Fake documents for illegal aliens swamp Houston

[GabiandVi 34]

As for the quote from the Statue, it implies, fairly explicitely, legal immigration. Unfortunately, the US has no room for the tired, the poor, and the hungry these days because there are no jobs for them. I wonder why.

Awww man the party is over . Damn it.

Ok *puts his serious mask on*

Tell me where in that quote your are mentioning, it says: GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR etc etc but first you should be a legal resident of the US. The current immigration policy is broken, that's why people are climbing the fences because they are hungry ok? Mexico and other countries are to blame on that matter I know. The main issue here is that according to you, there are no more jobs right? well, if people are coming, if people are staying, I really do not think is because they are living off welfare right? besides what kind of living can welfare give you? It's naive to say that there are no more jobs available, call the farmers and ask them if they need help, heck you can go ahead and apply for those jobs. I'm pretty sure they will not turn you down, they will be hiring legal workers! Can you wonder why people don't want to work in those kinds of jobs? Bottom line, because they SUCK

Who said anything about requiring someone to be a legal resident before immigration? What do you mean? That doesn't make sense. The Statue stands in the same harbor as Ellis Island where all those who saw it upon immigrating were legally processed and either accepted or rejected. The poet wrote it with legal immigration in mind and the poem refers to raising the lamp to the golden door. That door is the door to America, or the process of immigration.

I never said I wanted the jobs. I would like them to be available to the poor and hungry around the world. I actually know a lot of people who would want those jobs, and apparently, a lot of illegals want them as well. Don't you think there are poor and hungry around the world who would like them as well? But perhaps they don't have the option of jumping fences or perhaps they aren't wealthy or connected enough to qualify for a student visa or some other sort of visa which they can overstay.

Are you saying that illegals don't want the jobs? Then what is your point?

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

Are you saying that illegals don't want the jobs? Then what is your point?

Yes, exactly that's my point undocumented immigrants don't want that kind of jobs now...let Mr. Sandman bring me a dream.

Edited May 6, 2008 by GueraYTavo

[HAL 9000 96]

So would America accept microchipping all non citizens? And then all criminals? And then required for citizens to receive a passport?

Now there is an interesting idea... implantable (and removable) microchips on convicts and parolees...

Legal immigrants IMO should not be handled as potential criminals... nor should citizens be subject to it.

legal immigrants can become illegal, why not chip them too?

The idea would be punitive. Doing so would presume guilt and would go against our presumptive system of innocence until legally proven guilty. Even illegals are guaranteed due process for criminal offenses.

Dude weren't we an island already?? Man I gotta check my maps!

Hey man gotta travel more you know. Travel overseas, like to Canada or something...

(I'm not sure but I think I'm quoting B.Spears)

Sounds like it. Um, but you know, we got to support foreign trade with like Hawaii and stuff.

Illegals are not given due process for immigration violations.

Implanting a microchip is not punitive, we are all force into vaccinations so why not a chip implanted just to enter the US regardless of the reason? If your time is up an alarm goes off and they send someone to pick you up. Does the fear of being found only scare someone who is criminal? If a law abiding person doesn't do anything wrong why would they care if the government could track their location?

It does depend on your interpretation of forcing I suppose.

There is a due process, I know since I have family members involved in said process on the USCIS side.

While "mandatory" for some things, vaccinations are not required in absolute. So should involuntary identification implants, which in an honest and logical argument is comparing apples to vaccination's oranges, not be required.

What you are silently advocating is yet another intrusion that will not stand a day's argument of legal passage for implementation among the innocent. Like I said, if its used as a crime-fighting tool among those already legally proven to be criminals, so be it. Otherwise you need to rewrite the US Constitution's Preamble to allow for continued vigilance of every American ala Orwell.

It is simply unrealistic, independent of value assessments of guilt among the citizenship.

[HAL 9000 96]

me too! coming out of the shadows isn't easy and is always encouraged!

