BRADLEY MANNING: POSTER BOY FOR 'DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL'

[alienlovechild 75]

Because gay people enjoy being raped?

Ho-ho-ho - hmmmm....

Probably because straight sex in prison is not as much of possibility.

BTW not all gay sex is rape and I'm sure poor Brad will find a boyfriend(s) so fret not. Ask Manson or Richard Speck about it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Probably because straight sex in prison is not as much of possibility.

BTW not all gay sex is rape and I'm sure poor Brad will find a boyfriend(s) so fret not. Ask Manson or Richard Speck about it.

Your comment wasn't about "all gay sex" now was it. It was about gay sex in prisons - which is synonymous with rape (and no, I'm not buying any semantic BS about it).

[alienlovechild 75]

Your comment wasn't about "all gay sex" now was it. It was about gay sex in prisons - which is synonymous with rape (and no, I'm not buying any semantic BS about it).

Your statement only makes sense if a gay guy being raped is as bad as it is for a straight guy. The violent bit could be unpleasant but not as much stigma for gays.

Hopefully, Brad gets the Dahmer treatment so any sex outside of necrophilia will be out of the question.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Your statement only makes sense if a gay guy being raped is as bad as it is for a straight guy. The violent bit could be unpleasant but not as much stigma for gays.

Hopefully, Brad gets the Dahmer treatment so any sex outside of necrophilia will be out of the question.

Rape is rape Dave. Stop trying to weasel out of it with semantics.

[alienlovechild 75]

Rape is rape Dave. Stop trying to weasel out of it with semantics.

I'll concede your greater knowledge on the dynamics of prison sex and for once I won't ask how or where you acquired that insight.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lame Dave. Just because you said something homophobic and got called out on it. Pathetic.

[scandal 951]

Your statement only makes sense if a gay guy being raped is as bad as it is for a straight guy. The violent bit could be unpleasant but not as much stigma for gays.

Are you actually suggesting that gay people don't mind being raped? Seriously?

There are some on this site that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that from, but I didn't put you in that crowd.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's exactly what he's saying, and his response to being called out is equally homophobic.

[SMR 368]

BRADLEY MANNING: POSTER BOY FOR 'DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL'

December 1, 2010

ANN COULTER

The two biggest stories this week are WikiLeaks' continued publication of classified government documents, which did untold damage to America's national security interests, and the Democrats' fanatical determination to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" and allow gays to serve openly in the military.

The mole who allegedly gave WikiLeaks the mountains of secret documents is Pfc. Bradley Manning, Army intelligence analyst and angry gay.

We've heard 1 billion times about the Army translator who just wanted to serve his country, but was cashiered because of whom he loved.

I'll see your Army translator and raise you one Bradley Manning.

According to Bradley's online chats, he was in "an awkward place" both "emotionally and psychologically." So in a snit, he betrayed his country by orchestrating the greatest leak of classified intelligence in U.S. history.

Isn't that in the Army Code of Conduct? You must follow orders at all times. Exceptions will be made for servicemen in an awkward place. Now, who wants a hug? Waitress! Three more apple-tinis!"

According to The New York Times, Bradley sought "moral support" from his "self-described drag queen" boyfriend. Alas, he still felt out of sorts. So why not sell out his country?

In an online chat with a computer hacker, Bradley said he lifted the hundreds of thousands of classified documents by pretending to be listening to a CD labeled "Lady Gaga." Then he acted as if he were singing along with her hit song "Telephone" while frantically downloading classified documents.

I'm not a military man, but I think singing along to Lady Gaga would constitute "telling" under "don't ask, don't tell."

Do you have to actually wear a dress to be captured by the Army's "don't ask, don't tell" dragnet?

What constitutes being "openly" gay now? Bringing a spice rack to basic training? Attending morning drills decked out as a Cher impersonator? Following Anderson Cooper on Twitter?

Also, U.S. military, have you seen a picture of Bradley Manning? The photo I've seen is only from the waist up, but you get the feeling that he's wearing butt-less chaps underneath. He looks like a guy in a soldier costume at the Greenwich Village Halloween parade.

With any luck, Bradley's court-martial will be gayer than a Liza Minelli wedding. It could be the first court-martial in U.S. history to feature ice sculptures and a "Wizard of Oz"-themed gazebo. "Are you going to Bradley's court-martial? I hear Patti LaBelle is going to sing!"

Maybe there's a reason gays have traditionally been kept out of the intelligence services, apart from the fact that closeted gay men are easy to blackmail. Gays have always been suspicious of that rationale and perhaps they're right.

The most damaging spies in British history were the Cambridge Five, also called "the "Magnificent Five": Kim Philby, Guy Burgess, Anthony Blunt, Donald Maclean and John Cairncross. They were highly placed members of British intelligence, all secretly working for the KGB.

The only one who wasn't gay was Philby. Burgess and Blunt were flamboyantly gay. Indeed, the Russians set Burgess up with a boyfriend as soon as he defected to the Soviet Union.

The Magnificent Five's American compatriot Michael Straight was -- ironically -- bisexual, as was Whittaker Chambers, at least during the period that he was a spy. And of course, there's David Brock.

So many Soviet spies were gay that, according to intelligence reporter Phillip Knightley, the Comintern was referred to as "the Homintern." (I would have called it the "Gay G.B.")

Bradley's friends told the Times they suspected "his desperation for acceptance -- or delusions of grandeur" may have prompted his document dump.

Let's check our "Gay Profile at a Glance" and ... let's see ... desperate for acceptance ... delusions of grandeur ... yep, they're both on the gay subset list!

