Why Fox News isn't news

[JimVaPhuong 4,864]

Funny how shes making Fox not news on her/his real news show.

I am new here, but I am tired of clip and paste opinions. This is lazy and sophomoric. please itemize and elucidate your opinions...I would enjoy a discussion.

Agreed. I've only ventured into this forum a few times when I was bored. I tried to engage in an honest debate, presenting facts I thought were relevant. What I got in response were smug responders who made quips and one-liners, and then patted each other on the back as if they actually produced a counter argument. I think "sophomoric" is giving them too much credit.

I've been on other forums where discussions about current issues was on topic, and they had strict rules about discussion and debate. When referring to printed articles you could only quote relevant sections (not the entire article), and you were required to always provide the source (to avoid problems with plagiarism and fair use). Some have requirements that the source had to be accessible online to all forum members. You were also required to give an opinion or comment on whatever you quoted (again, to avoid problems with fair use, as well as accusations you were just posting to stir $h.t). The best rule was that the use of any logical fallacy in the discussion would bring down the wrath of the entire forum on you. Hit and run one-liners are the online equivalent of tagging freeway signs with a can of spray paint, and ad hominem attacks would quickly get you banned.

When you force people to actually discuss the issue without resorting to infantile antics, it raises the level of the debate several notches. It also makes it clear who is able to actually defend their position, and who is not.

[nowhereman 1]

Fox News is of course news, but their claim of being "fair & balanced" is laughable. It blatantly caters to a right of center audience, which the right argues balances out the plethora of left of center media outlets. I don't dispute this assertion, but at the same time recognize & admit what Fox News stands for: a media outlet for the right.

[nowhereman 1]

Funny how shes making Fox not news on her/his real news show.

I am new here, but I am tired of clip and paste opinions. This is lazy and sophomoric. please itemize and elucidate your opinions...I would enjoy a discussion.

Agreed. I've only ventured into this forum a few times when I was bored. I tried to engage in an honest debate, presenting facts I thought were relevant. What I got in response were smug responders who made quips and one-liners, and then patted each other on the back as if they actually produced a counter argument. I think "sophomoric" is giving them too much credit.

I've been on other forums where discussions about current issues was on topic, and they had strict rules about discussion and debate. When referring to printed articles you could only quote relevant sections (not the entire article), and you were required to always provide the source (to avoid problems with plagiarism and fair use). Some have requirements that the source had to be accessible online to all forum members. You were also required to give an opinion or comment on whatever you quoted (again, to avoid problems with fair use, as well as accusations you were just posting to stir $h.t). The best rule was that the use of any logical fallacy in the discussion would bring down the wrath of the entire forum on you. Hit and run one-liners are the online equivalent of tagging freeway signs with a can of spray paint, and ad hominem attacks would quickly get you banned.

When you force people to actually discuss the issue without resorting to infantile antics, it raises the level of the debate several notches. It also makes it clear who is able to actually defend their position, and who is not.

You hit the nail on the head. The vast majority of OT trolls prefer (and even enjoy) a knockdown, drag out fight full of rhetoric, bashing & unsupported opinions than a meaningful discussion based on facts & reasonable assumptions. Sometimes these exchanges are fun to watch & participate in, but more often than not they end up as exchanges of insults.

[Danno 1,228]

Fox News is of course news, but their claim of being "fair & balanced" is laughable. It blatantly caters to a right of center audience, which the right argues balances out the plethora of left of center media outlets. I don't dispute this assertion, but at the same time recognize & admit what Fox News stands for: a media outlet for the right.

With the ratings they pull down, it's obvious their news outlet is followed by a much larger audience than THE RIGHT...... unless THE RIGHT is a whole lot bigger (and more ineffectual) than I thought.

[NickD 203]

Funny how shes making Fox not news on her/his real news show.

I am new here, but I am tired of clip and paste opinions. This is lazy and sophomoric. please itemize and elucidate your opinions...I would enjoy a discussion.

please itemize and elucidate your opinions

Ha, and make that a true opinion, not a formed opinion. What is the truth? Popular discussion on Wisconsin Public Radio, more of a means of getting audience share and selling soap, then giving the true facts.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't believe that this debate is still going on.

The corporate news media (especially in broadcast television) is a bunch of #######, pretty much across the board.

I don't get why people rush to the defence of Fox News whenever it is subject to criticism - its like saying "it may be a #######, but at least its my #######".

[Joseph & Ana 0]

its like saying "it may be a #######, but at least its my #######".

Thats what we say about you on a daily basis!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

its like saying "it may be a #######, but at least its my #######".

Thats what we say about you on a daily basis!

More like your inner monolog coming out. You should take care of that.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

its like saying "it may be a #######, but at least its my #######".

Thats what we say about you on a daily basis!

More like your inner monolog coming out. You should take care of that.

I guess you could call a ####### a mono.....log....

