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Judge denies Muslim inmate's lawsuit over beard

(AP) – 2 hours ago

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia's prison system did not violate a Muslim inmate's religious rights when it refused to allow him to grow a 1/8-inch beard, which he believes is required by his religion, a federal judge has ruled.

William Couch, a 50-year-old Sunni Muslim, is a medium-security prisoner serving multiple life sentences for rape and other convictions. He challenged the Virginia Department of Corrections' grooming policy, which bans long hair and beards.

U.S. District Judge Samuel G. Wilson in Harrisonburg sided with the department in a ruling Thursday. Couch's attorney, Jeffrey Fogel, filed an appeal Monday.

Department spokesman Larry Traylor declined to comment on the case.

Fogel argued a 1/8-inch beard would be too short to allow Couch to easily change his appearance if he escaped or hide weapons or other contraband, which is why the department argues the policy is needed.

"There is no conceivable security issue for a Muslim, with concededly sincere beliefs, to grow a 1/8-inch beard," Fogel said Monday.

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What is? The fact that the judge denied the lawsuit? Or that Islam requires men to grow beards?

the fact that this RAPIST is concerned with whether he is allowed to observe his religious requirements concerning the length of his facial hair

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He threw away his 'rights' when he decided to commit the crimes that got him a life sentence.


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the fact that this RAPIST is concerned with whether he is allowed to observe his religious requirements concerning the length of his facial hair

In Saudi Arabia, the women he raped would be in prison instead of him for dressing too provocatively.


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He threw away his 'rights' when he decided to commit the crimes that got him a life sentence.

That is a lot of bullcrap. Prisoners do retain *some* rights in a democratic society.. Otherwise the big bad government can toss civilians in jail with no legal recourse (like the do in gitmo).

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Maybe he renounced his wicked ways when he converted to Islam?

(I am just playing the devil's advocate here)

Ah, right. I forgot about the whole converting to NOI in prison. (I did watch Oz so I know all about these things)

In Saudi Arabia, the women he raped would be in prison instead of him for dressing too provocatively.

I wonder if they're allowed to grow beards.

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He threw away his 'rights' when he decided to commit the crimes that got him a life sentence.

I have to agree. If you commit a crime that requires you be segregated from the rest of society, even for a short period of time, you forefit some of your rights. I think they have to accomodate your religious or cultural needs, as long as it is reasonable. What is reasonable I suppose is up to each state to decide. I imagine what is reasonable in California greatly differs from what would be considered reasonable in Texas.


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If you commit a crime that requires you be segregated from the rest of society, even for a short period of time, you forefit some of your rights.

What if you're only accused of a crime?


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Quite frankly....WHO CARES?? He is serving many life sentences which means he was found GUILTY of his crimes. IMO, he has no rights other than to be kept fed, warm, and healthy. Other than that too bad. I don't think you really want to know how I think rapists should be punished :angry:


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Slim, you know the legal system quite well. No need for rhetorical questions.

It's not rhetorical. I expected to get answers.

Quite frankly....WHO CARES?? He is serving many life sentences which means he was found GUILTY of his crimes. IMO, he has no rights other than to be kept fed, warm, and healthy. Other than that too bad. I don't think you really want to know how I think rapists should be punished :angry:

Why do we keep folks alive when they're sentenced to multiple life sentences?


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Why do we keep folks alive when they're sentenced to multiple life sentences?

Oh no, I'm all for keeping them alive...I just don't think they deserve any more than 3 square meals, a roof over their heads, and medical attention if they need it. I think there are far better ways to punish scum that steal the soul of a woman by raping them. :angry: For him to be complaining because he can't grow facial hair and for anyone to give him the time of day to hear his complaint to me is DISGUSTING.

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02/19/2007- UK spousal visa approved in NY after only 4 days.
March 2,2007- Reunited in England with Glyn.
01/21/2008-mailed I-130 to USCIS in London
01/24/2008-NOA1
04/13/2008-Panic. RFE received
April 17, 2008-Mailed off again.
April 22, 2008-NOA2 received dated April 21, 2008.
April 26, 2008-Packet 3 received
April 28, 2008-Mailed off DS-230
May06,2008-Packet 3 sent
May 08, 2008-Medical scheduled
May 22,2008-Packet 4 received
June 03,2008-Interview APPROVED!!!!!

June 04, 2008-Visa in hand
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June 25, 2008-Flying to the USA smile.png
November 15, 2010-Sent off VERY late I-751 along with many prayers.
04/09/2011-10 year GC arrives in mail.
09/08/2011-Glyn leaves for UK
01/30/2012-Biometrics for UK spousal & dependent visas sent out w/ application same day
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04/16/2013-I-130 sent off-----04/19/2013 NOA1

05/15/2013-NOA2

Never received packet 3 although it was mailed to us on May 29th

07/17/2013-Sent off packet 3 after finally getting ALL our documents together

08/19/2013-Medical scheduled (there were earlier appointments but unfortunately, we couldn't get there for them due to hubby's work)

09/24/2013-Interview APPROVED

11/01/2013-POE BOSTON

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