Finally! These two loud mouth lefties masquerading as objective Journalist are silenced

[Ban Hammer 14,148]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

[Heracles 417]

Yes that's right.

2008 - 2005 = 3.

3 is more than 2.

And Lincoln was a Republican... and Old-Style Republican, that is. And no... that beer tastes nasty!

And how much of that time has he actually spent being a senator compared to campaigning for his presidential nomination.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Dan J 277]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

Yes that's right.

2008 - 2005 = 3.

3 is more than 2.

And Lincoln was a Republican... and Old-Style Republican, that is. And no... that beer tastes nasty!

And how much of that time has he actually spent being a senator compared to campaigning for his presidential nomination.

Obama has actually voted in a majority of the senate votes while campaigning for president. More than can be said of McCain who has missed most of the votes while campaigning.

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What about Lincoln? He only had two years in congress before being elected president.

somebody throw Dan a life preserver...he's desperate & sinking fast...kinda like obama's campaign.

Gary? In your account?

no its me...but using a president from 1861-1865 as an example for a qualifications of a president in 2008 is...

[Heracles 417]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

He also did not want to punish the south after the war ended but rather wanted to integrate them back into America. Whereas Andrew Johnson was keen on punishing the south.

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

Criticism = hate. You must be proud.

[HAL 9000 96]

obama's pic belongs in the inexperience block, not palin's.

What about Lincoln? He only had two years in congress before being elected president.

more than obama isn't it?

more?

2008-2004 = ?

2004?

Obama began his US Senate run in 2004.

running does not equate to holding office. he was sworn in in early 2005.

He would be sworn in as President in 2009, still 4 years as a sitting Senator.

That means 4 > 2.

I suppose that means, according to the whole 'experience' BS we keep hearing about- that he'll have 4 years of Washington experience to know how to juggle the entire US Government without any help, assistance, etc. Since we all know that Obama would have to do so all on his own without anyone there.

[Ban Hammer 14,148]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

no, he was not. it did come apart.

[HAL 9000 96]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

He also did not want to punish the south after the war ended but rather wanted to integrate them back into America. Whereas Andrew Johnson was keen on punishing the south.

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

That is because slavery was only an ancillary, yet important, reason, for the Civil War. Reunification of a divided nation was the primary cause. Punishing the South would be like wanting to sow future conflict.

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

no, he was not. it did come apart.

Yet by his death the country wasn't split in two.

[GaryC 7]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

He also did not want to punish the south after the war ended but rather wanted to integrate them back into America. Whereas Andrew Johnson was keen on punishing the south.

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

That is because slavery was only an ancillary, yet important, reason, for the Civil War. Reunification of a divided nation was the primary cause. Punishing the South would be like wanting to sow future conflict.

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

no, he was not. it did come apart.

Yet by his death the country wasn't split in two.

We got to remember that by our constitution the states have a right to leave the union. What Lincoln did was very much contrary to the constitution.

[kaydee457 13]

I see some in this thread have difficulty delineating talk show hosts/commentators such as Sean Hannity (conservative) from talk show hosts/commentatators such as Obermann and Matthews that pretend to be objective journalists......

Sean Hannity is not a jpurnalist and doesn't pretend to be so. He's a conservative commentator.

Chris Matthews on the other hand brings his bias to such venues as presedential debates!

Imagine the outcry if Sean Hannity were to be chosen to moderate a debate under the guise of being "nuetral" and objective.....the liberals would be sqeeling like the, er, well............

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How do they pretend to be objective journalists?

BTW - let's drop the "some" for a change and just come out and say who you're talking about

Edited September 8, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[Ban Hammer 14,148]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

He also did not want to punish the south after the war ended but rather wanted to integrate them back into America. Whereas Andrew Johnson was keen on punishing the south.

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

That is because slavery was only an ancillary, yet important, reason, for the Civil War. Reunification of a divided nation was the primary cause. Punishing the South would be like wanting to sow future conflict.

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

no, he was not. it did come apart.

Yet by his death the country wasn't split in two.

i'm not real sure what history book you're reading, but wiki shows it was........

Seven Deep South cotton states seceded by February 1861, starting with South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. These seven states formed the Confederate States of America (February 4, 1861), with Jefferson Davis as president, and a governmental structure closely modeled on the U.S. Constitution. Following the attack on Fort Sumter, President Lincoln called for a volunteer army from each state. Within two months, four more Southern slave states declared their secession and joined the Confederacy: Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina and Tennessee. The northwestern portion of Virginia subsequently seceded from Virginia, joining the Union as the new state of West Virginia on June 20, 1863. By the end of 1861, Missouri and Kentucky were divided -- each of them having a pro-Southern and pro-Northern government.

lincoln assassinated April 14, 1865.

us civil war

lincoln assassination

[HAL 9000 96]

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

He also did not want to punish the south after the war ended but rather wanted to integrate them back into America. Whereas Andrew Johnson was keen on punishing the south.

SVRT must be proud. White on white hate..

That is because slavery was only an ancillary, yet important, reason, for the Civil War. Reunification of a divided nation was the primary cause. Punishing the South would be like wanting to sow future conflict.

Experience is not good indicator of success. Lets look at two presidents, both Republicans.

Bush served served about 5 years as the Governor of Texas, but has had the lowest approval ratings of any president ever.

Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives and held no other elected office before being elected president, but yet has been regarded as one of the country's best presidents.

that also depends on how one defines being a good president, does it not? one could say the usa came apart during his presidency.

lincoln does not rank in the top 5 for me.

Movement towards the civil war was well underway before he became president. However, he was successful in keeping the country together.

no, he was not. it did come apart.

Yet by his death the country wasn't split in two.

We got to remember that by our constitution the states have a right to leave the union. What Lincoln did was very much contrary to the constitution.

Yeah I heard that. And into that we can also assess the validity of secession based on a drive to 'not stick with national laws.' Which is why the country went to arms over the separation.

[rclouse 0]

We got to remember that by our constitution the states have a right to leave the union. What Lincoln did was very much contrary to the constitution.

Wow, Gary is arguing that the Civil War should not have been fought and the CSA should exist today. So if you follow the slippery slope, Negroes should still be enslaved.

Niiiice.