Note: Removing Inactive members from the Org Team

[rebeccajo 14]

Mods probably get abused the most

IMO they get abused because they don't have any real power. Their decisions can be over-ridden by Admin.

And they apparently feel like they have to caucus whenever there's a real uproar. I don't get that bit. If you see a situation just deal with it and don't wait to have a committee meeting over it.

[pushbrk 13,915]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

[rebeccajo 14]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

There are no TOS violations in this thread. Unless you regard the fact that it's not okay for someone to speak frankly about you. Which is odd because you've clearly spoken frankly in this thread about others.

Your problem with the TOS is you don't understand it.

Edited December 21, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Sinergy 3]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

[pushbrk 13,915]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

If attacks on "people" are within the TOS, will the Mods and Admin please clarify. Disagreements on immigration issues can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks.

[rebeccajo 14]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

If attacks on "people" are within the TOS, will the Mods and Admin please clarify. Disagreements on immigration issues can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks.

OMG.

My head is so hurting from all this.......

When you belittle 'people' you are supposedly 'helping', you don't think others have the right to admonish you?

[pushbrk 13,915]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

If attacks on "people" are within the TOS, will the Mods and Admin please clarify. Disagreements on immigration issues can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks.

OMG.

My head is so hurting from all this.......

When you belittle 'people' you are supposedly 'helping', you don't think others have the right to admonish you?

Whether somebody is being "bilittled" is a matter of opinion and if the admonishment amounts to a violation of TOS, then the TOS need to be enforced. This is the particular section to which I refer. Would the admin care to render an authoritative opinion on its meaning wrt. the subject at hand? Please include your opinion on which members are responsible for "admonishing" other members.

Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

If attacks on "people" are within the TOS, will the Mods and Admin please clarify. Disagreements on immigration issues can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks.

OMG.

My head is so hurting from all this.......

When you belittle 'people' you are supposedly 'helping', you don't think others have the right to admonish you?

Whether somebody is being "bilittled" is a matter of opinion and if the admonishment amounts to a violation of TOS, then the TOS need to be enforced. This is the particular section to which I refer. Would the admin care to render an authoritative opinion on its meaning wrt. the subject at hand? Please include your opinion on which members are responsible for "admonishing" other members.

Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users.

Publicly? Wouldn't that, in itself, serve to further "belittle" the individuals involved? Why do you need the Admin to do that? To make a point? And to what end?

Frankly, I have long ago determined that the TOS doesn't work without a moderator online and in each forum all the time. There is an ability on here to take one's "######" from one thread to another without anyone other than those active on each thread involved to know what is really being said. And furthermore, if someone does violate the part of the TOS to which you refer, it's near impossible to draw that individual's attention to that fact without being cited for violation oneself. My thoughts in this regard are that while it is impossible to have "real time" moderation without compensation for hours and hours of work invested, the individual in a particular exchange that should receive admonishment or penalty, should really be the one who first cast the stone. Thereafter, it's merely self-defense.

Edited December 21, 2008 by diadromous mermaid

[Marilyn. 340]

I don't get all the fuss about the organizers.. all we can do is move threads... lol.. we can't lock threads or anything else...

[LaL 418]

OK to remove me from Organizer status. I post rarely, and won't go out of my way to post that I moved something to the correct forum.

ETA: i do think posting such can interrupt the flow of the conversation.

Edited December 21, 2008 by LaL

[Marilyn. 340]

I don't get all the fuss about the organizers.. all we can do is move threads... lol.. we can't lock threads or anything else...

Then you have a lot of reading to catch up on.

I have read this whole thread... I still don't get what the fuss is about....

[Sinergy 3]

the fuss is about how ppl HAVE to complain about EVERYTHING that doesnt suit THEM...so they get upset, and take it to the mods or CAPT...as if they dont have enough to do already.

[rebeccajo 14]

I don't get all the fuss about the organizers.. all we can do is move threads... lol.. we can't lock threads or anything else...

Then you have a lot of reading to catch up on.

I have read this whole thread... I still don't get what the fuss is about....

Yeah that big-thread moving capability means we are supposed to be superior in our conduct.

If that didn't involve lying down and being a doormat, I'd have no problem with it.

[Sinergy 3]

I don't get all the fuss about the organizers.. all we can do is move threads... lol.. we can't lock threads or anything else...

Then you have a lot of reading to catch up on.

I have read this whole thread... I still don't get what the fuss is about....

Yeah that big-thread moving capability means we are supposed to be superior in our conduct.

If that didn't involve lying down and being a doormat, I'd have no problem with it.

EXACTLY!!!!!

[rebeccajo 14]

Mods probably get abused the most

that doesnt exclude that orgs get abused ALOT...thats my point

I'm asking that the mods and admin enforce the TOS. One can defend themselves from abuse WITHIN the terms of service. The TOS violations in this thread are not in response to any abuse of organizers unless you consider the request to enforce TOS an abuse.

You yourself have abused the TOS many times...so i dont know why you are yelling wolf

If attacks on "people" are within the TOS, will the Mods and Admin please clarify. Disagreements on immigration issues can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks.

OMG.

My head is so hurting from all this.......

When you belittle 'people' you are supposedly 'helping', you don't think others have the right to admonish you?

Whether somebody is being "bilittled" is a matter of opinion and if the admonishment amounts to a violation of TOS, then the TOS need to be enforced. This is the particular section to which I refer. Would the admin care to render an authoritative opinion on its meaning wrt. the subject at hand? Please include your opinion on which members are responsible for "admonishing" other members.

Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users.

Publicly? Wouldn't that, in itself, serve to further "belittle" the individuals involved? Why do you need the Admin to do that? To make a point? And to what end?

Frankly, I have long ago determined that the TOS doesn't work without a moderator online and in each forum all the time. There is an ability on here to take one's "######" from one thread to another without anyone other than those active on each thread involved to know what is really being said. And furthermore, if someone does violate the part of the TOS to which you refer, it's near impossible to draw that individual's attention to that fact without being cited for violation oneself. My thoughts in this regard are that while it is impossible to have "real time" moderation without compensation for hours and hours of work invested, the individual in a particular exchange that should receive admonishment or penalty, should really be the one who first cast the stone. Thereafter, it's merely self-defense.

I think it's not enough for some that certain organizers have been removed. They want some that remain drawn and quartered.