Can someone explain this bible verse to me?

[scandal 951]

- What always amazes me is people who are convinced that God does not exist yet they can cite more bible verses than most Christians. and ponder these subjects with such intensity.

Why does that amaze you? What's the correlation between having faith, and being a Biblical scholar? In point of fact, there is none. People of faith (Christians, Jews, etc.) can be Biblical scholars, and so can atheists.

Most of the scholars who have developed the chronology of the Bible (Old Testament) as part of the Documentary Hypothesis, and competing models to it, are academic scholars and not people of faith. Their work involves very precise and exacting analysis of the original Hebrew texts, and parsing out the source authorship (J,E,P,D sources). They can most certainly cite "more bible verses" than your average Christian - certainly in the original Hebrew, and they devote their careers to these subjects with tremendous intensity.

Documentary Hypothsis contends that the Bible is not the literal word of God at Sinai, but rather is a compendium of different texts authored by different people (coded J,E,P,D) at different moments of history, and then "redacted" together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

[Heracles 417]

That would be great proof of God's existence if He actually answered prayers.

So because God does not literally answer them then he must not be true? What would we as humans learn or strive for if God told us everything and did everything for us? Nothing and it would also be a boring life. Trials and tribulations are what make us humans.

[웃 910]

God seriously don't exist. No question about it.

Perhaps a question of size, we can feel very big compared to subatomic particles, but feel infinitesimal when viewing our universe. And while we may conceive our universe as being extremely huge, it could also be subatomic particles composing just a small part of a pimple on some large aliens butt. One thing really large about us, is our egos.

Our universe is just to complex to be an accident, can't buy that, and extremely well engineered, so have to believe if not a God, a Creator, maybe not one creator, but a large group of them. We are certainly not responsible for the creation of anything, in particular our bodies, again, extremely well engineered. Just can't believe that was an accident. Try designing a three layer chip with over two million transistors where everyone of them serves a purpose and if just one goes bad, the entire chip is worthless. But that is nothing compared to the universe and even the earth we live in and on. Just too complicated and very well thought out to be an accident.

Looks good on paper but if you seriously believe that possibly the universe "could also be subatomic particles composing just a small part of a pimple on some large aliens butt" then you might want to schedule an appointment with your psychotherapist!!

[Heracles 417]

Note to self: Don't get angry. Product of Michigan education system.

Edited November 2, 2009 by Booyah!

[웃 910]

That would be great proof of God's existence if He actually answered prayers.

So because God does not literally answer them then he must not be true? What would we as humans learn or strive for if God told us everything and did everything for us? Nothing and it would also be a boring life. Trials and tribulations are what make us humans.

Didn't say that. Said it would be 1 proof if God at minimum answered His "believers" prayers. But since He does not / cannot / will not answer a prayer because God (IMO) is not real it goes to the other side as 1 proof that God does not exist.

It would be another 1 proof if God could verbally communicate with His believers. Can't. Another 1 proof He doesn't exist.

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred. Would anyone re-elect Him (this is so cool to talk about Him like He is a Pres., lol) knowing of all the World Wars, Civil Wars, number of rapes, number of starvations, even obesity, people in poverty, disease, pain, # of people without clean water, number of atrocities that have happened under His Regime? Now you may say that life, for the most part is good (yes, yours probably is and I'm content with mine) but most people don't live in America (or Western countries). "Almost half the world---over 3 billion people---live on less than $2.50 a day" <---LINK

Even things such as blindness, deafness, paralysis, retardation. If God created man why would He allow babies to be born retarded? Born with birth defects? Why would it be even possible to become paralyzed? That is absurdly sickening to me for God to have "engineered" a human being that can be born mentally (or physically) retarded.

There are many of proofs I can give you that either the answer to it all is God is not real or God is one incredibly evil and Unholy Creator. Can I get a recount!

[Danno 1,228]

- What always amazes me is people who are convinced that God does not exist yet they can cite more bible verses than most Christians. and ponder these subjects with such intensity.

Why does that amaze you? What's the correlation between having faith, and being a Biblical scholar? In point of fact, there is none. People of faith (Christians, Jews, etc.) can be Biblical scholars, and so can atheists.

