JonBenét Ramsey

[Madame-Butterfly 0]

Every one has been going crazy about this new scandal, with new evidence about this case, but they havent really taken the time out to analize what the media has been showing us,

Handwritten note clue

Investigators determined that the lengthy ransom note was written on a pad of paper that belonged to the Ramsey family. A Sharpie felt-tip pen similar to the one used to write the note was found in a container on the Ramseys' kitchen counter, along with other pens of the same type [2]. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, on the same pad of paper, a practice sheet of the ransom note was found. No fingerprints could be detected on the note. The text of the note had many odd features, including the fact that $118,000 was demanded. Perhaps coincidentally (as if), John Ramsey earned a bonus that year of $118,117.50. Also during investigation of the home, police reported that John Ramsey's Bible was found on his desk in his office open to Psalm 118. The police regarded the ransom price a suspiciously low amount of money in proportion to John Ramsey's income.

Several handwriting samples were taken from a number of suspects who might have written the ransom note. Forensic analysis cleared everyone except for Patsy Ramsey, whose writing style bore some resemblance to the ransom note.

Clues

1-Police investigations within and around the residence discovered the following clues which were, by some, interpreted as evidence of intrusion:two dissimilar footprints in the wine cellar that did not match any of the shoes in the residence

2-a third footprint of an unknown person on the outer part of the window of the room by the wine cellar (John Ramsey claimed that the window was malfunctioning)

3-a possible footprint on a suitcase, placed directly below the same window

4-a rope that was foreign to the residence found on the bed of the guestroom located near JonBenét's room

5-physical marks on JonBenét's body that suggested the use of a stun gun

6-blood sample on JonBenét's underwear that did not match any known suspect

She had been beaten and strangled.

JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, have said they heard nothing unusual that night, which was the day after Christmas in 1996. <---- how could you not hear ????

I personaly (dont want anyone to get offended) i am entitiled to m,y own opinion, that Pat Ramsey along with her husband killed their daugther, how can it be possible that in Christmas day... the first thing kids do is run down to the tree expecting their present and didnt they find it odd thats their little girl wasnt there ??? you meant o tell me it takes 8 hours to search an entier house and further more her dad whent straight to the basement were he found her lifeless body ???? What are the odd that the first place he goes and searches he stumbles upon her??? What were they doing all those hourse before they " decided" to look for her?????

And now you have this guy Karr says he did it but cant answer any other questions ????? how can he ...he doesnt know the answer he didnt do it .... propablt just wants some media attention and oh boy is he getting it !!!!, He had access to the Ramsey filed beofre he had info of it thats why i think he " knows so much"

Like ive said before every one has their own opinion and this one happens to be mine . i dont want any one to get offended or mad

[Peter Miami 1]

Very, very fishy!

Peter Miami

[Madame-Butterfly 0]

Karr claims he drugged JonBenet and then had sex with the child, but an autopsy said a blood screening showed no drugs or alcohol in the child's body. Also, while Karr reportedly claims to have sexually assaulted JonBenet, no semen was found on her body. However, the little girl did have small vaginal abrasions.

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all this evidence indicates he had no part in this murder.there were no drugs in her system

DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not known whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr, despite serving time in a California jail in 2001 on child pornography charges. Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the pornography charges and an outstanding arrest warrant against a John M. Karr, though she didn't know if he was the same person being held in the Ramsey case.

DNA will probably be the only thing to link this guy to the murder

"I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters Thursday, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."

Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."

Yet nothing above point dirrectly to him .....

[djcess 0]

that child is very innocent.. i hope there will be justice soon. it really upsets me and break my heart when i see women killed and raped, what more if they are young children. BEASTS! PAEDOPHILES!

[Madame-Butterfly 0]

its is very sad indded.... but wouldnt it be more sad if karr wasnt guilty and her parent were ???

