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Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Ukraine
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In a nutshell I need someone with some legal knowledge on this issue. We are being required to prove we have even more shots for my wife, in addition to the ones she got in her country in order to complete our AOS. But we, especially me, DO NOT support vaccinating. Not only is it a purely money making venture for the gov it is being proven non-safe and in many studies has been shown to cause the problem it is supposedly there to stop. This is purely my beliefs so no debates please. But seeing as to how these are my beliefs, what ways are there around this part? I know many jobs are attempting mandatory vaccinations and you can obtain a waver, although they usually say there is not one available. Either way, can we go with a religious objection or moral objection of some sort? There must be a way. One of the shots is for chicken pox, honestly. I had it, you probably had it, hell, my wife had it and we all were vaccinated NOT to have it so why now should I be mandated to shoot her up with some unknown chemical to fight a virus that she has already had and naturally dealt with just as we all did, and with a child's immune system to boot?

So, do we have any way out of this? We have already had our appointment and we told him we didn't "know" about this form. So we have until the 18th to send it to them and then we're gold, but we REALLY do not want to HAVE to do this. Please HELP!!!

Thanks with ANY info whatsoever, state laws, immigration exceptions, anything!

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In a nutshell I need someone with some legal knowledge on this issue. We are being required to prove we have even more shots for my wife, in addition to the ones she got in her country in order to complete our AOS. But we, especially me, DO NOT support vaccinating. Not only is it a purely money making venture for the gov it is being proven non-safe and in many studies has been shown to cause the problem it is supposedly there to stop. This is purely my beliefs so no debates please. But seeing as to how these are my beliefs, what ways are there around this part? I know many jobs are attempting mandatory vaccinations and you can obtain a waver, although they usually say there is not one available. Either way, can we go with a religious objection or moral objection of some sort? There must be a way. One of the shots is for chicken pox, honestly. I had it, you probably had it, hell, my wife had it and we all were vaccinated NOT to have it so why now should I be mandated to shoot her up with some unknown chemical to fight a virus that she has already had and naturally dealt with just as we all did, and with a child's immune system to boot?

So, do we have any way out of this? We have already had our appointment and we told him we didn't "know" about this form. So we have until the 18th to send it to them and then we're gold, but we REALLY do not want to HAVE to do this. Please HELP!!!

Thanks with ANY info whatsoever, state laws, immigration exceptions, anything!

Yes you have a way out. Do not get the vaccinations. Your wife's AOS will be denied and you can live in Ukraine.

Your wife, nor you, have any legal right to a visa, adjustment of status, or green card. Such is a privilege extended to her as your wife IF you comply with the procedures and processes the government lays out and you agree to when you apply for the visa and accept the visa.

In a nutshell, you entered into a contract, an agreement. If you didn't read the fine print or about the vaccinationsm it is not the government's problem. If you choose to live in Ukraine you can follow your principals about vaccinations.

I cannot argue the merits of such and that isn't even important. And YES you have a right to marry anyone you want, and YES you have a right to live anywhere you want, but your wife does not have a right to a visa or green card...for that she must follow the rules established.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ukraine
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In a nutshell I need someone with some legal knowledge on this issue. We are being required to prove we have even more shots for my wife, in addition to the ones she got in her country in order to complete our AOS. But we, especially me, DO NOT support vaccinating. Not only is it a purely money making venture for the gov it is being proven non-safe and in many studies has been shown to cause the problem it is supposedly there to stop. This is purely my beliefs so no debates please. But seeing as to how these are my beliefs, what ways are there around this part? I know many jobs are attempting mandatory vaccinations and you can obtain a waver, although they usually say there is not one available. Either way, can we go with a religious objection or moral objection of some sort? There must be a way. One of the shots is for chicken pox, honestly. I had it, you probably had it, hell, my wife had it and we all were vaccinated NOT to have it so why now should I be mandated to shoot her up with some unknown chemical to fight a virus that she has already had and naturally dealt with just as we all did, and with a child's immune system to boot?

So, do we have any way out of this? We have already had our appointment and we told him we didn't "know" about this form. So we have until the 18th to send it to them and then we're gold, but we REALLY do not want to HAVE to do this. Please HELP!!!