I was never hiding in the shadows, I've always been proud of my wetback roots. I yelled and screamed "give me a green card or give me death!" so all of a sudden the USCIS gave me a pink card, can you believe that #######? Pink?!

Then I thought "shoot, I might as well become one of yous" so I gots me a US citizenship. Then when I petitioned my husband, 'cause you know, he married me for the pink card since love is so overrated, I told the US government "I'm bringing my husband and he's not going through Mexico because that damn desert is too freaking hot and he's not used to eating spicy food with mariachi bands". And what do you know, the CO just approved us in no time. Snaaaaap!

Gotta love the good ol' US of A! (as the song "Proud To Be an American" is being played in the background) B)

Diana

See, I told you I was proud of you.

[HAL 9000 96]

Implanting a microchip is not punitive, we are all force into vaccinations so why not a chip implanted just to enter the US regardless of the reason? If your time is up an alarm goes off and they send someone to pick you up. Does the fear of being found only scare someone who is criminal? If a law abiding person doesn't do anything wrong why would they care if the government could track their location?

Implanting microchips and vaccinations are too completely different things. Why would anyone want the government to be able to track their location any minute of the day, even if they are law-abiding? Any kind of tracking device should be left to the discretion of parents in regards to being able to track their underage children IMO.

So its ok for parents to do it and track thier children?

Yes, under 18. There are certain privileges parents should be allowed to do with their kids within the scope fo the law (note I did not say microchip, but there are tracking devices in cars for instance). If there was an emergency, it would be nice to know where my kids are if cell phone was not accessible.

That is simple logic as a parent. Chip or no chip, whatever it is can come off at 18. One thing is for minors to be under good tutelage and watchful parenting and the other is to confuse that same treatment for a nation's citizens whom are the base of the government. It is the US government that needs to be mindful of its citizens' watchful gaze, not the other way around.

[GabiandVi 34]

Are you saying that illegals don't want the jobs? Then what is your point?

Yes, exactly that's my point undocumented immigrants don't want that kind of jobs now...let Mr. Sandman bring me a dream.

Your sarcasm overwhelms me. I was a little confused by your statement that "no one wants those jobs because they suck" or something like that. Meanwhile, as I said before, I know a lot of poor, tired, and hungry people from poor countries who would love the chance to work those jobs in the US.

Now, do you honestly think that if there were no illegals to fill the jobs that illegals currently fill that they would remain unfilled? I, for one, believe that the jobs they do are essential. I don't think the country could survive without people doing those jobs that SUCK. One of the things that would have happened if there were no illegals to fill the jobs illegally and work for illegally low wages (i.e. be exploited) is that the US would have eased immigration requirements to accept more unskilled laborers. We would have had to in order to survive. But I take it from your statements that you think it is better to have illegals fill those jobs.

[natty bumppo 297]

We need better roads in NW Houston ....

Take the illegals ... slice them thin ... and make the roads smooth ... at this point they're actually helping the economy ....

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

We need better roads in NW Houston ....

Take the illegals ... slice them thin ... and make the roads smooth ... at this point they're actually helping the economy ....

[peejay 327]

We need better roads in NW Houston ....

Take the illegals ... slice them thin ... and make the roads smooth ... at this point they're actually helping the economy ....

They already line the roads in NW Houston. Both sides. Have you ever been to Carverdale in NW Houston? The stretch of Gessner between Clay Road and Hempstead Road? Definitely Mojadoville. There were always 50+ illegal aliens out there daily openly selling illegal black market labor when I used to pass through there.

Not to mention the dozens of illegal aliens congregating on West Belfort between Beltway 8 & Southwest Freeway. Ditto for the masses of illegal labor sellers that hang out on Westpark between Chimney Rock and Southwest Freeway. I could go on and on and on.

How well do you think this open flaunting of illegality would fly if it were Johns picking up whores on the street corner or crackheads scoring dope? You don't think the city government knows this is going on? What about ICE? How about Bush and Congress?

