I'm "African American"

[GabiandVi 34]

Affirmative action is not about stopping discrimination nor eliminating bigotry, unless one is speaking about it only in the broadest sense. It's designed to address the byproducts of discrimination and bigotry. It helps level the playing field and it is still needed in America today.

The covert discrimination that I see in the workplace today would be difficult, if not impossible, to remedy through the court. That's another reason why affirmative action is needed.

So what do you propose for the people who are victims of Affirmative Action? As a female and the wife and mother of minorities, I stand to benefit from AA, but what about those who are harmed by it?

[Krikit 1,166]

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[Nikita2Charles 33]

I wish I could say it's 2010, we have reach the promised land, we have a black president, KUMBAYAAAAAAAAA MY LORD NO MORE RACISM

I really pray one day we would reach Utopia. But until then we have to live with reality. I recall an incident by my little brother over 20 years ago, he came back from school, he had his walkman on listening to some Zouk and Soukous, right next to him was this blond hair, blue eye chick, she was knobing her head following the tunes. When my brother asked if she likes that kind of song, she said yeah, she even knew some of the Lyrics, she said she was African, they were both laughing, then she nodded really, I am from South Africa, she can speak english, Swahilli, other local African languages.

For others who feel there's no mo discrimination, it's all nice and rosey, you have been black and looking for a Job. Growing up in Marloborough Projects in Coney island, I have seen it all, lot of talented kids who just go wasted just because they didn't have the opportunity, or felt discouraged. some ended up in Prison, in Drugs and so on, but Lot of them made it, it all has to to with the kind of family value, and the kind of Background. Colin Power came from the bronx.

IF both of you have the same qualifications and apply for the same Job let say hmm in Austin or any town that's predominantly white, Guess whose going to get the JOB?

Let say you have a PHD and the other guy is white and have a bachelor, you have years of experience, and a new college Grad who is white applying for the same Job, hmmm Guess whose going to get that JOB?

When you can honestly tell me in these 2 scenario who should get the Job, not based on color but on qualification, then I can really tell you we have reach UTOPIA.

Personal experience, I travel for work and they would send a limo to pick me up, 70% of the time, i would reach the driver and tell them my name and he'll be like Ho!!! Wow!! I am sorry i ddin't know that was you, mostly they would expect some old gray hair white guy.

I would have Top manager at client site passing me by, and later on I would meet them at conferences, they would be like, HO!! I am so sorry I didn't know that was you.

Another one they would complaint about the help coming out from California, and at meetings they would ask for the resources only to find out I was already here, they would be Ho!!! It's you.

Here's another one

I diddn't know YOU PEOPLE study things like PHYSICS, I had to remind him about some inventions of the so called YOU PEOPLE made, and their contributions to society. THis incident didn't happen to my grandparents, 50 years ago or so on, i am right into the 2000's

Nowadays it's very subtle, it's not like the old Jim Crow days of down south, but a lot of folks just don't wear the white robe on the outside.

With that alone, I should say you can never generalize, Some of the best Directors and managers I had were white guys, and to be honest with you, I fare better under white managers than Asians, it has something to do with the clanish mindest, you hire an asian managers, specially let's say Vietman, the whole place will turn into little saigon.

There are good people and bad people in all color, race and creed, you have to live your life based on your own values, and knowing at the end of the day we are all passing through, we are only the keeper of this body, and the resources that's been giving to us while we are passing through, as we started from Dust we were born naked without anything, and we'll return to dust and leave everything behind.

Edited February 9, 2010 by Nikita2Charles

[mawilson 2,133]

Are you looking forward to a date when the Holocaust will be forgotten?

Yes.

Or how the Native Americans were dealt with?

Already forgotten.

Does history ever matter?

Only in figuring out what not to do so we don't repeat mistakes, otherwise - no.

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

Oh for the Love of God, I really do think you like to argue to hear yourself talk....or at least see yourself write.

I WOULD NOT WANT A JOB WHERE I DID NOT OBTAIN SAID JOB BASED PURELY ON MERIT.

Is that easy enough for you to understand now? Shall we pull it apart somehow so you have someone to quote?

however, some don't mind using the race card to get a job. just found this one in the news:

Missouri court overturns $2.1 million verdict in KC judgeship case

An appeals court today threw out a $2.1 million verdict that jurors had awarded a Northland lawyer who contended that she was unfairly bypassed for a judgeship.

Melissa Howard won the award in 2008, after contending that the Kansas City Council did not choose her for a municipal judgeship because it wanted a racial minority candidate for the job.

Missouri’s Western District Court of Appeals found, however, that the Missouri Human Rights Act does not apply to the city’s process for appointing municipal judges. According to the appeals court, the trial judge should have directed a verdict in the city’s favor.

Howard’s lawsuit stemmed from her selection as a finalist for a municipal judgeship in 2006. The Municipal Judicial Nominating Commission submitted her name, along with that of two other candidates, after reviewing 13 applications, including six from minorities.

The City Council later rejected that panel. A new council took office in May 2007 and subsequently chose Katherine Emke as a municipal judge from a new panel that didn’t include Howard.

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I see I haven't missed much

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So what do you propose for the people who are victims of Affirmative Action? As a female and the wife and mother of minorities, I stand to benefit from AA, but what about those who are harmed by it?

I'm surprised given all the interest here from people over Affirmative Action, that they don't know about this Supreme Court case.

Regents of the University of California v. Bakke

The Medical School of the University of California at Davis was typical. It reserved sixteen of the one hundred slots in its entering classes for minorities. In 1973 and again in 1974, Allan Bakke, a white applicant, was denied admission although his test scores and grades were better than most or all of those admitted through the special program. He sued.