Thanks with ANY info whatsoever, state laws, immigration exceptions, anything!

Are you saying your wife has not already these vaccines? Ukraine was pretty good about this. My wife and her two sons all had had the vaccines. The chicken pox vaccine is not required after a certain age.. I forget the age, but it is not age appropriate for adults. Before popping off and wondering if you can charge off attacking the federal government windmill, did you read which vaccines are needed and age appropriate?

Did your wife bring her vaccination records to her medical exam? Were they transcribed FREE onto the DS-2032? Did you send this with your AOS? My wife and TWO K-2 sons have their green cards and never had another vaccination. Never had an I-693 (not needed if you have a recent medical and vaccine records) If you read, study and follow the rules and directions a lot of headache can be avoided. Headache or not, she must provide evidence has had the vaccines, is exempt because of age, or she will not be approved for AOS. If you failed to educate yourself before now and failed to comply with gathering the evidence needed, then YES she has to repeat the vaccines.

Incidentally, NO state laws regulate immigration, such authority is granted to the federal government by the constitution, also available FREE for reading.

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Are you saying your wife has not already these vaccines? Ukraine was pretty good about this. My wife and her two sons all had had the vaccines. The chicken pox vaccine is not required after a certain age.. I forget the age, but it is not age appropriate for adults. Before popping off and wondering if you can charge off attacking the federal government windmill, did you read which vaccines are needed and age appropriate?

Did your wife bring her vaccination records to her medical exam? Were they transcribed FREE onto the DS-2032? Did you send this with your AOS? My wife and TWO K-2 sons have their green cards and never had another vaccination. Never had an I-693 (not needed if you have a recent medical and vaccine records) If you read, study and follow the rules and directions a lot of headache can be avoided. Headache or not, she must provide evidence has had the vaccines, is exempt because of age, or she will not be approved for AOS. If you failed to educate yourself before now and failed to comply with gathering the evidence needed, then YES she has to repeat the vaccines.

Incidentally, NO state laws regulate immigration, such authority is granted to the federal government by the constitution, also available FREE for reading.

For clarification:

It is the DS-3025 not DS-2032

They typically will not repeat vaccines but will perform an antibodies test (titer) to determine what vaccines may not be required.

YMMV

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I believe the Attorney General can grant you a waiver. Contact the Dept of Justice. http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/

Under the new INA §212(a)(1)(A)(ii), aliens who seek admission as an immigrant or who seeks to adjust status to that of permanent resident is excludable and who fail to present documentation of their vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases, including mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the advisory committee for immunization practices. A waiver is available under the new INA §212(g)(2) in the case of an alien:

A. who receives vaccination against the vaccine preventable disease or diseases for which the alien failed to present documentation;

B. for whom a civil surgeon, medical officer or panel physician certifies, according to regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, that such vaccination would not be appropriate; or

C. under such circumstances as the Attorney General provides by regulation, with respect to whom the requirement of such a vaccination would be contrary to the alien's religious beliefs or moral convictions.

Here's another reference to waivers http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligib...364.html#Waiver

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Talk with a Civil Surgeon and you may be surprised what they can do for you. I just took my wife to have her vaccinations done yesterday and the civil surgeon said that if my wife had any visible scars left by the chicken pox that he would waive that vaccination or if she did not have any scars but did have the chicken pox in the past, he could perform an antibody test and if it came back positive he would waive the vaccination.

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Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Ukraine
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Thanks to all. And to the all knowing Gary.....in light of your recently initiating me into the art of "reading" and "research" I am sure many doors are now wide open on my horizon. Anyway, she's had all the needed shots in her country before she was even allowed to come. And just because someone asks a simple question does not mean that they haven't tried to find the answer themselves. Hope your wife enjoys your self righteousness as much as I do.

Thanks to everyone else for sparing this poor illiterate your time :devil:

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Thanks to all. And to the all knowing Gary.....in light of your recently initiating me into the art of "reading" and "research" I am sure many doors are now wide open on my horizon. Anyway, she's had all the needed shots in her country before she was even allowed to come. And just because someone asks a simple question does not mean that they haven't tried to find the answer themselves. Hope your wife enjoys your self righteousness as much as I do.

