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[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

The immigration process is changed little in the last century. The look at paper records and ask a series of question in order to try to detect fraud. The art of defrauding has advanced by light years and these soulless characters can lie without a visible tell. Immigration needs to bring it's interrogation technique that is more advanced.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

If .....

forms have been filled out correctly, fees have been payed, stated qualifications have been met and regulations adhered to, if everything but the kitchen sink has been brought to the CO for supporting evidence, long AP has shown to bring no FACT of fraud to light, why on earth does a CO still have all the power to go on a hunch that something may be off and deny ? This so called "gut feeling" of a CO having seen the beneficiary for 10 minutes is not factual but a "feeling" without any concrete factual basis. Perhaps a colonoscopy would help relieve that situation.

I am sick and tired of reading about genuine couples being denied from "certain" countries, no valid reasons given but denials shrouded in a veil of mystery, an additional year to get or not get a NOID, why is there any question that this system is not broken ?

If fraud is found, then great, deny. If fraud is not found during long AP then approve.

The fact that CO's go by mere gut feelings is not only unfair but goes against their own regulations to have reasonable doubt and factual based evidence.

If age difference is a factor, if only 1 or 2 visits are a factor, ( insert every other red flag ) then it makes sense to state it along with other non qualifying points on the USCIS or embassy web site. Just put it in writing : Visas not approved for more than 5 years age differences. Visas not approved with only 1-2 visits. Put it out there. Don't make up the law as you go along and go on gut "feelings" just because you are dealing with a Nigerian or Vietnamese, Indian or Pakistani ( insert country of choice ). Don't approve one applicant and deny another with identical red flags 30 minutes later. Therein lies the double standard. It is prejudice, presumptuous and for all we know they may have an unknown denial quota to meet that we are not even aware of. Especially for Africans. So,we as petitioners and beneficiaries have our good faith expectations when we enter into this visa journey, we read the web sites and jump through 100 blazing hoops on fire, run through 'what the heck moments' like obstacle courses and the CO's have their little gas bubble -hunch- gut feelings and deny. How is that fair and decent ? It is broken bureaucracy without checks and balances. Give people a factual reason, send the case back and don't sit on it for a year. This should be done in a reasonable time frame without all the games.That is my perspective and I stand by it.

[jenkatx 52]

The immigration process is changed little in the last century. The look at paper records and ask a series of question in order to try to detect fraud. The art of defrauding has advanced by light years and these soulless characters can lie without a visible tell. Immigration needs to bring it's interrogation technique that is more advanced.

Unfortunately that is not possible. There is no magical question or technique to detect the fraudsters, as you know. That is why we need stronger laws for dealing with them at a later time. Maybe the 90 days needs to be extended. Or the time to removal of conditions? Maybe the wait needs to be 10 years. The average 23 year old doesn't mind wasting 5 years to get to their goal, but 10 years? That is a long time no matter your age. Ultimately it is our responsibility to determine whether these people are using us or genuinely love us. My opinion is that if we are convinced of that then it is not any governments right to tell us we can't be with our loved ones here at our home (of course health, criminal record, etc... to be taken into account). Really what do they lose by allowing these people to come here? It is not like they are on welfare, we aren't paying for them with our taxes. If the issue is numbers then they can end the diversity lottery and open more family based visas, or roll over the unused ones, or use those from the countries who do not use their allotment.

The other issue is that people are so quick to cry fraud every time someone divorces. As I stated before many times it is not fraud but cultural differences, or normal marital issues that cause the break up. Every single situation is different and we can not always cry fraud when a marriage ends.

If .....

forms have been filled out correctly, fees have been payed, stated qualifications have been met and regulations adhered to, if everything but the kitchen sink has been brought to the CO for supporting evidence, long AP has shown to bring no FACT of fraud to light, why on earth does a CO still have all the power to go on a hunch that something may be off and deny ? This so called "gut feeling" of a CO having seen the beneficiary for 10 minutes is not factual but a "feeling" without any concrete factual basis. Perhaps a colonoscopy would help relieve that situation.

I am sick and tired of reading about genuine couples being denied from "certain" countries, no valid reasons given but denials shrouded in a veil of mystery, an additional year to get or not get a NOID, why is there any question that this system is not broken ?

If fraud is found, then great, deny. If fraud is not found during long AP then approve.

The fact that CO's go by mere gut feelings is not only unfair but goes against their own regulations to have reasonable doubt and factual based evidence.

If age difference is a factor, if only 1 or 2 visits are a factor, ( insert every other red flag ) then it makes sense to state it along with other non qualifying points on the USCIS or embassy web site. Just put it in writing : Visas not approved for more than 5 years age differences. Visas not approved with only 1-2 visits. Put it out there. Don't make up the law as you go along and go on gut "feelings" just because you are dealing with a Nigerian or Vietnamese, Indian or Pakistani ( insert country of choice ). Don't approve one applicant and deny another with identical red flags 30 minutes later. Therein lies the double standard. It is prejudice, presumptuous and for all we know they may have an unknown denial quota to meet that we are not even aware of. Especially for Africans. So,we as petitioners and beneficiaries have our good faith expectations when we enter into this visa journey, we read the web sites and jump through 100 blazing hoops on fire, run through 'what the heck moments' like obstacle courses and the CO's have their little gas bubble -hunch- gut feelings and deny. How is that fair and decent ? It is broken bureaucracy without checks and balances. Give people a factual reason, send the case back and don't sit on it for a year. This should be done in a reasonable time frame without all the games.That is my perspective and I stand by it.