[djcess 0]

its is very sad indded.... but wouldnt it be more sad if karr wasnt guilty and her parent were ???

i dont understand, if and only if that letter is true and perhaps her parents are really innocent, then didnt they pay the amount for their daughter's sake? I remember 10 years ago when i read this article, the death was because of her mom's jealousy and obsession of her daughter?

[Octa 0]

it is true...something does not add up. Plus Karr's ex-wife said he was at home with them on that day and that since it was Christmas she knows this for sure.....but that he was obsessed with JonBenet and was spending lots of time reading about her.

very fishy very strange....I don't know what but it also seems to me that something is not right

[rebeccajo 14]

Somebody call Geraldo.

[Octa 0]

Somebody call Geraldo.

[Welshcookie 17]

Do those kiddie beauty pageants still happen in the US?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I posted this in the other thread but in case anybody missed this... one of the Boulder detectives published a book stating that he believed the mother murdered Jon Benet:

Steve Thomas, a key Boulder city detective in the case, resigned from the Boulder Police Department after he discovered "the detectives who know this case better than anyone were advised by the district attorney's office that we would not be participating as grand jury advisory witnesses."

Thomas Names Patsy Ramsey as Murderer

Thomas's book, which became a bestseller when it was released in hardback in April 2000 (a paperback edition was released in November 2000), left no doubt about whom he believes killed JonBenét, known as Joni'B to her mother and father. On page 12 he writes that he believes the murderer to be "her panicked mother, Patsy Ramsey, and that her father, John Ramsey, opted to protect his wife in the investigation that followed." In chapter 30 of the book, Thomas recounts his theory of the case:

"In my hypothesis, an approaching fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an exhausting Christmas Day, a couple of glasses of wine, and an argument with JonBenét had left Patsy frazzled. Her beautiful daughter, whom she frequently dressed almost as a twin, had rebelled against wearing the same outfit as her mother [to the Whites' Christmas Day party].

"When they came home, John Ramsey helped Burke put together a Christmas toy. JonBenét, who had not eaten much at the Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let her have some pineapple, and then the kids were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan the next morning, a trip she admittedly did not particularly want to make.

"Later JonBenét awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet.

"As I told [Lou] Smit [an investigator hired by the D.A.'s office], I never believed the child was sexually abused for the gratification of the offender but that the vaginal trauma was some sort of corporal punishment. The dark fibers found in her public region could have come from the violent wiping of a wet child. Patsy probably yanked out the diaper package in cleaning up JonBenét.

"Patsy would not be the first mother to lose control in such a situation. One of the doctors we consulted cited toileting issues as a textbook example of causing a parental rage. So, in my hypothesis, there was some sort of explosive encounter in the child's bathroom sometime prior to one o'clock in the morning, the time suggested by the digestion rate of the pineapple found in the child's stomach [during the autopsy]. I believe JonBenét was slammed against a hard surface, such as the edge of a tub, inflicting a mortal head wound. She was unconscious, but her heart was still beating. Patsy would not have known that JonBenét was still alive, because the child already appeared to be dead. The massive head trauma would have eventually killed her.

"It was the critical moment in which she had to either call for help or find an alternative explanation for her daughter's death. It was accidental in the sense that the situation had developed without motive or premeditation. She could have called for help but chose not to. An emergency room doctor probably would have questioned the "accident" and called the police. Still, little would have happened to Patsy in Boulder. But I believe panic overtook her.

"John and Burke continued to sleep while Patsy moved the body of JonBenét down to the basement and hid her in the little room.

"As I pictured the scene, her dilemma was that police would assume the obvious if a 6-year-old child was found dead in a private home without any satisfactory explanation. Patsy needed a diversion and planned the way she thought a kidnapping should look."

Thomas theorized that Patsy then went upstairs to the kitchen to write the ransom note, using one of her own writing tablets and a felt-tipped pen that she kept there on a counter. She "flipped to the middle of the tablet, and started a ransom note, drafting one that ended on page 25. For some reason she discarded that one and ripped pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never found those pages. On page 26, she began the 'Mr. & Mrs. I,' then also abandoned that false start. At some point she drafted the long ransom note. By doing so, she created the government's best piece of evidence."

