The rights of Israel

[Samoray 165]

Just for clarification, Samoray, do you believe Israel has no right to exist?

Look, it is not my own opinion that will matter, but i believe that Israel exists today by force and military with it's policies against the Palestinians, and everybody has to deal with that, but did the Palestinians invite Jews from Europe to come and make their own home on their land of course not.

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Here is my citation

Love your source . Right up there with the US State Department.

http://www.jewwatch.com

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As to the Law of Return, may I point out that every state in the world reserves the right to restrict immigration into its borders. Anyone who has gone through the US immigration process can attest to that. The question at hand was whether Israeli Arabs are entitled to full civil rights or are statutorily discriminated against. I've made my case, buttressed by the State Department. You in response quoted an irrelevant fringe antisemitic website. You're not even trying to keep up, are you?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Look, it is not my own opinion that will matter, but i believe that Israel exists today by force and military with it's policies against the Palestinians, and everybody has to deal with that, but did the Palestinians invite Jews from Europe to come and make their own home on their land of course not.

Come on now. Answer the question why must you be vague?

[Samoray 165]

Love your source . Right up there with the US State Department.

http://www.jewwatch.com

James Stenzel Presents...

This Scholarly Library of Facts about Domestic & Worldwide Zionist Criminality

As to the Law of Return, may I point out that every state in the world reserves the right to restrict immigration into its borders. Anyone who has gone through the US immigration process can attest to that. The question at hand was whether Israeli Arabs are entitled to full civil rights or are statutorily discriminated against. I've made my case, buttressed by the State Department. You in response quoted an irrelevant fringe antisemitic website. You're not even trying to keep up, are you?

How about a Jew who criticizes Israel acts of discrimination ?

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

Come on now. Answer the question why must you be vague?

If Israel recognizes Palestinian state with 1967 borders then i would say i recognize Israel.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Look, it is not my own opinion that will matter, but i believe that Israel exists today by force and military with it's policies against the Palestinians, and everybody has to deal with that, but did the Palestinians invite Jews from Europe to come and make their own home on their land of course not.

I should add the force and military do not invalidate the right of a country to exist. Almost every country in the world has developed through force including the USA.

If Israel recognizes Palestinian state with 1967 borders then i would say i recognize Israel.

IE. West Bank + Gaza

[Samoray 165]

I should add the force and military do not invalidate the right of a country to exist. Almost every country in the world has developed through force including the USA.

IE. West Bank + Gaza

Yeah but the difference now is, Israelis are less in numbers than the Palestinians, indians are 2% now in the US, maybe Israel should start treating the palestinians as Americans treat Indians, they can have as many gambling places as they can and they can collect a lot of money for their tribes. so the US admits it's brutality against Indians in the past and you're still paying for it till today.

[scandal 951]

IE. West Bank + Gaza

To be precise, 1967 borders also refers to East Jerusalem and to the Golan Heights. These latter two are actually the biggest sticking points in any final settlement. Gaza is not at issue at all, and West Bank borders are 80-90% amenable to agreement (that's a rough number, based on various plans that have bee proposed for territorial swaps to take into account larger cities like Ariel and Ma'aleh Adumim). There is a basis for territorial compromise if both sides have the courage to find it. Rabin did - he was assassinated for his efforts.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yeah but the difference now is, Israelis are less in numbers than the Palestinians, indians are 2% now in the US, maybe Israel should start treating the palestinians as Americans treat Indians, they can have as many gambling places as they can and they can collect a lot of money for their tribes. so the US admits it's brutality against Indians in the past and you're still paying for it till today.

I was thinking more along the lines of a War of Independence.

Edited May 16, 2011 by Sousuke

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I was thinking more along the lines of a War of Independence.

Perhaps the Palestinians will someday have a selfless leader that can unite the people and they can achieve that independence. In the meantime, too many Muslim leaders seem to be more interested in accruing personal wealth and blaming the Israelis for the poverty of their charges.

[Samoray 165]

Love your source . Right up there with the US State Department.

http://www.jewwatch.com

James Stenzel Presents...

This Scholarly Library of Facts about Domestic & Worldwide Zionist Criminality

As to the Law of Return, may I point out that every state in the world reserves the right to restrict immigration into its borders. Anyone who has gone through the US immigration process can attest to that. The question at hand was whether Israeli Arabs are entitled to full civil rights or are statutorily discriminated against. I've made my case, buttressed by the State Department. You in response quoted an irrelevant fringe antisemitic website. You're not even trying to keep up, are you?

That's not an Anti-Semitic Website though, it's Anti-Zionist Website.

[Samoray 165]

Perhaps the Palestinians will someday have a selfless leader that can unite the people and they can achieve that independence. In the meantime, too many Muslim leaders seem to be more interested in accruing personal wealth and blaming the Israelis for the poverty of their charges.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That's not an Anti-Semitic Website though, it's Anti-Zionist Website.

