interview, flights and hotel to Manila.

OK with that being said her interview was today (yesterday in PI). She had a 6:30 and 6:40 appointment (don't know why the K2 was separate) Her name wasn't called until about 11. She got through the first interview just fine and only took a couple minutes. Now this my sound negative but the US portion of the interview was with an older Chinese/American guy. The interview took about 15 minutes with many questions. He got hung up on two items. One the interviewer wanted to see how I was supporting her now and why I wasn't sending money over to her. He wanted to see receipts from money transfers. She tried to explain the she was self supporting and didn't need my help while she was in PI. So she now is going to try and get printouts from PayPal and Western Union. Now here is the strange on. The interviewer wanted to see a Cenomar from her childs father. HUH?!?!?! I thought all we needed was a letter from the childs father. He also wanted to know the father's mom's madian name, cell phone number, place of birth, and a few other items. Has anyone run into this?

I am just venting right now but these two items seemed very unusual. We are still waiting for the results. If we don't get the visa I will be calling over there and or my congress person. I thought this experience may help others. My fiance had to catch an early flight out so I have not heard the final results yet. She had to go back to the Embassy at 1:30 for a follow up.

The CENOMAR or certificate of NO Marriage is the number 1 requirement for K1. CENOMAR is a proof that they were not married eventhough they have kids together. I had 2 kids before and i was required to submit the CENOMAR.Eventhough the biolobigical father of the child is not married to the mom..ur fiancee still needs the consent of the father for the child to travel outside the country especially he is minor.

Another thing is it appeared weird to me that they ask for money receipts since it is not advisable proof for a K1 applicant..they may ask it but not a requirement really unless it is a CR1 .

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

nother thing is it appeared weird to me that they ask for money receipts since it is not advisable proof for a K1 applicant..they may ask it but not a requirement really unless it is a CR1 .

Remittance receipts are listed as proof of ongoing relationship in the interview instructions.

http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwh3224.html

EVIDENCE OF A GENUINE ENGAGEMENT. You must be prepared to prove to the consular officer that you have a genuine relationship with your petitioner and a clear intention to marry within 90 days of admission into the U.S. In the past, successful applicants have submitted photographs, letters, e-mails, phone records, bank records, and remittance records as evidence supporting their relationships and intent to marry.

If the applicant is paying his/her own way, they suspect fraud.

Edited August 15, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

The CENOMAR for the child's father is a strange request. I assume she did provide HER CENOMAR, right?

I guess it's possible that the CO was confused by the consent form from the father as it is absolutely not required unless she was married to him when the child was born. In the Philippines the mother of a child born out of wedlock has SOLE custody and parental rights to the child even if the father signed that back of the birth certificate acknowledging paternity.

[Messybrownhair 251]

Wow! My hubby did not ever send me any money for k1, I paid for myself.. good thing I was not asked for anything. It may have been because we are the same age and maybe it helped that he was present for my interview. ^.^ very strange.. nevertheless, I know you'll be able to sort it out.. best of luck!

[Jim N Augie 16]

The request for proof of support is understandable. I mean no offense to the people there but I know it is a hard country. They probably don't see many cases where the filipina is so self supporting and they like to see reciepts helping to establish the relationship. Between that and the father also paying support you have a rare situation. There are many girls with annulments there that never see a dime from the Ex and many that are only seperated and never see or hear from the father. If you can show the fiance's income as proof of NO support needed that should help. As for the cenomar if I understand she has her cenomar. Probably the reason they want to see the fathers is that it is not uncommon there to have a marriage not get recorded. It seems to me they are wanting to confirm no marriage took place. Jim.

[Joyce and Chris 1]

The CENOMAR for the child's father is a strange request. I assume she did provide HER CENOMAR, right?

I guess it's possible that the CO was confused by the consent form from the father as it is absolutely not required unless she was married to him when the child was born. In the Philippines the mother of a child born out of wedlock has SOLE custody and parental rights to the child even if the father signed that back of the birth certificate acknowledging paternity.

Yes, she showed them her own Cenomar. I have just never seen any stories on here with this situation. She still communicates with the father and they are on good terms. So it would have been no problem getting a Cenomar from the father. I just have never seen anywhere were it states it is required. Now I understand that is kid is involved and I am all for the extra precautions but they need to list them somewhere.