Thanks to everyone else for sparing this poor illiterate your time :devil:

My pleasure. Reading is fundamental.

I am a bit offended, pardon me, when someone comes to a public forum and asks OTHERS if "they can go with a religious or moral" objection. IF one had a religious or moral objection one wouldn't need to ask ME. Sheeesh. Sounds to me like someone that is looking for an excuse to weasel out of the agreement they made to obtain the visa and AOS...or someone that wasn't paying attention. In either case, my wife would find self inflicted ignorance and/or lack of commitment to what one starts to be far more unappealing than self righteousness. My wife enjoys that she never had to lift a pen except to sign a form or answer a question at any inteview because her husband cared for all that stuff and made sure everything was in order before she got close to anyone. Yes, indeed, she enjoys a husband that can get things done, very much. Seems to be a Ukrainian trait.

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Thanks to all. And to the all knowing Gary.....in light of your recently initiating me into the art of "reading" and "research" I am sure many doors are now wide open on my horizon. Anyway, she's had all the needed shots in her country before she was even allowed to come. And just because someone asks a simple question does not mean that they haven't tried to find the answer themselves. Hope your wife enjoys your self righteousness as much as I do.

Thanks to everyone else for sparing this poor illiterate your time :devil:

That would be true for a K-1, since their is NO vaccination requirement.

FWIW:

The medical center in Kiev will not do any needed AOS vaccinations unless directed by the patient. So any vaccinations that were done were done by the clinic, were done at the request of the patient rather than any requirement to come to this country.

YMMV

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I believe the Attorney General can grant you a waiver. Contact the Dept of Justice. http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/

Under the new INA §212(a)(1)(A)(ii), aliens who seek admission as an immigrant or who seeks to adjust status to that of permanent resident is excludable and who fail to present documentation of their vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases, including mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the advisory committee for immunization practices. A waiver is available under the new INA §212(g)(2) in the case of an alien:

A. who receives vaccination against the vaccine preventable disease or diseases for which the alien failed to present documentation;

B. for whom a civil surgeon, medical officer or panel physician certifies, according to regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, that such vaccination would not be appropriate; or

C. under such circumstances as the Attorney General provides by regulation, with respect to whom the requirement of such a vaccination would be contrary to the alien's religious beliefs or moral convictions.

Here's another reference to waivers http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligib...364.html#Waiver

Good luck to any one in this day and age to successfully voice a moral objection to a health related requirement, and still gain entry. Just saying.

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I suppose to say it would be a trait strictly to Ukrainians would be a bit small minded, eh? I'm sure all ethnicities of women would love to have a man that she knows she controls, errrr, doesn't have to control because he already does that for her. Become president if your so competent bubba! I do have very real objections, not so much religious but moral and only asked on the off chance that someone else had been through this exact situation and could help with advice. You must be one of those, "I don't need the instructions" type guy. Get it done, even it is bassackwards;)) Ok enough gibberish.

To all, and to verify, she did not get shots in her country, only tested for all of the diseases, viruses, etc. This she had to do before she could come. We had to make and appointment at an approved doctor in Ukraine, wait, get tested, results, so on. So I was thinking that since she was "ok'd" that there should be no reason for more now. It's no problem. We'll get it handled with the fury. So, if anyone has advice, much obliged, but any nay saying or debate of who or what, no thanks.

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I suppose to say it would be a trait strictly to Ukrainians would be a bit small minded, eh? I'm sure all ethnicities of women would love to have a man that she knows she controls, errrr, doesn't have to control because he already does that for her. Become president if your so competent bubba! I do have very real objections, not so much religious but moral and only asked on the off chance that someone else had been through this exact situation and could help with advice. You must be one of those, "I don't need the instructions" type guy. Get it done, even it is bassackwards;)) Ok enough gibberish.

Love to respond sir, if I had any idea what you were talking about. Gibberish indeed. All I said was that you won't have much luck on appeal if you state a moral objection to being vaccinated (or re-vaccinated). It seems to me that health issues trump moral ones is all. Your objection, whatever it is, may be legit - but not ground for appeal. Please knock off the strange commentary and weird half insults if that's what they are.

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