i love liberals!

[Leasel7 1]

The Ku Klux Klan? Oral Roberts and Bob Jones University?

The Ku Klux Klan? Wow, you are really digging deep. Ummm, no...that does not equate to the evangelical church. If Oral Roberts (or the university, not sure what you mean by that) has some history of racism, that's news to me. And as for Bob Jones University, they are way off in left field and do not represent mainstream thought within the evangelical church by a long shot.

Edited August 10, 2006 by Leasel7

[Fuzzness 2]

The Ku Klux Klan? Oral Roberts and Bob Jones University?

And as for Bob Jones University, they are way off in left field and do not represent mainstream thought within the evangelical church by a long shot.

LEFT field?????????

[samir_shannon 0]

liberals have nothing better to do but blame all of the problems on a republican

[Mirorgate 0]

The Ku Klux Klan? Oral Roberts and Bob Jones University?

Oh I want to go to BJU! Taking bets on how long it takes for me to get kicked out.

2-1 odds are on less than 5 minutes

I got $5.. have to make it past getting books though.. this way we can see what kool-aide they using

[Fischkoepfin 1]

I read the original article and don't see much of a problem with it. Nor do I see that anyone is blaming Bush for Mel Gibson's hate speech. Rather, the author is contextualizing Gibson's moment of antisemitic slurs with the general political climate in America. That the climate exists, a climate in which liberals can be blamed for anything, is evident by the fact that this thread exists.

As to anti-semitism and evangelical churches, of course there's a connection. I'm not saying that all evangelicals are anti-semites, but there is a tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews because they do no believe in Christ (or at least not in the right way). There is also a tendency to conflate Jews with liberalism and Hollywood in the same way that it used to be quite popular to conflate Jews and communism back in the day. Remember the Rosenbergs?

Anyway, some links illustrating anti-semitism in evangellical churches:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport...cle.jsp?aid=205

http://pittsburgh.about.com/b/a/257186.htm

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4680_12.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/right_jews.htm

Edited August 10, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[incanada1234 0]

As to anti-semitism and evangelical churches, of course there's a connection. I'm not saying that all evangelicals are anti-semites, but there is a tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews because they do no believe in Christ (or at least not in the right way).

Ooooookaaaaaay.....ya lost me there. How is there a "tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews"? Where do you see this? Christians believe Jews are God's chosen people, so why exactly would we dislike them again...?

[chri'stina 190]

As to anti-semitism and evangelical churches, of course there's a connection. I'm not saying that all evangelicals are anti-semites, but there is a tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews because they do no believe in Christ (or at least not in the right way).

Ooooookaaaaaay.....ya lost me there. How is there a "tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews"? Where do you see this? Christians believe Jews are God's chosen people, so why exactly would we dislike them again...?

I genuinely wonder the same. I know that I don't know every evangelical Christian, but I know hundreds/thousands from through out my life. And usually they have a love for the Jewish people, and maybe they say they pray that the Jewish people will accept that Jesus was the Messiah, but I have personally never heard a racist or hateful comment towards Jews from any Christians I have ever known. From non-Christians? yes!

My dad is a pastor. Now we are in a small laid back type of church, could be called hippy-ish because we aren't into dressing up fancy and such. But in the past he helped at a big church that had around 1000 ppl. And besides my own church I have been involved in many other churches through friends of mine. Never heard hateful comments about Jews. The opposite in fact, a love for them (and for everyone in the world actually)

I am sure that some Christians would be rude about Jewish people, but they'd also be racist to others and that is not right at all (not acceptable to people I have known). I just don't think it's a majority.

Edited August 10, 2006 by stina&suj

[Fischkoepfin 1]

As to anti-semitism and evangelical churches, of course there's a connection. I'm not saying that all evangelicals are anti-semites, but there is a tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews because they do no believe in Christ (or at least not in the right way).

Ooooookaaaaaay.....ya lost me there. How is there a "tendency among evangelical Christians to dislike Jews"? Where do you see this? Christians believe Jews are God's chosen people, so why exactly would we dislike them again...?

Take a look at the links I posted for a start.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

And usually they have a love for the Jewish people, and maybe they say they pray that the Jewish people will accept that Jesus was the Messiah, but I have personally never heard a racist or hateful comment towards Jews from any Christians I have ever known. From non-Christians? yes!

Praying for Jewish people so that say might accept Jesus as the Messiah isn't exactly accepting of Jews, is it? You might call that positive racism, if you like, but that doesn't make it less offending to a Jew who holds his beliefs as cherished as any of those hoping for him to change his ways.

And to repeat, I do not think all evangelical Christians are anti-semitic but evangelical Christianity, particular among milllenial groups, has a tendency to condemn the beliefs those for whom they profess love.

Edited August 10, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[chri'stina 190]

And usually they have a love for the Jewish people, and maybe they say they pray that the Jewish people will accept that Jesus was the Messiah, but I have personally never heard a racist or hateful comment towards Jews from any Christians I have ever known. From non-Christians? yes!

Praying for Jewish people so that say might accept Jesus as the Messiah isn't exactly accepting of Jews, is it? You might call that positive racism, if you like, but that doesn't make it less offending to a Jew who holds his beliefs as cherished as any of those hoping for him to change his ways.

And to repeat, I do not think all evangelical Christians are anti-semitic but evangelical Christianity, particular among milllenial groups, has a tendency to condemn the beliefs those for whom they profess love.

