Catholics complain to feds about immigration raids

[peejay 327]

Their greed didn't ruin our humane society. They didn't do anything that separate your family away. Did they?

I hope that you can actually tell the difference between enforcing the law not enforcing brutality.

When you knowingly lie, cheat, and break the law the chickens eventually come to roost. It's time to go back home. Nothing brutal about that.

In that case, we're the same as the perpetrator, but, instead the law favors us instead of them.

Most people don't see it that way.

You break into an apartment, paint the walls, put in new carpet, make the place real comfy, etc. and years later eventually someone finds out you don't belong there. They kick your azz out. So what if you feathered your nest real nice in a place you are not entitled to be in.

Instead of blaming the owner of the apartment for being brutal...you need to blame the moron for taking liberties they aren't entitled to. That is the way it is done all over the world and the USA is no exception. You sow what you reap.

[HAL 9000 96]

And treating symptoms hardly is a cure for the disease being b!tched over.

[Ban Hammer 14,290]

shoot... I was just about to put in an order for a 6 inch tuna on whole wheat... mmmm, sammich

maybe i can help you out there.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Their greed didn't ruin our humane society. They didn't do anything that separate your family away. Did they?

I hope that you can actually tell the difference between enforcing the law not enforcing brutality.

When you knowingly lie, cheat, and break the law the chickens eventually come to roost. It's time to go back home. Nothing brutal about that.

In that case, we're the same as the perpetrator, but, instead the law favors us instead of them.

Most people don't see it that way.

You break into an apartment, paint the walls, put in new carpet, make the place real comfy, etc. and years later eventually someone finds out you don't belong there. They kick your azz out. So what if you feathered your nest real nice in a place you are not entitled to be in.

Instead of blaming the owner of the apartment for being brutal...you need to blame the moron for taking liberties they aren't entitled to. That is the way it is done all over the world and the USA is no exception. You sow what you reap.

Hmmm....Good questions. Although, most people are average mobs with some misconceptions.

I wonder how the Indian feels provided that they are technically the original people of the land.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Niels Bohr

[NickD 203]

The Catholic Church I knew taught to obey the laws of the state, with the exception that they were immoral. Is it immoral to deport people that came here illegally? But the very act of deportation is messy, families are broken up, departed from friends, and in many cases, the children of that marriage are born here and considered US citizens, so they will leave the illegally entered wife alone to take care of them while just deporting the husband that is the bread winner of the home. Sounds sad, but they are here illegally. And a bit confused why their children from both illegal parents are considered legal depending on how the judges interpret the constitution.

So what is the state suppose to do, give each family a million bucks in the act of deporting. That certainly would be motivation for many more to come here legally. Sure made a mess out of our state when they were paying women to have babies back in the early 70's. Came here by the hundreds of thousands being a huge burden on the tax payers here.

Where the mess really started is by congress passing laws about immigration without the funds to enforce them, then trying to enforce them years later after it became a major problem for this country. Too busy trying to get reelected.

[Niels Bohr 72]

I want to press on the urging issues of using brute force or rather violence in the raids. And, at the holding facility where they're treated like POW. Teasing workers with $1 to clean the cell, or condemning their voice from reaching for someone to look after their kids.

I don't want the illegals to be here as anymore than alot of people. It's like treating these people as things that don't exist. Whether Congress declares amnesty for them, or not, the enforcement has to eliminate the practice of using brutal force at the holding facilities and using racism, prejudice when treating them. It's analogous to having the community looking down at rapist. Rapist, sex offenders, etc. gets the club by the community but they're treated better.

[peejay 327]

I want to press on the urging issues of using brute force or rather violence in the raids. And, at the holding facility where they're treated like POW. Teasing workers with $1 to clean the cell, or condemning their voice from reaching for someone to look after their kids.

I don't want the illegals to be here as anymore than alot of people. It's like treating these people as things that don't exist. Whether Congress declares amnesty for them, or not, the enforcement has to eliminate the practice of using brutal force at the holding facilities and using racism, prejudice when treating them. It's analogous to having the community looking down at rapist. Rapist, sex offenders, etc. gets the club by the community but they're treated better.

You are making broad accusations, but offering absolutely no proof that this is official policy of the government. Also, these statements are your interpretation of law enforcement techniques. While you may consider arresting, detaining, and deporting someone to be brutal, it is for the most part done as humanely as is possible under the circumstance.

When criminals are arrested there is some measure of force that must be exercised. Especially when these individuals refuse to cooperate or have a record of evading the law. The brutality of it is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sure there are some in law enforcement that abuse their power, but I don't believe it is as widespread and systemic as you say it is. The fact that most of the people arrested are not white is not racism. It reflects that 95+% of illegal aliens are not white. So what! That doesn't give these people a free pass to break our laws.

[Niels Bohr 72]

I want to press on the urging issues of using brute force or rather violence in the raids. And, at the holding facility where they're treated like POW. Teasing workers with $1 to clean the cell, or condemning their voice from reaching for someone to look after their kids.

I don't want the illegals to be here as anymore than alot of people. It's like treating these people as things that don't exist. Whether Congress declares amnesty for them, or not, the enforcement has to eliminate the practice of using brutal force at the holding facilities and using racism, prejudice when treating them. It's analogous to having the community looking down at rapist. Rapist, sex offenders, etc. gets the club by the community but they're treated better.

