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Obama has bombed Pakistan, so he's also a war-monger. So was Bill Clinton.

There we go, Joe. You've done your duty to moral relativism ;)

I suppose... as you do on a daily basis. Hence your comment about Bush when he has nothing to do with Obama's award.

Again, my comment is less about Obama, Clinton, and Bush as it is about your hypocrisy. You won't call Obama a warmonger, or Clinton, but you'll call Bush one for doing the same thing.

The comment says so much more about you, than the 3 above.

Well... its quite simply really. Obama didn't start the wars, Bush did.

To tell the truth I've never been beholden to any US admininstration, Obama included. Unfortunately, what distinguishes this country from others I've lived in is that you have these die-hard partisan types (like yourself) who are so obsessed with your own biases, that its become impossible to have a rational discussion about politics that doesn't end up diving into the gutter of the partisan divide.

Joe - you are an embarrassment to your country and its the perception of opinions like yours that gives rise to anti-american sentiment overseas.

I don't give a @#%& what someone overseas thinks of me. I don't give a #%@ what someone here thinks of me.

Obama started the war in Pakistan didn't he? He's prolonging the wars in Afgh and Iraq right?

Was Clinton a warmonger? How about Obama?

Obama is the embarassment to this country. All the world dictatorships are giggling behind the scenes at what a fool he is.

If the only way to earn the Nobel Peace prize is by achieving peace, then there wouldn't be any such award to date as the world has yet to see the day when it lives in peace. Rather, the prize is awarded to individuals and/or organizations that work towards that goal and promote peaceful avenues of diplomacy and cooperation rather than military action or other acts of violence.

The US has been on the latter course for the past 8 years and one thing the new President is demonstrating is that he seeks to change that course. Naturally, that does not sit well with the gun toting, chest beating, my-way-or-the-highway crowd that Bush and his inept neo-cons tended to please but it does a heck of a lot more in terms of promoting peaceful coexistence of peoples across the globe and towards the elusive goal of peace in the world than the old road could ever dream to accomplish.

Empty Empty... Excuses excuses.

He doesn't deserve the award. Stop towing the line.

Fortunately, Joe, people that grasp the concept and complexity of interational relations, organizations and diplomacy get to make these decisions. Quite obviously, you're not one of them.

You're hilarious. You just in soooooo many useless words admitted he has done NOTHING, and yet you still think he deserves an award (even if in a couple years these "TRIES" are failures)

You don't understand a thing I said.

Yes i do.. You gave paragraph after paragraph of excuses on how Obama hasn't really done anything, but he is given "hope" to the world (even though most Soviet satellite states can't stand him - i guess they don't count). Then you proceed to imply he deserves the award.

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Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

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I love the guy, voted for him when he ran for president, agree with his politics, etc. But I have to be honest, I don't get this award. Every time I think of the Nobel Peace Prize I think of people like Mother Theresa and such, but Obama is just doing his job like most presidents are, so I don't get it.

But still I'm glad he got it and not the devil incarnate, Piedad Córdoba.

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Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

Did he or did he not bomb Pakistan? Did he or did he not attack pirates?

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Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

Did he or did he not bomb Pakistan? Did he or did he not attack pirates?

Yes.

Military action doesn't make one a warmonger unless one makes a habit of it. Opening up two major wars makes Bush a warmonger.

Whether Obama will be one remains to be seen.

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But I have to be honest, I don't get this award. Every time I think of the Nobel Peace Prize I think of people like Mother Theresa and such, but Obama is just doing his job like most presidents are, so I don't get it.

Diana

I agree. Reading the list of previous award winners, like Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Aung San Suu Kyi. I just cannot justify adding President Obama to that list.

So far Obama has done nothing to earn this award, just like he said in his speech earlier this morning, he does not deserve it. I do hope that in time he will but that is not grounds for giving it to him when he's been in office less than a year.

Even worse, the person who nominated him must have done it before February 1st, 11 days after the Obama inauguration. What had Obama done by then to deserve the nomination and who's the !@#$% who nominated him. Probably the same person who nominated Al Gore. :bonk:

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But I have to be honest, I don't get this award. Every time I think of the Nobel Peace Prize I think of people like Mother Theresa and such, but Obama is just doing his job like most presidents are, so I don't get it.