Obviously, the vast majority of gays are loyal Americans -- and witty and stylish to boot! But a small percentage of gays are going to be narcissistic hothouse flowers like Bradley Manning.

Couldn't they just work for JetBlue? America would be a lot safer right now if gays in an "awkward place" psychologically could do no more damage than grabbing a couple of beers and sliding down the emergency chute.

Look at the disaster one gay created under our punishing "don't ask, don't tell" policy. What else awaits America with the overturning of a policy that was probably put there for a reason (apart from being the only thing Bill Clinton ever did that I agreed with)?

Liberals don't care. Their approach is to rip out society's foundations without asking if they serve any purpose.

Why do we have immigration laws? What's with these borders? Why do we have the institution of marriage, anyway? What do we need standardized tests for? Hey, I like Keith Richards -- why not make heroin legal? Let's take a sledgehammer to all these load-bearing walls and just see what happens!

For liberals, gays in the military is a win-win proposition. Either gays in the military works, or it wrecks the military, both of which outcomes they enthusiastically support.

But since you brought up gays in the military, liberals, let's talk about Bradley Manning. He apparently released hundreds of thousands of classified government documents as a result of being a gay man in "an awkward place."

Any discussion of "don't ask, don't tell" should begin with Bradley Manning. Live by the sad anecdote, die by the sad anecdote.

The logic of this article is flawed. For sure, there really is too little known about Manning to make a conclusive decision. But it seems to me that a reasonable conclusion is that Manning was disgruntled because he was not allowed to be open about his sexuality and thus found himself in an awkward place. So in effect the prior repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" would have made his place less awkward and thus perhaps prevented the Wikileaks.

That is, of course, if you believe that Manning is solely responsible. I personally don't believe that a private with a minimal security clearance could have downloaded hundreds of thousands of classified documents without anyone else being complicit. At least, I sincerely hope our military is not that inept.

[Danno 1,228]

Are you actually suggesting that gay people don't mind being raped? Seriously?

There are some on this site that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that from, but I didn't put you in that crowd.

Are you pretending (seriously now) that Rape does not come with all sorts of components which compound the damage?

Clearly a straight man being raped by another man adds a much more profound aspect than other wise would be present.

Look I understand the talking points and all that but ....this is so silly it's akin to boiling rape down to simply a physical violation.

[scandal 951]

Are you pretending (seriously now) that Rape does not come with all sorts of components which compound the damage?

Clearly a straight man being raped by another man adds a much more profound aspect than other wise would be present.

Look I understand the talking points and all that but ....this is so silly it's akin to boiling rape down to simply a physical violation.

What I'm saying is that rape is assault. A vicious, violent, personal assault.

Regardless of whether the victim is male, female, young, old, straight, gay, purple or tangerine - it's a vicious and violent assault. To even think that you can generalize its effects by group and claim that a victim of one group doesn't "mind" it as much as another is as preposterous as to claim that one group doesn't "mind" having their house burned down by an arsonist, or being mugged, or being murdered, or being the victim of any other violent crime.

The suggestion that because gay men engage in (voluntary, consensual) gay sex they may not mind being raped makes about as much sense as saying that Boy Scout troop leaders won't mind their houses being burned down by arsonists because they enjoy lighting campfires in the woods.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

[Ban Hammer 12,829]

The logic of this article is flawed. For sure, there really is too little known about Manning to make a conclusive decision. But it seems to me that a reasonable conclusion is that Manning was disgruntled because he was not allowed to be open about his sexuality and thus found himself in an awkward place. So in effect the prior repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" would have made his place less awkward and thus perhaps prevented the Wikileaks.

That is, of course, if you believe that Manning is solely responsible. I personally don't believe that a private with a minimal security clearance could have downloaded hundreds of thousands of classified documents without anyone else being complicit. At least, I sincerely hope our military is not that inept.

a minimal security clearance would be "confidential" - i've also not seen a news report which indicates which he has, a ts or s.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The logic of this article is flawed. For sure, there really is too little known about Manning to make a conclusive decision. But it seems to me that a reasonable conclusion is that Manning was disgruntled because he was not allowed to be open about his sexuality and thus found himself in an awkward place. So in effect the prior repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" would have made his place less awkward and thus perhaps prevented the Wikileaks.

That is, of course, if you believe that Manning is solely responsible. I personally don't believe that a private with a minimal security clearance could have downloaded hundreds of thousands of classified documents without anyone else being complicit. At least, I sincerely hope our military is not that inept.

I wouldn't bet on that last bit, though it's probably more to do with the way in which sensitive information is managed or not managed as the case may be.

[Danno 1,228]

What I'm saying is that rape is assault. A vicious, violent, personal assault.

Regardless of whether the victim is male, female, young, old, straight, gay, purple or tangerine - it's a vicious and violent assault. To even think that you can generalize its effects by group and claim that a victim of one group doesn't "mind" it as much as another is as preposterous as to claim that one group doesn't "mind" having their house burned down by an arsonist, or being mugged, or being murdered, or being the victim of any other violent crime.

The suggestion that because gay men engage in (voluntary, consensual) gay sex they may not mind being raped makes about as much sense as saying that Boy Scout troop leaders won't mind their houses being burned down by arsonists because they enjoy lighting campfires in the woods.

And then there is the Physical,

Just as the rape if an 8 yr old female would be much more physically damaging than the rape of a married women....

YOu can bet your sweet azz (no pun intended) ...the rape of a gay man would be much less physically damaging than the rape of a ####### virgin.

All that said, it would not be a party even for a homosexual..... but it was never suggested he would be on the victim end to begin with.

Big strapping ex-army gay guy like him might enjoy the abuse he could dish out to others in prison.