You are making broad accusations, but offering absolutely no proof that this is official policy of the government. Also, these statements are your interpretation of law enforcement techniques. While you may consider arresting, detaining, and deporting someone to be brutal, it is for the most part done as humanely as is possible under the circumstance.

When criminals are arrested there is some measure of force that must be exercised. Especially when these individuals refuse to cooperate or have a record of evading the law. The brutality of it is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sure there are some in law enforcement that abuse their power, but I don't believe it is as widespread and systemic as you say it is. The fact that most of the people arrested are not white is not racism. It reflects that 95+% of illegal aliens are not white. So what! That doesn't give these people a free pass to break our laws.

I'm not making broad accusations. I was in New Bedford, Ma during the Michael Bianco factory raids. I saw they women getting nose bleeds. I've seen them raid from the across the street. It was big time then. Heck, the women didn't even resist and they get abused. And, the interviews conducted in a documentary at the holding facility in texas gives a glimpse of the horrors there.

I'm going to search for the video online, and post it for you to see. Heck, they even went to most NE universities and colleges to show the documentary.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Niels Bohr

[NickD 203]

Always extremes, what about the thousands of cases where a judge orders illegals to leave on their own free will, but stay anyway? Probably just the opposite of what you are saying Niels.

Cases I have heard about, the person is apprehended, detained in our county jail until DHS agents show up, escort that person across the border and drop them off with only the shirt on their backs, penniless. In some cases where children are not involved, will confiscate that persons property, auction it off to help offset the cost.

[almaty 19]

watch out ..or the catholic church will..

Edited December 9, 2008 by almaty

[Niels Bohr 72]

What I wanted to express is the amount of brutality that is towards these people during enforcements. They can be kicked out of the US for all I care, but, nobody sees the situation behind the scenes.

I still hold my views that enforcement needs to take a step away from brutality.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Here's the documentary done by Jenny Alexander, DETAINED: THE NEW BEDFORD IMMIGRATION RAID

[HAL 9000 96]

The Catholic Church I knew taught to obey the laws of the state, with the exception that they were immoral. Is it immoral to deport people that came here illegally? But the very act of deportation is messy, families are broken up, departed from friends, and in many cases, the children of that marriage are born here and considered US citizens, so they will leave the illegally entered wife alone to take care of them while just deporting the husband that is the bread winner of the home. Sounds sad, but they are here illegally. And a bit confused why their children from both illegal parents are considered legal depending on how the judges interpret the constitution.

So what is the state suppose to do, give each family a million bucks in the act of deporting. That certainly would be motivation for many more to come here legally. Sure made a mess out of our state when they were paying women to have babies back in the early 70's. Came here by the hundreds of thousands being a huge burden on the tax payers here.

Where the mess really started is by congress passing laws about immigration without the funds to enforce them, then trying to enforce them years later after it became a major problem for this country. Too busy trying to get reelected.

I think the seasoning in the debate is over dirty, SS-style raids per se, not in pushing or comings of immigration law- although it isn't a secret that many Catholics tend to look more at the humanitarian side of things more than the symptomatic effects of laws and economical structures that cause deportations and illegal immigration, respectively.

[HAL 9000 96]

I want to press on the urging issues of using brute force or rather violence in the raids. And, at the holding facility where they're treated like POW. Teasing workers with $1 to clean the cell, or condemning their voice from reaching for someone to look after their kids.

I don't want the illegals to be here as anymore than alot of people. It's like treating these people as things that don't exist. Whether Congress declares amnesty for them, or not, the enforcement has to eliminate the practice of using brutal force at the holding facilities and using racism, prejudice when treating them. It's analogous to having the community looking down at rapist. Rapist, sex offenders, etc. gets the club by the community but they're treated better.

You are making broad accusations, but offering absolutely no proof that this is official policy of the government. Also, these statements are your interpretation of law enforcement techniques. While you may consider arresting, detaining, and deporting someone to be brutal, it is for the most part done as humanely as is possible under the circumstance.

When criminals are arrested there is some measure of force that must be exercised. Especially when these individuals refuse to cooperate or have a record of evading the law. The brutality of it is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm sure there are some in law enforcement that abuse their power, but I don't believe it is as widespread and systemic as you say it is. The fact that most of the people arrested are not white is not racism. It reflects that 95+% of illegal aliens are not white. So what! That doesn't give these people a free pass to break our laws.

I'm not making broad accusations. I was in New Bedford, Ma during the Michael Bianco factory raids. I saw they women getting nose bleeds. I've seen them raid from the across the street. It was big time then. Heck, the women didn't even resist and they get abused. And, the interviews conducted in a documentary at the holding facility in texas gives a glimpse of the horrors there.

I'm going to search for the video online, and post it for you to see. Heck, they even went to most NE universities and colleges to show the documentary.

Two uncles whom work at different parts of the immigration system, whom have been involved in several job descriptions throughout the years from Border Patrol on through INS and then to USCIS can confirm that it is not a systemic prevalence of abuse but the abuse does exist and more prevalent than mere statistical irrelevance. Perhaps it may have to do with some enforcers being as crazy and insensitive as certain posters here appear to try to be, that human rights tend to take a back seat when these idiots get into positions of enforcement.

[HAL 9000 96]

Once again, its not an issue of encouraging illegal immigration or breaking immigration law- its the usual case of stupidity versus actually doing something to prevent the problem in the first place. HAL 9000 wonders why being proactive for a change is so difficult to fathom for some individuals.