4th Amendment Wear has a message to the TSA

[The_Dude 1,142]

Maybe TSA should be full fledged Law Enforcement Officers/Agents with better training and all of the legal requirements of our cops. Of course that leads to higher costs which is handed down to the travelers.

If the TSA does actually want to make any sort of inpact, they need to train, employ and promote a higher standard of employee. The current TSA staff is comprised of unskilled labor being asked to perform more and more specialized tasks that they are not qualified to do. Fire them all, and hire retired law enforcement personnel to start. Then start hiring a new wave of personnel to screen, and more importantly coolect, analyze and interpret intelligence.

The TSA then becomes a national police force, which is exactly what OTM ("0bama the Messiah" or "Other Than 'Merican") wants.

In Texas, CBP agents do NOT have peace-officer authority. If they did, heaven couldn't help us at all. I shudder to think what life would descend to if they did.

The Fourth Amendment has been on life support for years now. A couple of Supreme Court decisions more, and it becomes merely an inkblot.

Border Patrol officers do not have the authority to enforce state or local laws, but they are however federal agents who are empowered to uphold federal law. Most state laws mirror federal law, so border patrol officers can arrest people. Even if there is no breached federal law, they can detain someone and call the local P.D. to deal with it.

Do try to make a point when you post.

Edited November 29, 2010 by Rob & Mel

[TBoneTX 43,058]

What are the FBI & Federal Marshals?

Federal agencies whose agents can't violate USCs' Constitutional rights and reasonably expect to get away with it.

Interestingly, the FBI requires that applicants have a college degree. The Federal Marshal program appears not to, and the Federal Air Marshal program appears to require only a hyskool education.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Federal agencies whose agents can't violate USCs' Constitutional rights and reasonably expect to get away with it.

So the FBI & Marshals can't action warrants (arrest or search)?

They can't detain or question suspects?

Just who exactly enforces Federal Laws? Local & State police & courts don't have the jurisdiction. Does the US really lack a National Police Force of any kind?

[SMR 368]

Evidence is thrown out of court everyday because there wasn't sufficient probable cause for the search. No that which was found can't stand on it's own if it is the result of further inspection/search based on nothing that can justify the further search.

Maybe TSA should be full fledged Law Enforcement Officers/Agents with better training and all of the legal requirements of our cops. Of course that leads to higher costs which is handed down to the travelers.

[SMR 368]

Evidence is thrown out of court everyday because there wasn't sufficient probable cause for the search. No that which was found can't stand on it's own if it is the result of further inspection/search based on nothing that can justify the further search.

Maybe TSA should be full fledged Law Enforcement Officers/Agents with better training and all of the legal requirements of our cops. Of course that leads to higher costs which is handed down to the travelers.

You're talking about situations where the 4th amendment is in effect. If in order to fly you have to forfeit your 4th amendment rights, then TSA officers don't need probable cause to perform a search and anything that is found can be used as evidence on it's own two feet.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

You're talking about situations where the 4th amendment is in effect. If in order to fly you have to forfeit your 4th amendment rights, then TSA officers don't need probable cause to perform a search and anything that is found can be used as evidence on it's own two feet.

So you agree that the full body scanner & enhanced pat-downs are not a violation of the 4th amendment as the subject (traveler) consents to the search?

[SuperDuper! 230]

Surely you're joking right?

Profiling is no Joke, Bob, and it's El Al's primary screening method.

Whaddaya think about Israel's airline security record for the past 40 years or so living with terrorism?

No shoe, underpants or printer bombers there (and no crouch grabbing, either).

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

The problem is that you don't have a "right" to fly on an airplane. It's a choice you make and in order to utilize the service you must consent to the TSA Security Measures that are in place.

Since you consent the search isn't unreasonable.

If you don't consent then you are simply exercising your choice to use another means of transportation.

How many of us would be on this website, a community for international couples, if it weren't for air travel?

Blustery talk.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Profiling is no Joke, Bob, and it's El Al's primary screening method.

Whaddaya think about Israel's airline security record for the past 40 years or so living with terrorism?

No shoe, underpants or printer bombers there (and no crouch grabbing, either).

I can't argue against learning from Israel how to deal with airline safety in a terrorist world.

What I can say is that we're way too sensitive and touchy about things like profiling. I mean if you admit it's being used them too many assume that you're violating someone's right because you're discriminating based on race, gender, hair color or body oder level.

In so many ways we are our own worst enemy!

[mawilson 2,133]

The problem is that you don't have a "right" to fly on an airplane. It's a choice you make and in order to utilize the service you must consent to the TSA Security Measures that are in place.

Why? An airline is a private business and you are their customer. Airplanes are privately owned. Why must you consent to the TSA, a government agency, groping in order to conduct your private business?

[mawilson 2,133]

So you agree that the full body scanner & enhanced pat-downs are not a violation of the 4th amendment as the subject (traveler) consents to the search?

Apparently if you do not consent to either the porno scanner or the sexual groping, you're slapped with a $10,000 fine.

So, yes, it is a violation of the 4th Amendment if you can't say no.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Apparently if you do not consent to either the porno scanner or the sexual groping, you're slapped with a $10,000 fine.

So, yes, it is a violation of the 4th Amendment if you can't say no.

Don't fly, you've just said NO!

You know about the scanners & pat-downs before you get to the airport.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Don't fly, you've just said NO!

You know about the scanners & pat-downs before you get to the airport.

that's about an ignorant statement as any i've seen on these boards.....

[The_Dude 1,142]

that's about an ignorant statement as any i've seen on these boards.....

How so paul? You don't have a right to fly. Freedom of movement is a basic human right, and you still have that in trains, cars, and buses. However, if you want to fly, there are certain rules that govern it. I don't like them, and think it is a colossal waste of money, but I'm not going mistake imaginary rights for real ones.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

How so paul? You don't have a right to fly. Freedom of movement is a basic human right, and you still have that in trains, cars, and buses. However, if you want to fly, there are certain rules that govern it. I don't like them, and think it is a colossal waste of money, but I'm not going mistake imaginary rights for real ones.

It's ignorant because the assumption is because you want to do action A, that you suspend your constitutional rights. That's not the case at all. It's that type of thinking that leads to an overbearing government as well.

"Well, you have your rights, but only if you turn left, left, right, walk 10 yards straight ahead, act ilke a duck, and then walk backwards for 30 paces."

The last time I checked as well, I didn't see an asterick on your airline ticket that says you must forfeit your 4th amendment rights to board this plane. Nor do I see that posted anywhere in the airports when I get there as well.