The New Case Against Immigration: Both Legal & Illegal

[Peikko 1,575]

Which isn't very 'grown up' PJ, whatever way you slice it. We live in a world that has 'shrunk' for want of a better word and to isolate oneself into one country and say 'nah, nah, Our country is brilliant and only for us' is really 6th grade stuff.

Yes, I don't think it's possible to categorize the ability to assimilate on the basis of education reached. We have educated people who assimilate well and non educated who don't assimilate one bit and every possible combination in between.

And again, to assume that just because someone comes from a 'third world' nation their education is restricted to a global 6th grade is simply ridiculous.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

“patriotic assimilation” — the growth of a deep emotional attachment to America — is less likely to occur among educated immigrants

I'm not sure why this is or should expected from immigrants - I can't even say I had that attachment to my home country, let alone this one. Sure there are things about the UK that I miss, but subscribing to some rose-tinted view that "love" of a country is required simply to live there seems a bit silly.

[peejay 327]

“patriotic assimilation” — the growth of a deep emotional attachment to America — is less likely to occur among educated immigrants

I'm not sure why this is or should expected from immigrants - I can't even say I had that attachment to my home country, let alone this one. Sure there are things about the UK that I miss, but subscribing to some rose-tinted view that "love" of a country is required simply to live there seems a bit silly.

Where does the article say it is a requirement? It is merely an observation.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

“patriotic assimilation” — the growth of a deep emotional attachment to America — is less likely to occur among educated immigrants

I'm not sure why this is or should expected from immigrants - I can't even say I had that attachment to my home country, let alone this one. Sure there are things about the UK that I miss, but subscribing to some rose-tinted view that "love" of a country is required simply to live there seems a bit silly.

Where does the article say it is a requirement? It is merely an observation.

From what I've read from postings on this topic it would seem that the "observation" is actually an expectation for a lot of people.

[peejay 327]

Which isn't very 'grown up' PJ, whatever way you slice it. We live in a world that has 'shrunk' for want of a better word and to isolate oneself into one country and say 'nah, nah, Our country is brilliant and only for us' is really 6th grade stuff.

Yes, I don't think it's possible to categorize the ability to assimilate on the basis of education reached. We have educated people who assimilate well and non educated who don't assimilate one bit and every possible combination in between.

And again, to assume that just because someone comes from a 'third world' nation their education is restricted to a global 6th grade is simply ridiculous.

I think you miss the whole point of the article.

My advice...don't buy the book.

[Peikko 1,575]

I wasn't planning to. I will read different points of view if they are well thought out, but if this is an example of this man's critical reasoning, then no, I don't think I will waste my time reading the whole thing. However, I am sure you will enjoy having your ego massaged and your outrage pandered to so for you definitely a good read. Enjoy.

[natty bumppo 297]

I wasn't planning to. I will read different points of view if they are well thought out, but if this is an example of this man's critical reasoning, then no, I don't think I will waste my time reading the whole thing. However, I am sure you will enjoy having your ego massaged and your outrage pandered to so for you definitely a good read. Enjoy.

you must be one of the misfits ....

[ready4ONE 5,400]

He is not talking against just illegal immigration, he is talking against all immigration. I hear from my wife constantly about some of the wonderful things she misses from the Philippines, and also the things she sees here which are different and she likes better. I would not want to ever take away her identity, or wash away where she came from. The decision down the road to have her become a citizen will be a practical one, but it won't wipe out her past or her identity.

Sounds to me like this guy has a deep fear of any 'other' type of person, defined solely by being from another country. Dumb! Americans define themselves as individuals and with the obvious exception of Native American's, are all either from another country or descendants of persons from other countries, removed by at most a matter of quantifiable generations.

Every historical wave of immigrants has spelled destruction of the American way of life in the eyes of persons who think like this author. Yet somehow we survive.

[peejay 327]

He is not talking against just illegal immigration, he is talking against all immigration. I hear from my wife constantly about some of the wonderful things she misses from the Philippines, and also the things she sees here which are different and she likes better. I would not want to ever take away her identity, or wash away where she came from. The decision down the road to have her become a citizen will be a practical one, but it won't wipe out her past or her identity.

Sounds to me like this guy has a deep fear of any 'other' type of person, defined solely by being from another country. Dumb! Americans define themselves as individuals and with the obvious exception of Native American's, are all either from another country or descendants of persons from other countries, removed by at most a matter of quantifiable generations.

Every historical wave of immigrants has spelled destruction of the American way of life in the eyes of persons who think like this author. Yet somehow we survive.

Yeah, I'm married to a foreigner. My mom's parents were foreigners. The American people need to take a realistic look at immigration past and present instead of outdated romantic notions and tired cliches. This ain't your grandpa's immigration and this ain't your grandpa's America anymore. That America disappeared with the buffalo and the teepee.

[DairyFarmer 1]

Everybody has their own level of hypocriscy - Carmelle Shenton

-m

[peejay 327]

Everybody has their own level of hypocriscy - Carmelle Shenton

-m

And...there are those in this world that just don't get it.

There is a huge difference between marrying someone and bringing them to their home country and having open borders where anyone and everyone in unlimited numbers are allowed into a modern 21st century welfare state.

There is also a time and a place for everything. What worked in the 19th century isn't necessarily appropriate or prudent in the 21st century.

But...then again...some people just don't get it. Some people never will...until it's too late.

[Peikko 1,575]

I do get what you are saying, I just think what your saying is xenaphobia hidden under the gloss of 'America is mature' and 'the poor rest of the world are '19th century and can't hope to survive in our world so let's just close America's doors and forget about what goes on elsewhere, we have to look after ourselves first after all'

The mentality is that of the 'last life boat' We can't let anyone else into the boat for fear it might capsize and drown us as well. The world hasn't quite reached the sinking ship stage yet, there is still time to work out global solutions where everyone would get something but no one would get everything. However, the xenaphobes are really working and trying to close these paths down so that the end up has to be warfare to sort out who gets to eat and who gets to starve to death.

[Ggreen 12]

Cute photo, but ####### does it have to do with the price of eggs in Pookipsie? Or any discussion petaining to US immigration policy in the 21st Century?

I replied to zqt3344 not to your post!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Everybody has their own level of hypocriscy - Carmelle Shenton

-m

And...there are those in this world that just don't get it.

There is a huge difference between marrying someone and bringing them to their home country and having open borders where anyone and everyone in unlimited numbers are allowed into a modern 21st century welfare state.

There is also a time and a place for everything. What worked in the 19th century isn't necessarily appropriate or prudent in the 21st century.

But...then again...some people just don't get it. Some people never will...until it's too late.

I'm scared...

[peejay 327]

I do get what you are saying, I just think what your saying is xenaphobia hidden under the gloss of 'America is mature' and 'the poor rest of the world are '19th century and can't hope to survive in our world so let's just close America's doors and forget about what goes on elsewhere, we have to look after ourselves first after all'

The mentality is that of the 'last life boat' We can't let anyone else into the boat for fear it might capsize and drown us as well. The world hasn't quite reached the sinking ship stage yet, there is still time to work out global solutions where everyone would get something but no one would get everything. However, the xenaphobes are really working and trying to close these paths down so that the end up has to be warfare to sort out who gets to eat and who gets to starve to death.

Just curious...has anyone ever told you that you have a vivid imagination?