[nowhereman 1]

Fox News is of course news, but their claim of being "fair & balanced" is laughable. It blatantly caters to a right of center audience, which the right argues balances out the plethora of left of center media outlets. I don't dispute this assertion, but at the same time recognize & admit what Fox News stands for: a media outlet for the right.

With the ratings they pull down, it's obvious their news outlet is followed by a much larger audience than THE RIGHT...... unless THE RIGHT is a whole lot bigger (and more ineffectual) than I thought.

Don't confuse ratings with agreeing with a particular slant on the news. I'd say there are two other significant reasons why Fox gets good ratings: Babes in short skirts & the controversy factor. Evidence to support this claim: Whenever there is a controversy about a Fox reporter (e.g. Glenn Beck) the ratings actually go up. Secondly you never used to see babes in short skirts on CNN & now you see it all the time (the old if you can't beat em, join em scenario).

[NickD 203]

You guys are all a bunch of MOONCALVES!!!!!!!

New word of the day on tonights The O'Reilly Factor. Best news program in the business!! Don't be a MOONCALF, watch Fox!!

Feel I did my share to support Bill O'Reilly, I did buy a Bill O'Reilly coffee mug, tee-shirt, and a roll of toilet paper. Although not sure why he was selling the latter, had his face printed on each sheet. But I guess anything to make a couple of extra bucks.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

My main point is that I am glad the media is discussing the issue instead of rallying around Fox News from being banned from the interviews at the WH. If the other networks wanted to say they weren't going to do the interviews then every reporter knows that they are basically shooting themselves in the foot because it's their bread and butter. The White House was within their right to refuse interviews with Fox and I reference the video as she says, "The difference between Fox and news is that Fox is now actively organizing and promoting a protest movement against the US government." Fox Network runs promos for tax day tea party protests, 9/12 marches, and organizing anti-government street protests thus making them an opposition political outlet to the White House. In the early formation of our government it was not uncommon for print journalism to be associated with some line of political affiliation. Just as today various media outlets are known to have media bias. Journalism ethics have evolved since then. The standard is to report the news not create the news. By Fox News involving themselves in organizing anti-government protests they are creating the news which crosses the line and does not a news organization make. That is masquerading as a news network for personal agendas. Other examples similar to this are Dateline NBC with their "to catch a predator" show. They set that up themselves thus creating the news and entrapping people instead of simply reporting the news. There are real pitfalls with tortious newsgathering.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

My main point is that I am glad the media is discussing the issue instead of rallying around Fox News from being banned from the interviews at the WH. If the other networks wanted to say they weren't going to do the interviews then every reporter knows that they are basically shooting themselves in the foot because it's their bread and butter. The White House was within their right to refuse interviews with Fox and I reference the video as she says, "The difference between Fox and news is that Fox is now actively organizing and promoting a protest movement against the US government." Fox Network runs promos for tax day tea party protests, 9/12 marches, and organizing anti-government street protests thus making them an opposition political outlet to the White House. In the early formation of our government it was not uncommon for print journalism to be associated with some line of political affiliation. Just as today various media outlets are known to have media bias. Journalism ethics have evolved since then. The standard is to report the news not create the news. By Fox News involving themselves in organizing anti-government protests they are creating the news which crosses the line and does not a news organization make. That is masquerading as a news network for personal agendas. Other examples similar to this are Dateline NBC with their "to catch a predator" show. They set that up themselves thus creating the news and entrapping people instead of simply reporting the news. There are real pitfalls with tortious newsgathering.

No.. Wrong.. Its that Obama doesn't want to answer any hard questions. And his little pansies at the All Barack Channels throw him fluff balls on a daily basis.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Fox doesn't ask the tough questions, they just say that they do.

[cdneh 3,112]

My main point is that I am glad the media is discussing the issue instead of rallying around Fox News from being banned from the interviews at the WH. If the other networks wanted to say they weren't going to do the interviews then every reporter knows that they are basically shooting themselves in the foot because it's their bread and butter. The White House was within their right to refuse interviews with Fox and I reference the video as she says, "The difference between Fox and news is that Fox is now actively organizing and promoting a protest movement against the US government." Fox Network runs promos for tax day tea party protests, 9/12 marches, and organizing anti-government street protests thus making them an opposition political outlet to the White House. In the early formation of our government it was not uncommon for print journalism to be associated with some line of political affiliation. Just as today various media outlets are known to have media bias. Journalism ethics have evolved since then. The standard is to report the news not create the news. By Fox News involving themselves in organizing anti-government protests they are creating the news which crosses the line and does not a news organization make. That is masquerading as a news network for personal agendas. Other examples similar to this are Dateline NBC with their "to catch a predator" show. They set that up themselves thus creating the news and entrapping people instead of simply reporting the news. There are real pitfalls with tortious newsgathering.

No.. Wrong.. Its that Obama doesn't want to answer any hard questions. And his little pansies at the All Barack Channels throw him fluff balls on a daily basis.

True. Heaven forbid he would have to actually answer a genuine hard question. Such a wuss.