Semite n. a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

True, although in common usage, they generally are not referring to Akkadians or Phoenicians.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110516/ts_afp/israelpalestiniansconflictnakba

Bloodshed along Israel borders kills 12 on Nakba Day

by Jack Guez – 23 mins ago

MAJDAL SHAMS, Golan Heights (AFP) – Israeli gunfire killed 12 people and wounded hundreds as Palestinians marched on Israel's borders with Lebanon, Syria and Gaza in a mass show of mourning over the creation of the Jewish state.

Tensions along the Israeli-Syrian frontier spiralled as thousands of protesters from Syria tried to force their way onto the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, prompting the army to open fire in one of the worst incidents of violence there since a 1974 truce accord.

Syria lashed out at Israel for the bloodshed, warning it would bear full responsibility for its "criminal" actions, while Lebanon filed a complaint to the United Nations, urging it "to make the Jewish state halt its aggression and provocation," Lebanon's official NNA news agency reported.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon expressed deep concern over the violence and urged all sides to show the "utmost responsibility" to ward off new hostilities, a UN spokesman said.

"The secretary general is deeply concerned that a significant number of people have been killed or injured. He calls on all concerned to show restraint and refrain from provocations so as to prevent escalation of tensions," his spokesman Martin Nesirky said.

Ban called for "calm throughout the region and utmost responsibility from all concerned."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed Israel would protect its borders faced with those who sought its destruction.

"Their struggle is not over the 1967 borders, but it questions the very existence of Israel, which they describe as a catastrophe which must be resolved," he said in a televised address.

"We are determined to defend our borders and our sovereignty."

A Druze doctor from Majdal Shams who rushed to the scene told AFP he saw at least two bodies, with local

paramedics confirming the same toll, saying one had been shot in the head, and the second in the chest.

They also treated 20 people for light to moderate injuries.

Along the Lebanese border, Israeli gunfire killed 10 people and wounded 110 as thousands of mainly Palestinian refugees demonstrated along the tense frontier, medical sources said.

And along Gaza's northern border with Israel, 125 people were injured, five of them seriously, when troops opened fired as more than 1,000 Palestinians marched on the Erez crossing.

At least half of the wounded were minors, medics said.

The Israeli army issued a statement saying "hundreds of Syrian rioters" had crossed onto the Israeli side, and in response troops had "fired selectively" towards them, injuring an unspecified number.

Protesters in southern Lebanon had tried to cross the border into Israel, the statement added, saying troops had fired warning shots towards them.

Three army officers and 10 soldiers had been injured during the two incidents, it said, blaming Damascus and Beirut for the violence.

Elsewhere, at least 29 others were injured in clashes across annexed east Jerusalem and in the West Bank.

Israeli troops also shot dead a Palestinian in an area east of Gaza City but medics said the incident was not related to the nakba protests.

In southern Gaza, more than 5,000 demonstrators also held a mass rally in the southern city of Rafah, which lies on the border with Egypt, an AFP correspondent said.

They waved Palestinian flags and held up huge replica wooden keys to homes they fled or were expelled from during the Arab-Israeli war which accompanied the creation of the Jewish state.

Since Friday, Palestinians and Arab Israelis staged a series of events in the run-up to Sunday's anniversary, marking the anniversary of Israel's creation in 1948, in an event referred to in Arabic as the "nakba" or "catastrophe."

In the southern city of Hebron, 12 people were hit by rubber bullets fired by Israeli troops as an estimated 2,000 demonstrators held a protest, medical and security sources said.

And 17 people were hospitalised in Ramallah after being hit by rubber bullets during heavy clashes close to the Qalandiya crossing near annexed east Jerusalem, as thousands gathered for a protest, medical sources said.

Police arrested 36 people after a day of clashes in the east Jerusalem, while in Tel Aviv, police were investigating after a truck driven by a 22-year-old Arab Israeli ploughed into a bus and four cars, killing one and injuring another five.

The driver blamed the incident on a burst tyre, but police said they were investigating whether the driver had been acting on nationalist motives.

In Jordan, six people were injured as police tried to stop 200 students from marching on the border, while in Turkey about 100 demonstrators held a protest outside the Israeli consulate in Istanbul, AFP correspondents said.

In Egypt, protesters clashed with security forces outside the Israeli embassy in Cairo, as army troops fired tear gas and shots into the air to disperse a hundreds-strong crowd. At least 24 people were injured in the clashes, according to the health ministry, quoted by the official MENA news agency.

The protests began on Friday and quickly turned deadly when an east Jerusalem teenager was shot in the stomach during clashes in Silwan. He later died, with his family blaming the death on a Jewish settler.

More than 760,000 Palestinians -- estimated today to number 4.8 million with their descendants -- were pushed into exile or driven out of their homes in the conflict that accompanied the Jewish state's foundation.

Figures from the UN agency for Palestinian refugees show there are one million refugees in the Gaza Strip, 750,000 in the West Bank, two million in Jordan, 475,000 in Syria and 400,000 in Lebanon.

Edited May 16, 2011 by Why_Me

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Goooo Israel!!!!

[Samoray 165]

True, although in common usage, they generally are not referring to Akkadians or Phoenicians.

Yeah and not all Jews are Zionists.