I totally agree with you, well put.

[jenkatx 52]

Again, I "understand" you perfectly but I disagree. I suggest you trust that I have sufficient exposure to and experience with spouse immigration from Nigeria to write with confidence on the subject. You are free to disagree.

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Of course I do disagree. How many times have you been to Nigeria? How many Nigerians do you actually know personally? How many visas have you had approved through Lagos? I have held my tongue through this whole discussion with you but some of the things you have said since this posting are just mean spirited and even juvenile. Just because you are a "straight talker" here on VJ does not make you an expert. NONE of us know everything and those who think that they do usually know even less. This site is a learning experience as is life. When you quit learning or quit caring or think that you know it all then you fail to be anything other then a bag of hot air. Now as you told me earlier, "put on your big girl panties and deal with that".

[pushbrk 13,507]

Of course I do disagree. How many times have you been to Nigeria? How many Nigerians do you actually know personally? How many visas have you had approved through Lagos? I have held my tongue through this whole discussion with you but some of the things you have said since this posting are just mean spirited and even juvenile. Just because you are a "straight talker" here on VJ does not make you an expert. NONE of us know everything and those who think that they do usually know even less. This site is a learning experience as is life. When you quit learning or quit caring or think that you know it all then you fail to be anything other then a bag of hot air. Now as you told me earlier, "put on your big girl panties and deal with that".

I think it would really be good if you did a little homework before making statements about what I know or don't know. This ain't my first rodeo and it ain't my hundredth either.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

Ebunoluwa thank you for understanding the point that was being conveyed. Well said.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

The immigration process is changed little in the last century. The look at paper records and ask a series of question in order to try to detect fraud. The art of defrauding has advanced by light years and these soulless characters can lie without a visible tell. Immigration needs to bring it's interrogation technique that is more advanced.

"Immigration needs to bring it's interrogation technique that is more advanced" are you suggesting lie detectors here? I am just interested as to what you feel the interrogation techniques should be? Thanks.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

Your welcome

Thanks again for the information. The provided link is very helpful.

This is generally the type of assistance we are used seeing by the VJ members. Thank you.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

A lie detectors would detect "fraudulent intentions" by the petitioner, and would be a helpful instrument for the CO to make a factual determination weather to give or not give a visa instead of relying on a gut feeling. I see your point.

I shrug anything disrespectful, which is being said. Title or no title, I don't allow anyone to bully me. I stopped replying to wasteful comments.

Thanks.

I was thinking the beneficary , with most cases it is the person coming to the US that has less than honorable motives.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

I was thinking the beneficary , with most cases it is the person coming to the US that has less than honorable motives.

Yes, I know what you meant, and this could be useful in all the countries and not just Nigeria, to assist the CO in making the right determination, weather to issue, or not issue a visa, instead of playing a guessing game with people's lives. This is a wonderful idea.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Thank you for the advice on that. I was feeling like I was in junior high again, lol.

How would we circumvent the laws that say those tests are not admissible as they are not 100% accurate? Are they thermal ones fool proof?

What laws ? Such things apply to the rights of USC's not to foreign nationals seeking entrance to the US. You have to wonder what the 9-11 people would have done at the end of a lie detector if they were asked " do you plan to act against the US government " They obvoiusly fooled the interviewer and got past our interview based screening techniques. Even truth serum is not 100% fool proof.

[Ban Hammer 14,102]

closed for review

[Ban Hammer 14,102]

thread reopened, several personal attacks removed along with those posts quoting them.

keep it civil. discuss the topic posted by the op. let's not get off the rails again.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

thread reopened, several personal attacks removed along with those posts quoting them.

keep it civil. discuss the topic posted by the op. let's not get off the rails again.

With all due respect Charles, why was most of the comments made by women in the matter were deleted and the ones from men were not.

If you review the content of the previous posts, you will see that there were inappropriate comments, threats made that you chose to leave behind.

I have kept my comments and replies civil and have received many uncivil ones in return.

If this site is an equal opportunity site and treats its members equally, then I did not see anything wrong with NigeriorBust's comments in regards to members bullying other members here on this post.

Thank you.

Edited July 31, 2011 by LoveNigarmostyle

[Ban Hammer 14,102]

With all due respect Charles, why was most of the comments made by women in the matter were deleted and the ones from men were not.

If you review the content of the previous posts, you will see that there were inappropriate comments, threats made that you chose to leave behind.

I have kept my comments and replies civil and have received many uncivil ones in return.

If this site is an equal opportunity site and treats its members equally, then I did not see anything wrong with NigeriorBust's comments in regards to members bullying other members here on this post.

Thank you.

comments removed were primarily for quoting personal attacks - one post made by a male, one by a female. there are no threats that i can see. if you feel otherwise, use the contact link at the bottom of every page - that goes to ewok.