Thomas wrote that she "then faced the major problem of what to do with the body" and that leaving it in "the distant almost inaccessible basement room was the best option.

"As I envisioned it, Patsy returned to the basement, a woman caught up in panic, where she could have seen -- perhaps by detecting a faint heartbeat or a sound or a slight movement -- that although completely unconscious, JonBenét was not dead. Others might argue that Patsy did not know the child was still alive. In my hypothesis, she took the next step, looking for the closest available items in her desperation. Only feet away was her paint tote. She grabbed a paintbrush and broke it to fashion the garrote with some cord. Then she looped the cord around the girl's neck.

"In my scenario, she choked JonBenét from behind, with a grip on the broken paintbrush handle, pulling the ligature. JonBenét, still unconscious, would never have felt it…

"Then the staging continued to make it look more like a kidnapping. Patsy tied the girl's wrists, in front, not in back, for otherwise the arms would have not have been in that overhead position. But with a 15-inch length of cord between the wrists and the knot tied loosely over the clothing, there was no way such a binding would have restrained a live child. It was a symbolic act to make it appear the child had been bound.

The Smoking Gun

As part of her staging, Thomas wrote that Patsy put a strip of duct tape over JonBenét's mouth. "There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenét had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth. The ransom note and the staging of the body took so much of the night that Patsy did not have time to change the clothes she wore to the Whites' Christmas Day party. To Thomas, Patsy's not changing her clothes was the smoking gun. He knew she was wearing the same clothes because a picture taken at the Whites' dinner party on Christmas night showed her wearing a red turtleneck sweater and black pants. A Boulder police officer had noted in his report that when he arrived at the Ramsey home on December 26 in response to the kidnapping emergency that Patsy was wearing a red turtleneck and black pants.

"This woman, to whom looking good appeared always so important that she had a closet full of designer clothes, had attended a party, come home late, put her children to bed, gone to sleep herself, arose early to fly across the country, put on fresh makeup and fixed her hair, and then put on the same clothes she had worn the previous night? Not likely, in my opinion," Thomas wrote.

http://crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

[Cdnwmn 1]

I for one don't believe they have the right guy.

[Madame-Butterfly 0]

its is very sad indded.... but wouldnt it be more sad if karr wasnt guilty and her parent were ???

i dont understand, if and only if that letter is true and perhaps her parents are really innocent, then didnt they pay the amount for their daughter's sake? I remember 10 years ago when i read this article, the death was because of her mom's jealousy and obsession of her daughter?

Pat Ramsey's motive was her daughters beauty it was jealousy ............... thats sick....i stand by what ive written before it was her, and this guy is just seeking attention

[rebeccajo 14]

its is very sad indded.... but wouldnt it be more sad if karr wasnt guilty and her parent were ???

i dont understand, if and only if that letter is true and perhaps her parents are really innocent, then didnt they pay the amount for their daughter's sake? I remember 10 years ago when i read this article, the death was because of her mom's jealousy and obsession of her daughter?

Pat Ramsey's motive was her daughters beauty it was jealousy ............... thats sick....i stand by what ive written before it was her, and this guy is just seeking attention

Patsy Ramsey is dead. Leave her alone.

[Risto 0]

its is very sad indded.... but wouldnt it be more sad if karr wasnt guilty and her parent were ???

i dont understand, if and only if that letter is true and perhaps her parents are really innocent, then didnt they pay the amount for their daughter's sake? I remember 10 years ago when i read this article, the death was because of her mom's jealousy and obsession of her daughter?

Pat Ramsey's motive was her daughters beauty it was jealousy ............... thats sick....i stand by what ive written before it was her, and this guy is just seeking attention

Patsy Ramsey is dead. Leave her alone.

Patsy Ramsey killed the poor child she was sick woman.