The money one baffles me. Basically our great American Embassy doesn't believe a single mother over there can raise a child on her own without help! She is very smart and independent and doesn't need my help. My IRS forms and W-2's should be more than enough evidense of support when she gets here. Yes I have sent money from time to time as well as gifts and also given her all the money I had after my two trips over there. But once again, is supporting her while she is still in PI a requirement?

Sorry, I am just frustrated.

Again the main reason of posting this is for the benefit for others who maybe in the same situation.

[rheanick 42]

Yes, she showed them her own Cenomar. I have just never seen any stories on here with this situation. She still communicates with the father and they are on good terms. So it would have been no problem getting a Cenomar from the father. I just have never seen anywhere were it states it is required. Now I understand that is kid is involved and I am all for the extra precautions but they need to list them somewhere.

The money one baffles me. Basically our great American Embassy doesn't believe a single mother over there can raise a child on her own without help! She is very smart and independent and doesn't need my help. My IRS forms and W-2's should be more than enough evidense of support when she gets here. Yes I have sent money from time to time as well as gifts and also given her all the money I had after my two trips over there. But once again, is supporting her while she is still in PI a requirement?

Sorry, I am just frustrated.

Again the main reason of posting this is for the benefit for others who maybe in the same situation.

I was not supported by my fiance when i was in the Philippines. To be blunt, i find it insulting for a guy who is not my husband to support me or my family.

My experience, the first interviewer who was a filipino was the one who insisted that i should show my remittances to her. When i told her that i dont have any, she insisted on it. The interviewer received several Nos from me. On my last No, i knew she could hear from my voice and see from my face that i'm already irritated. It was then she said that remittances is a common thing in american-filipina relationship. Guess, there are only few of us filipinas who does not accept support from the USC during the courtship period.

For the second interview, the CO was a white american woman. It was an easy inteview and i got approved immediately. She did not even bother to ask for remittances. I used to work from a fortune 200 company and the CO knew that i am financially stable.

If your fiancee does not have any remittances then she should insist that she has none. IF they really asked for it, then let her show her philippines annual income to prove that she is financially stable.

[wine 1]

I have been on VJ viewing various posts for over eight months now. In that time I think I have read every post regarding interviews to try and get my sweetie ready for anything. Well today we got blindsided by two different items that I have never heard of anyone else being asked or requested of.

Here is the background to the two items before I tell you what they are. First of all she is a single mom of a 6 y/o boy. She dated the kid's dad for a short time and they were never married. He has provided well the boy so she never has had any issues raising him. They have always been in contact so it was easy to get the dad's release so she can bring the boy to the States with her. The letter of release is signed and notorized. The second issue is that she has done very well for herself. She has had several good paying jobs that have lead her to buy her own house. She now owns and operates her own business that pays all her bills plus she helps an employee go to college and she helps support the rest of her family. With that said I have never had to support her from the States. I have only sent her money on occassion mainly as a gift to get a facial or massages. I have sent her money to cover all the expenses for the K1 process, medical, interview, flights and hotel to Manila.

OK with that being said her interview was today (yesterday in PI). She had a 6:30 and 6:40 appointment (don't know why the K2 was separate) Her name wasn't called until about 11. She got through the first interview just fine and only took a couple minutes. Now this my sound negative but the US portion of the interview was with an older Chinese/American guy. The interview took about 15 minutes with many questions. He got hung up on two items. One the interviewer wanted to see how I was supporting her now and why I wasn't sending money over to her. He wanted to see receipts from money transfers. She tried to explain the she was self supporting and didn't need my help while she was in PI. So she now is going to try and get printouts from PayPal and Western Union. Now here is the strange on. The interviewer wanted to see a Cenomar from her childs father. HUH?!?!?! I thought all we needed was a letter from the childs father. He also wanted to know the father's mom's madian name, cell phone number, place of birth, and a few other items. Has anyone run into this?

I am just venting right now but these two items seemed very unusual. We are still waiting for the results. If we don't get the visa I will be calling over there and or my congress person. I thought this experience may help others. My fiance had to catch an early flight out so I have not heard the final results yet. She had to go back to the Embassy at 1:30 for a follow up.