Most of the scholars who have developed the chronology of the Bible (Old Testament) as part of the Documentary Hypothesis, and competing models to it, are academic scholars and not people of faith. Their work involves very precise and exacting analysis of the original Hebrew texts, and parsing out the source authorship (J,E,P,D sources). They can most certainly cite "more bible verses" than your average Christian - certainly in the original Hebrew, and they devote their careers to these subjects with tremendous intensity.

Documentary Hypothsis contends that the Bible is not the literal word of God at Sinai, but rather is a compendium of different texts authored by different people (coded J,E,P,D) at different moments of history, and then "redacted" together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

I agree with you in this regard 100%

While some people are driven by the study of history, Culture language etc.

I am baffled by people who seem to make it a hobby.... no, lets call it a mission to disprove something they don't even believe in. Most of the time these on-line missionaries of non-faith have a very selective area of study on the topic such as: Contradictions in the Bible 101.

They can quote (sometimes literally) dozens of passages yet can't discuss common Biblical events or Characters.

Just seems odd to me <shrugs>

[NickD 203]

God seriously don't exist. No question about it.

Perhaps a question of size, we can feel very big compared to subatomic particles, but feel infinitesimal when viewing our universe. And while we may conceive our universe as being extremely huge, it could also be subatomic particles composing just a small part of a pimple on some large aliens butt. One thing really large about us, is our egos.

Our universe is just to complex to be an accident, can't buy that, and extremely well engineered, so have to believe if not a God, a Creator, maybe not one creator, but a large group of them. We are certainly not responsible for the creation of anything, in particular our bodies, again, extremely well engineered. Just can't believe that was an accident. Try designing a three layer chip with over two million transistors where everyone of them serves a purpose and if just one goes bad, the entire chip is worthless. But that is nothing compared to the universe and even the earth we live in and on. Just too complicated and very well thought out to be an accident.

Looks good on paper but if you seriously believe that possibly the universe "could also be subatomic particles composing just a small part of a pimple on some large aliens butt" then you might want to schedule an appointment with your psychotherapist!!

That's the whole key, proof, you prove that we are not apart of a pimple on some aliens butt. Perhaps even of more concern than the existence of a creator of some type, is the question that has yet never been proven, is there life after death? Or is this all we get? The human brain is an organ just like any other in our bodies that gives the sense of being. If you met a lot of people with brain damage or a disease that has adverse affects on the brain, can really begin to wonder if there is life after death. They have no sense of being.

[mawilson 2,133]

I think where a lot of people get confused is with the unknown or better yet with the notion of evolution. People assume that since the bible, for example, does not discuss it, they must be mutually isolated from one another. Personally, I don't think so. If you realistically stop and think of the intelligence of God as we call him, though he's not a human, it's not that had to assume that God would be infinitely intelligent. As such, could have easily have concocted evolution. Yet, God was the missing link. A superior being explains the perfection of the world.

If God is so superior, how come he was pooped after 6 days and had to rest?

[BluesTraveler 0]

Now I'm not sure what kind of silliness they believed back in the year 1AD. 100AD. 200AD. 500AD. 1000AD. But I can tell you that man thought the world was flat in 1500AD (just 500 years ago). Now think about that.

Not really true.

The Greek - Eratosthenes in ~240BCE had a pretty good estimate of the size of the Earth.

Eratosthenes wasn't the first Greek who believed the Earth was round, before him Pythagoras, Plato, and Aristotle, all believed the Earth was round. Eratosthenes was the first Greek to use trigonometry to determine the size of the Earth.

Columbus knew the Earth was round, he just underestimated the size of the Earth.

[Nessa 23]

donkey genital talk is just sick and perverted

[Peikko 1,575]

The so called 'complexity' of life is not really that hard to understand and certainly does not require an 'intelligent' being to have created it. The human is not very good at seeing how complexity is what it is because it has become that way over millennium. We look at what has been created and call it complex not realizing that it is the product of millions of chance occurrences and it could only be that way because this is the function of the rules that govern matter. God is the factor X that would effectively render the rules of matter meaningless so the reality is, god can't exist.

