Creationists to build "full scale" replica of Noah's Ark

[The_Dude 1,142]

I would want to visit a full-scale replica - sounds pretty cool.

I think it would be pretty cool to see the craftmanship of this. I however fear that if people who don't believe in their dogma visit this just to see the sight of a giant ark, and for no other reason might infer to some, a level of acceptance. Seeing as this museum is one of those who try to inject scientificly verified facts like dinosaurs into their biblical version of events to try and give themselves a shred of scientific credibility. I'm sorry, but the dinosaurs predate the garden of eden, Adam and Eve didn't ride on a T-Rex.

In this case, they are one and the same.

http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

Scary.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I was asking nab a question because it appears as though she said she believes the noah's ark story really happened (unless I misunderstood her post)

Did you hear about the fella who thought his day trading would make him rich? Now there's some stupid fiction.

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Did you hear about the fella who thought his day trading would make him rich? Now there's some stupid fiction.

Some people do make money doing it. It takes years of trading experience to do it right though, from what I hear.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Did you hear about the fella who thought his day trading would make him rich? Now there's some stupid fiction.

Thats a low blow steven.

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Thats a low blow steven.

He's religious, he can't help it.

[keysjangle 145]

The bible was written by persecuted people. The Romans were somewhat tolerant, but the writers and their communities were concerned they would be integrated into Roman society and their teachings would be lost. They wrote the bible as a series of allegory, to teach their messages in a way that the Romans would not detect it. For example, I can't logically wrap my mind around how people can believe the earth is ~6000 years old when there is physical proof of otherwise. The number of ~6000 is taken directly from the bible from a list of patriarchs - the name escapes me at the moment. Sure, these people may have truly lived, but how is it logical to base one's entire existence on something written over a huge amount of time, by many different people. There are vast inconsistencies in the book as well, i.e. how many animals got on the ark 3x3, or 2x2. Humans wrote it, there are mistakes, and it was not meant to be used as literal teachings

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The bible was written by persecuted people. The Romans were somewhat tolerant, but the writers and their communities were concerned they would be integrated into Roman society and their teachings would be lost. They wrote the bible as a series of allegory, to teach their messages in a way that the Romans would not detect it. For example, I can't logically wrap my mind around how people can believe the earth is ~6000 years old when there is physical proof of otherwise. The number of ~6000 is taken directly from the bible from a list of patriarchs - the name escapes me at the moment. Sure, these people may have truly lived, but how is it logical to base one's entire existence on something written over a huge amount of time, by many different people. There are vast inconsistencies in the book as well, i.e. how many animals got on the ark 3x3, or 2x2. Humans wrote it, there are mistakes, and it was not meant to be used as literal teachings

The concept of story telling that is purely factual is a recent phenomenon (within the last couple of centuries). The ancient Hebrews were no exception. Modern science and the scientific process of gathering data and evidence hadn't yet existed. Fiction is a far better method to demonstrate truths, which are different from mere facts. When people approach the Book of Genesis and other books of the Bible as literature, rather than a factually historical account of things, they can experience the beauty and the truth that is there. Every religion is based on myth (clues to the spiritual potentialities of the human experience).

[keysjangle 145]

The concept of story telling that is purely factual is a recent phenomenon (within the last couple of centuries). The ancient Hebrews were no exception. Modern science and the scientific process of gathering data and evidence hadn't yet existed. Fiction is a far better method to demonstrate truths, which are different from mere facts. When people approach the Book of Genesis and other books of the Bible as literature, rather than a factually historical account of things, they can experience the beauty and the truth that is there. Every religion is based on myth (clues to the spiritual potentialities of the human experience).

Very true. Take Zeus as an example. In his wrath he would pelt lightning down at the earth. You don't hear of many people believing in him anymore (although I'm sure some still do) because we now know why lightning really does happen. It's not a judgement against anyone for being stupid. Being ignorant is completely different, and does not have to be treated negatively. It's just that when people didn't have a better way to understand the world around them, they coped as well as they could - nothing wrong with that. The latest episode of House touched on this actually Allegory is beautiful, and is still around today

Edited December 2, 2010 by Gervl

[Jenn! 918]

The latest episode of House touched on this actually

Loved this exchange:

Crucifix Guy: Faith is not a disease.

House: No, of course not. On the other hand, it is communicable, and it kills a lot of people.

Oh, and also when he said that he used to believe in God...until he grew his curly hairs.

Edited December 2, 2010 by Jenn!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Very true. Take Zeus as an example. In his wrath he would pelt lightning down at the earth. You don't hear of many people believing in him anymore (although I'm sure some still do) because we now know why lightning really does happen. It's not a judgement against anyone for being stupid. Being ignorant is completely different, and does not have to be treated negatively. It's just that when people didn't have a better way to understand the world around them, they coped as well as they could - nothing wrong with that. The latest episode of House touched on this actually Allegory is beautiful, and is still around today

Yeah, I don't believe that science invalidates the Bible nor is it in anyway, in contradiction with those spiritual truths, which transcend the material world.

[keysjangle 145]

Yeah, I don't believe that science invalidates the Bible nor is it in anyway, in contradiction with those spiritual truths, which transcend the material world.

Oh, see here I disagree. Ancient Jewish laws forbid men to have sex with their wives while on their periods, sit on the same furniture, touch them in any way etc. Keeping women subordinate was wildly popular in those good ol' days. We all know full well you won't harm yourself by having sex with a menstruating woman. Although sure it might LOOK unpleasant sometimes, it's not going to defile your soul or body. I think science does have some basis in overturning some biblical "truths" such as that one, but as hard as this is for me to say: let people still believe what they want no matter how vehemently you disagree. I do believe in something more than just Almighty Man, but I don't call it God/Allah, etc. The word god leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of how many people have used and abused it, and continue to do so. I believe in the ego, nature, and the traits we still posses from our days of walking out of Africa. We are STILL animals, and the battle of one's lifetime is to discover the fine balance of being a mammal, and being a wise ** sapiens sapiens in a very confusing world. I'm not about to flagellate myself to conquer my physical body or live some asceitc life, but I choose to embrace my nature, and train it to make myself into a stand up gal who is sure of herself in the world.

Edited December 2, 2010 by Gervl

[The_Dude 1,142]

Yeah, I don't believe that science invalidates the Bible nor is it in anyway, in contradiction with those spiritual truths, which transcend the material world.

Science, you're doing it wrong Steven.

[nab 74]

I was asking nab a question because it appears as though she said she believes the noah's ark story really happened (unless I misunderstood her post)

It's called faith.

Some people do make money doing it. It takes years of trading experience to do it right though, from what I hear.

some people do make very good money at it and it does not take years of XP, though it does take a lot of research, patience, and nerves of steel at times..

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Whatever floats your boat! As long as they use money donated willingly and not cofiscated from my paycheck...who cares?

[mawilson 2,133]

Whatever floats your boat! As long as they use money donated willingly and not cofiscated from my paycheck...who cares?

Indeed.