Protecting humanity from homosexuality is as important as protecting the rainforest

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

I'm saying that as a Catholic, I will not defend such idiocy. The Church has had a tradition of infallibility of what the Pope says, but I side with some contemporary, and controversial no less, theologians who disagree with that notion.

you're not a catholic if you disagree with the pope.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I thought Jesus is dead?

Are you the Pope?

No, I didn't think so.

No but I did see The Passion and I have it on good authority from Mel Gibson himself that Jesus died.

Mel Gibson isn't the Pope.

I'm saying that as a Catholic, I will not defend such idiocy. The Church has had a tradition of infallibility of what the Pope says, but I side with some contemporary, and controversial no less, theologians who disagree with that notion.

You're siding with the notion that the Pope isn't the Pope. Problem is, the Pope is the Pope.

Mel Gibson might as well be the pope - he certainly has the fanaticism necessary for it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I can't help but think that its a good thing that England went through the Reformation, as it greatly diminished the relevance of the Catholic church to define the public debate on these issues (as it does in this and other countries).

The Catholic Church never shook off it's Roman imperial influence. In light of the church-wide scandal over pedophilia clergy, this is shockingly out of touch with my understanding of morality.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Companion poll, intended to illuminate the issue which seems to be confusing some:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=168564

... this is shockingly out of touch with my understanding of morality.

Let's see. Your understanding of morality vs the Pope's.

You are you.

The Pope is da freakin' Pope!

Easy choice.

[MrsCat 6]

I thought Jesus is dead?

Are you the Pope?

No, I didn't think so.

No but I did see The Passion and I have it on good authority from Mel Gibson himself that Jesus died.

Mel Gibson isn't the Pope.

He made The Passion directly from the word of God himself. That makes him above the Pope.

I cite example, when Jim Caviezel was on the cross and God became angry with his performance and Mel's directing, God struck him with lightning. He chose to let Jim live and try again, but the message was clearly evident. I haven't heard any of the Pope's sermons having the presence of God directly there.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/intervie...Caviezel_2.aspx

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I thought Jesus is dead?

Are you the Pope?

No, I didn't think so.

No but I did see The Passion and I have it on good authority from Mel Gibson himself that Jesus died.

Mel Gibson isn't the Pope.

He made The Passion directly from the word of God himself. That makes him above the Pope.

I cite example, when Jim Caviezel was on the cross and God became angry with his performance and Mel's directing, God struck him with lightning. He chose to let Jim live and try again, but the message was clearly evident. I haven't heard any of the Pope's sermons having the presence of God directly there.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/intervie...Caviezel_2.aspx

Wrong.

There is God and there is da freakin' Pope. Just one Pope. Not a bunch. Not a committee of kumbaya singing wise men. Just one dude. He's the Pope.

[Ban Hammer 14,578]

Companion poll, intended to illuminate the issue which seems to be confusing some:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=168564

... this is shockingly out of touch with my understanding of morality.

Let's see. Your understanding of morality vs the Pope's.

You are you.

The Pope is da freakin' Pope!

Easy choice.

nice poll, aj

[peejay 327]

There are probably hundreds of millions of homosexuals in the world (and growing) considering the world population will be approaching 9 billion just around the corner. Rainforests, on the other hand, are dwindling rapidly and in many cases are endangered. Rainforests are extemely important to the Earth's ecology and to continued life on Earth. What do the 'mos bring to the table?

It is quite obvious which one is the most important.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're siding with the notion that the Pope isn't the Pope. Problem is, the Pope is the Pope.

The Church can have a leader who is fallible. I'll see what I can find regarding what what modern theologians have said. But the idea that Catholic must blindly follow everything the Pope says....forget about it.

[Fandango 1,440]

I think people are just wanting to be outraged instead of understanding the logic behind his statement. Hypothetically, if everyone were to turn gay, there'd be no natural procreation. Yes, it's hyperbole, but I think that's what he was gettin at.

And yes, Jesus died. But He arose 3 days later. Amen!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

There are probably hundreds of millions of homosexuals in the world (and growing) considering the world population will be approaching 9 billion just around the corner. Rainforests, on the other hand, are dwindling rapidly and in many cases are endangered. Rainforests are extemely important to the Earth's ecology and to continued life on Earth. What do the 'mos bring to the table?

It is quite obvious which one is the most important.

So you're a kumbaya singing environazi now?

You're siding with the notion that the Pope isn't the Pope. Problem is, the Pope is the Pope.

The Church can have a leader who is fallible. I'll see what I can find regarding what what modern theologians have said. But the idea that Catholic must blindly follow everything the Pope says....forget about it.

You just wish you were the Pope.

There's only one Pope. Get with the program already.

[MrsCat 6]

I thought Jesus is dead?

Are you the Pope?

No, I didn't think so.

No but I did see The Passion and I have it on good authority from Mel Gibson himself that Jesus died.

Mel Gibson isn't the Pope.

He made The Passion directly from the word of God himself. That makes him above the Pope.

I cite example, when Jim Caviezel was on the cross and God became angry with his performance and Mel's directing, God struck him with lightning. He chose to let Jim live and try again, but the message was clearly evident. I haven't heard any of the Pope's sermons having the presence of God directly there.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/intervie...Caviezel_2.aspx

Wrong.

There is God and there is da freakin' Pope. Just one Pope. Not a bunch. Not a committee of kumbaya singing wise men. Just one dude. He's the Pope.

AJ, I am going to let you in on a secret. Only members of the Secret Order of Mel know but, I'll let you in on it. There is one last rank above the Pope. Its the Super Pope. And the Super Pope is Mel Gibson. Why do you think that Catholic Church allowed The Passion to be made? Because the Super Pope told them that God had spoken to him and wanted a better retelling of Jesus' death.

Rest my case. No appeals allowed.

Edited December 23, 2008 by MrsCat

[HAL 9000 96]

Wow...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

AJ, I am going to let you in on a secret. Only members of the Secret Order of Mel know but, I'll let you in on it. There is one last rank above the Pope. Its the Super Pope. And the Super Pope is Mel Gibson. Why do you think that Catholic Church allowed The Passion to be made? Because the Super Pope told them that God had spoken to him and wanted a better retelling of Jesus' death.

Rest my case. No appeals allowed.

[jundp 191]

While I do not agree with the Pope on this matter, and in fact, I disagree with this particular pope on many matters, what he says is in keeping with the Seven Themes of Catholic Social Teaching. I may not like it, but at least he is not being hypocritical. The very foundation of CST is "the life and dignity of the human person" which is further developed in theme 2 "call to family." Now, again, I don't agree, but what he says is certainly based in these foundations. Of course, the other 5 themes also elaborate and extend to show that as a church Catholics believe in protecting all regardless of sexual orientation, and (again, whether I agree or not) that homosexuality is the sin, the homosexual is not the sinner. It doesn't make sense to many people, especially if you don't believe homosexuality is a choice, but nonetheless, it is there.

There are many facets of the church I disagree with, not the least of which is the scandal involving pedophilia and the re-assignment of those priests without disclosure of their crimes, but there are also many wonderful aspects of the church which are consistently overlooked because of things like this.

There is so much good the Catholic church does worldwide that gets swept under the carpet because it's done by "the evil Catholic church." It's just like the idiots who say "like omg the pope was in Hitler Youth!!!!!111" without the real understanding behind that.

Oh, did I just get on a soapbox