Diana

I agree. Reading the list of previous award winners, like Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Aung San Suu Kyi. I just cannot justify adding President Obama to that list.

So far Obama has done nothing to earn this award, just like he said in his speech earlier this morning, he does not deserve it. I do hope that in time he will but that is not grounds for giving it to him when he's been in office less than a year.

Even worse, the person who nominated him must have done it before February 1st, 11 days after the Obama inauguration. What had Obama done by then to deserve the nomination and who's the !@#$% who nominated him. Probably the same person who nominated Al Gore. :bonk:

Those crazy Norwegians. Serves them right for snubbing Sweden out of the decision making process.

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Geez! Stop the whining and just be happy that a US president has received some recognition.

I have never seen so much negativity from people ... except from my x-wife ... and what a miserable soul. :angry:

Would you be happy if Bush won it?

Predictable answer - "He didn't deserve it, and he never would have gotten it"

Thanks, no need to post an answer I already know what yours is.

Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

Did he or did he not bomb Pakistan? Did he or did he not attack pirates?

Yes.

Military action doesn't make one a warmonger unless one makes a habit of it. Opening up two major wars makes Bush a warmonger.

Whether Obama will be one remains to be seen.

So its a rule, Obama started 1 war.. Bush started 2 - therefore Bush is the warmonger because he went over the 1 war rule.

I guess Clinton failed that test eh? Since he was involved in more than 1

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Geez! Stop the whining and just be happy that a US president has received some recognition.

I have never seen so much negativity from people ... except from my x-wife ... and what a miserable soul. :angry:

Would you be happy if Bush won it?

Predictable answer - "He didn't deserve it, and he never would have gotten it"

Thanks, no need to post an answer I already know what yours is.

Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

Did he or did he not bomb Pakistan? Did he or did he not attack pirates?

Yes.

Military action doesn't make one a warmonger unless one makes a habit of it. Opening up two major wars makes Bush a warmonger.

Whether Obama will be one remains to be seen.

So its a rule, Obama started 1 war.. Bush started 2 - therefore Bush is the warmonger because he went over the 1 war rule.

I guess Clinton failed that test eh? Since he was involved in more than 1

Where you're going wrong is in the assumption that a bar fight is somehow equivalent to a major war.

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Obama said something to the effect, he doesn't deserve it, but will accept it on behalf of all nations so we cans strive for peace.

Rush's comment was he was awarded it to tell him not to escalate the war in Afghanistan and try to stop it, and don't start a war with Iran. Not appropriate for a Nobel peace winner to have wars. Kind of like, those Nobel guys are telling our president what to do.

Nobody told Bush what to do, except Cheney, he even told Bush when he could go to the restroom.

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Geez! Stop the whining and just be happy that a US president has received some recognition.

I have never seen so much negativity from people ... except from my x-wife ... and what a miserable soul. :angry:

Would you be happy if Bush won it?

Predictable answer - "He didn't deserve it, and he never would have gotten it"

Thanks, no need to post an answer I already know what yours is.

Obama didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

It's not the same, no matter how much you want to relativise them.

If Obama turns Afghanistan into another Vietnam - massive increases of troop numbers, a massive carpet bombing campaign; and a pull out after several more years, 50,000+ US casualties etc - then yes I will agree with you.

As it stands - he hasn't done any of that.

Did he or did he not bomb Pakistan? Did he or did he not attack pirates?

Yes.

Military action doesn't make one a warmonger unless one makes a habit of it. Opening up two major wars makes Bush a warmonger.

Whether Obama will be one remains to be seen.

So its a rule, Obama started 1 war.. Bush started 2 - therefore Bush is the warmonger because he went over the 1 war rule.

I guess Clinton failed that test eh? Since he was involved in more than 1

Where you're going wrong is in the assumption that a bar fight is somehow equivalent to a major war.

People die either way eh? Is it a question of "how many?" Who sets these rules? The libs? <-- I had to throw that in there to tweak you.

Obama said something to the effect, he doesn't deserve it, but will accept it on behalf of all nations so we cans strive for peace.

Rush's comment was he was awarded it to tell him not to escalate the war in Afghanistan and try to stop it, and don't start a war with Iran. Not appropriate for a Nobel peace winner to have wars. Kind of like, those Nobel guys are telling our president what to do.

Nobody told Bush what to do, except Cheney, he even told Bush when he could go to the restroom.

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