I don't think accepting people means accepting what they believe. Accepting people means, no matter what you believe I still have respect for you. I know it may not be a nice thing for a Jewish person to hear, but I am sure they also have choice words at times for those who believe Jesus was the Messiah, especially if anyone in their own family converts. It's not about saying "what you believe is right" to still love a people. I hope it's coming across the way I mean, not sarcastically. And Christians pray for EVERYONE to accept Jesus into their lives, not just Jews.

It's personal opinion if someone thinks praying for someone = rejecting them as a people.

[incanada1234 0]

Praying for Jewish people so that say might accept Jesus as the Messiah isn't exactly accepting of Jews, is it? You might call that positive racism, if you like, but that doesn't make it less offending to a Jew who holds his beliefs as cherished as any of those hoping for him to change his ways.

I don't call that racism at all.

And to repeat, I do not think all evangelical Christians are anti-semitic but evangelical Christianity, particular among milllenial groups, has a tendency to condemn the beliefs those for whom they profess love.

Your links didn't tell me a whole lot. One of them was about Americans in general being anti-semitic, not Christians. One of them talked about Christians being anti-semitic because they pray for Jews to accept Christ. Sorry but as I stated above, I don't call that racism. We pray for EVERYone to accept Christ, not just Jews. Another was just some random blogger talking about how "back in the day" Christians would try to keep Jews out of their neighborhoods. No evidence to back it up, but ok, not a problem. Who needs proof anyway, right?

Edited August 10, 2006 by incanada1234

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And usually they have a love for the Jewish people, and maybe they say they pray that the Jewish people will accept that Jesus was the Messiah, but I have personally never heard a racist or hateful comment towards Jews from any Christians I have ever known. From non-Christians? yes!

Praying for Jewish people so that say might accept Jesus as the Messiah isn't exactly accepting of Jews, is it? You might call that positive racism, if you like, but that doesn't make it less offending to a Jew who holds his beliefs as cherished as any of those hoping for him to change his ways.

And to repeat, I do not think all evangelical Christians are anti-semitic but evangelical Christianity, particular among milllenial groups, has a tendency to condemn the beliefs those for whom they profess love.

Hate the sinner love the sin eh?

[Fuzzness 2]

Nothing wrong with praying that non-christians accept Jesus as their saviour.

However, telling a non-christian that they are praying that they accept Jesus is like telling them they are wrong, and is quite disrespectful.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nothing wrong with praying that non-christians accept Jesus as their saviour.

However, telling a non-christian that they are praying that they accept Jesus is like telling them they are wrong, and is quite disrespectful.

As usual its the methodology that becomes discriminatory, not necessarily the idea behind it.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Praying for Jewish people so that say might accept Jesus as the Messiah isn't exactly accepting of Jews, is it? You might call that positive racism, if you like, but that doesn't make it less offending to a Jew who holds his beliefs as cherished as any of those hoping for him to change his ways.

I don't call that racism at all.

And to repeat, I do not think all evangelical Christians are anti-semitic but evangelical Christianity, particular among milllenial groups, has a tendency to condemn the beliefs those for whom they profess love.

Your links didn't tell me a whole lot. One of them was about Americans in general being anti-semitic, not Christians. One of them talked about Christians being anti-semitic because they pray for Jews to accept Christ. Sorry but as I stated above, I don't call that racism. We pray for EVERYone to accept Christ, not just Jews. Another was just some random blogger talking about how "back in the day" Christians would try to keep Jews out of their neighborhoods. No evidence to back it up, but ok, not a problem. Who needs proof anyway, right?

I guess it depends on what you accept as proof. I highlighted some of the key parts in an exerpt of one of the articles I posted to support my views.

A study by the Institute for First Amendment Studies found a prevalence of anti-Semitism within the Christian Right. While some of the prejudice and hostility toward Jews is concealed, much is blatant. Stereotyping of Jews is widespread; and anti-Semitism in the form of aggressive missionary activity threatens the very existence of Judaism.

Several disturbing trends indicate that — unless sweeping changes are made — anti-Semitism within conservative Christianity will not only continue as a long-term problem, but will escalate sharply. Thousands of private Christian schools and Christian home schools utilize anti-Semitic textbooks. These textbooks include the "original" McGuffey's Readers, which have enjoyed a tremendous resurgence in recent years, and books published by Bob Jones University Press for use in Christian schools.

Additionally, the Christian Right's anti-abortion movement has anti-Semitic overtones. Anti-abortion groups such as Operation Rescue and Life Dynamics list "Jewish doctors" as the leading performers of abortion.

So-called "humanism" is under attack by the Religious Right in schools and other institutions across the country. Condemnation of humanism has anti-Semitic roots. Though seldom mentioned, Christian Right leaders link humanism with Judaism, saying "Judaism grew out of the rejection of Jesus Christ and steadily became humanism."1

Other disturbing observations involve a melding of extreme right-wing anti-Semites and their mainstream counterparts. Pastor Pete Peters, a nationally known anti-Semitic Christian Identity preacher, has found a home on the Keystone Inspiration Network. This Christian "family" network is available on cable TV in approximately 120 cities across the country.

The Rev. Donald Wildmon, the Methodist minister who heads the American Family Association (AFA), is no stranger to accusations of anti-Semitism. Though he denies being anti-Semitic, he has emerged as the darling of the anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby. In fact, his AFA has a special spot on Liberty Lobby's LogoPlex, an extreme-rightist computer bulletin board service.

Ofttimes, only the most blatant anti-Semitic incidents are reported. Much of the anti-Semitism within conservative Christianity goes unnoticed and unreported. Some forms are so subtle that only those familiar with the code words and innuendo can spot it.