Allan Bakke won his case...

Justice Powell wrote:

The Constitution can tolerate no “two-class” theory of equal protection. There is no principled basis for deciding between classes that deserve special judicial attention and those that don't. To think otherwise would involve the Court in making all kinds of “political” decisions it is not competent to make. In expounding the Constitution, the Court's role is to discern “principles sufficiently absolute to give them roots throughout the community and continuity over significant periods of time, and to lift them above the pragmatic political judgments of a particular time and place.”^[16]

The special admissions program was unconstitutional. So concluded Justice Powell.

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I see I haven't missed much

[Peikko 1,575]

however, some don't mind using the race card to get a job. just found this one in the news:

Missouri court overturns $2.1 million verdict in KC judgeship case

An appeals court today threw out a $2.1 million verdict that jurors had awarded a Northland lawyer who contended that she was unfairly bypassed for a judgeship.

Melissa Howard won the award in 2008, after contending that the Kansas City Council did not choose her for a municipal judgeship because it wanted a racial minority candidate for the job.

Missouri's Western District Court of Appeals found, however, that the Missouri Human Rights Act does not apply to the city's process for appointing municipal judges. According to the appeals court, the trial judge should have directed a verdict in the city's favor.

Howard's lawsuit stemmed from her selection as a finalist for a municipal judgeship in 2006. The Municipal Judicial Nominating Commission submitted her name, along with that of two other candidates, after reviewing 13 applications, including six from minorities.

The City Council later rejected that panel. A new council took office in May 2007 and subsequently chose Katherine Emke as a municipal judge from a new panel that didn't include Howard.

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That doesn't prove that the candidates themselves wanted to be awarded the job just because they are minorities at all.

What this person felt was unfair certainly did not prove that any of the other candidates were not equally or better placed to get the job. All she proved was that the panel awarding the position wanted to place a minority candidate by preference. All that proves is that there were grounds for her feeling that she couldn't have got the job even IF she were a better candidate it does not prove that she definitely was the better candidate.

None of that places any motivation on the candidates at all, I am sure all of them wanted to be awarded the job on merit, not because someone felt sorry for them. Please, grow up.

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

That doesn't prove that the candidates themselves wanted to be awarded the job just because they are minorities at all.

What this person felt was unfair certainly did not prove that any of the other candidates were not equally or better placed to get the job. All she proved was that the panel awarding the position wanted to place a minority candidate by preference. All that proves is that there were grounds for her feeling that she couldn't have got the job even IF she were a better candidate it does not prove that she definitely was the better candidate.

None of that places any motivation on the candidates at all, I am sure all of them wanted to be awarded the job on merit, not because someone felt sorry for them. Please, grow up.

the winner had be a minority, not the winner had to be the best qualified.

[Peikko 1,575]

the winner had be a minority, not the winner had to be the best qualified.

So? That does not mean that the candidates felt they were being picked because they were not as qualified, or even better qualified, nor does it mean that they were not either. It just means that the person making the complaint could prove to a degree that she was awarded compensation that she wouldn't have been picked no matter what. Can you even see the difference?

Edited February 9, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

So? That does not mean that the candidates felt they were being picked because they were not as qualified, or even better qualified, nor does it mean that they were not either. It just means that the person making the complaint could prove that she wouldn't have been picked no matter what. Can you even see the difference?

limiting the selection to certain races and excluding other races does not mean the best qualified for the job got the job. do you understand that?

and regarding your edit - she didn't get any compensation. nor a job. read what i posted and you'll see why.

Edited February 9, 2010 by charles!

[natty bumppo 297]

the winner had be a minority, not the winner had to be the best qualified.

like here ... one more example

Ricci v. DeStefano is a 2009 decision by the Supreme Court of the United States arising from a lawsuit brought against the city of New Haven, Connecticut by nineteen city firefighters alleging that the city discriminated against them with regard to promotions.^[1] The firefighters, seventeen of whom are white and two of whom are Hispanic, had all passed the test for promotions to management. City of New Haven officials invalidated the test results because none of the black firefighters who passed the exam had scored high enough to be considered for the positions. They stated that they feared a lawsuit over the test's disparate impact on a protected minority. The complainants claimed they were denied the promotions because of their race—a form of racial discrimination.^[2][3]

Edited February 9, 2010 by Natty Bumppo

[Peikko 1,575]

It does not prove that she was the best qualified period. And, even if it did, that still does not go any way to prove the motivation of any of the other candidates in applying for the job so this is NOT PROOF that the other candidates were playing some race card.

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

It does not prove that she was the best qualified period. And, even if it did, that still does not go any way to prove the motivation of any of the other candidates in applying for the job so this is NOT PROOF that the other candidates were playing some race card.

nor can you prove she wasn't the best qualified. it was a loaded selection process. if that does not bother you, then i'm apparently wasting my time.

and given the noise made over the selection, the winner was aware she was picked due to her minority status, and that apparently didn't bother her as she still holds the position.

[Peikko 1,575]

limiting the selection to certain races and excluding other races does not mean the best qualified for the job got the job. do you understand that?

and regarding your edit - she didn't get any compensation. nor a job. read what i posted and you'll see why.

It doesn't mean that the best qualified for the job didn't get the job either. She was awarded compensation and then that compensation award was overturned, for legal reasons. NONE OF THAT MATTERS in terms of your proving that minority candidates 'enjoy playing the race card'. IT"S TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.