[justashooter 430]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred.

read the book. your answer is in it. god is not in control of the earth. he has given control of the earth to satan, who is the "prince of the powers of the air". this happened right after that apple thing. (eph 2:2)

the bible is a spiritual book, concerning the spiritual contest between holiness and unholiness. this spiritual contest occurs within the environment of a physical world. in the time before the earth god created the angels to serve him. the brightest and most beautiful angel was lucifer. lucifer plotted with other angels to overthrow god, and lost in his attempt. for this rebellion he was cast from the heavens down upon the earth, where god had created man to commune with him.

lucifer tempted eve in the garden (god knew this was happening) and since then she has travailed in giving birth (created more children). the children of men were created in the form of a playing field in a second contest between holiness and unholiness. men have choice. angles have not had choice since the heavenly rebellion. thus, the result of the choice of some men to be holy, when faced with travail and temptation (job, christ), is evidence of the innate value of holiness. we are on this earth only to play this game out.

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

I think where a lot of people get confused is with the unknown or better yet with the notion of evolution. People assume that since the bible, for example, does not discuss it, they must be mutually isolated from one another. Personally, I don't think so. If you realistically stop and think of the intelligence of God as we call him, though he's not a human, it's not that had to assume that God would be infinitely intelligent. As such, could have easily have concocted evolution. Yet, God was the missing link. A superior being explains the perfection of the world.

If God is so superior, how come he was pooped after 6 days and had to rest?

because making texas so great wore him out.

[웃 910]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred.

...god is not in control of the earth. he has given control of the earth to satan, who is the "prince of the powers of the air". this happened right after that apple thing. (eph 2:2)

the bible is a spiritual book, concerning the spiritual contest between holiness and unholiness. this spiritual contest occurs within the environment of a physical world. in the time before the earth god created the angels to serve him. the brightest and most beautiful angel was lucifer. lucifer plotted with other angels to overthrow god, and lost in his attempt. for this rebellion he was cast from the heavens down upon the earth, where god had created man to commune with him.

lucifer tempted eve in the garden (god knew this was happening) and since then she has travailed in giving birth (created more children). the children of men were created in the form of a playing field in a second contest between holiness and unholiness. men have choice. angles have not had choice since the heavenly rebellion. thus, the result of the choice of some men to be holy, when faced with travail and temptation (job, christ), is evidence of the innate value of holiness. we are on this earth only to play this game out.

If that doesn't sound like the biggest fairytale bedtime story I have heard in my life then I don't know what does!!

Do you actual believe what you just wrote?

[NickD 203]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred.

...god is not in control of the earth. he has given control of the earth to satan, who is the "prince of the powers of the air". this happened right after that apple thing. (eph 2:2)

the bible is a spiritual book, concerning the spiritual contest between holiness and unholiness. this spiritual contest occurs within the environment of a physical world. in the time before the earth god created the angels to serve him. the brightest and most beautiful angel was lucifer. lucifer plotted with other angels to overthrow god, and lost in his attempt. for this rebellion he was cast from the heavens down upon the earth, where god had created man to commune with him.

lucifer tempted eve in the garden (god knew this was happening) and since then she has travailed in giving birth (created more children). the children of men were created in the form of a playing field in a second contest between holiness and unholiness. men have choice. angles have not had choice since the heavenly rebellion. thus, the result of the choice of some men to be holy, when faced with travail and temptation (job, christ), is evidence of the innate value of holiness. we are on this earth only to play this game out.

If that doesn't sound like the biggest fairytale bedtime story I have heard in my life then I don't know what does!!

Do you actual believe what you just wrote?

I can believe that the devil was created by man with his need to blame someone else for his problems, ha, the devil made me do it. With some of the product liability cases I was involved with, people certainly to love to blame someone else even though our involvement with them, was just being there. But we were there and have money they were trying to steal from us.

Found that section in the New Testament where Jesus was tempted by Satan to be ludicrous to say the least. They are not talking about a man, but God himself as there is suppose to be only one God. But all this stuff comes from the Jewish people, very small population with perhaps a very good imagination. And feel their claim about being God's chosen people is the major cause of their grief throughout history. Speaking about where is God, where is Jesus as well? Would be nice just to get a small hint to his spiritual existence. But as I said before, just words.