As I said earlier in this thread...our government from top to bottom along with corporate America is totally corrupt. And it won't change until we take back our country from the crooks that are running it into the ground.

Where is a real leader with testicles like Eisenhower when he is sorely needed today? None of the 3 running today are worthy enough to shine his shoes much less run our country.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

Implanting a microchip is not punitive, we are all force into vaccinations so why not a chip implanted just to enter the US regardless of the reason? If your time is up an alarm goes off and they send someone to pick you up. Does the fear of being found only scare someone who is criminal? If a law abiding person doesn't do anything wrong why would they care if the government could track their location?

Implanting microchips and vaccinations are too completely different things. Why would anyone want the government to be able to track their location any minute of the day, even if they are law-abiding? Any kind of tracking device should be left to the discretion of parents in regards to being able to track their underage children IMO.

So its ok for parents to do it and track thier children?

Yes, under 18. There are certain privileges parents should be allowed to do with their kids within the scope fo the law (note I did not say microchip, but there are tracking devices in cars for instance). If there was an emergency, it would be nice to know where my kids are if cell phone was not accessible.

That is simple logic as a parent. Chip or no chip, whatever it is can come off at 18. One thing is for minors to be under good tutelage and watchful parenting and the other is to confuse that same treatment for a nation's citizens whom are the base of the government. It is the US government that needs to be mindful of its citizens' watchful gaze, not the other way around.

We are forced to wear seatbelts in the name of saving lives, we are forced to register for selective services if you are male, if microchips were implanted would that help find abducted children? people lost in a snow storm?

Who knows the reasons Americans would be convinced or forced to comply but it will happen one of these days. Immigration is a growing concern all over the US and something is going to happen in the next few years. Hate is slowly growing, you can see it every day in newspapers, news, talk radio, internet, anyplace where people can voice their opinions. Do you think all the ilegal immigration issues are going to die down? Every politician for or against reform have said the first thing that has to be done is control the borders and then the workplace. The border control may or may not be possible but the work and commerce can be controlled. Let's see how far they are willing to take it to have control? Let's see how far the American public will allow the government to go to gain control.

I am not for this in any way but in my opinion I think the government is capable of almost anything.

[Scott & Lai 12]

I was never hiding in the shadows, I've always been proud of my wetback roots. I yelled and screamed "give me a green card or give me death!" so all of a sudden the USCIS gave me a pink card, can you believe that #######? Pink?!

Then I thought "shoot, I might as well become one of yous" so I gots me a US citizenship. Then when I petitioned my husband, 'cause you know, he married me for the pink card since love is so overrated, I told the US government "I'm bringing my husband and he's not going through Mexico because that damn desert is too freaking hot and he's not used to eating spicy food with mariachi bands". And what do you know, the CO just approved us in no time. Snaaaaap!

Gotta love the good ol' US of A! (as the song "Proud To Be an American" is being played in the background) B)

Diana

Should be ashamed of yourself! In this country being a wetback and love the US is unbelievable, besides all those jobs done by the undocumented are easy as #######! people from here would fight for them if it wasn't for you people who come and steal them. I always dreamed on becoming a picking farm worker, working under 100 F, no health insurance, being harrassed and threatened all the time and making 4 dlls an hour. ALL that money can you imagine it! THAT'S LIFE people!! *sigh* Damn you wetbacks, you stole my dream!!!

I'm replying to your tagline that says we are all immigrants. I'm not an immigrant. I was born and raised in the US. I did not immigrate to it. I currently legally live and work in China, but I have not immigrated here. That is not an option for me. China is not open to immigration except for to a small handful. As for my anscestors, they did not immigrate either. They migrated from France to territory that belonged to France. That territory was later sold by France to the already established nation of the USA, but that was several generations after the arrival of my ancestors.

I would agree that the US is a nation built upon the backs of immigrants, and I think immigration is a wonderful thing, and something to be proud of. I wouldn't be taking this visajourney if I didn't. But I get tired of this statement because it is a simplistic, inaccurate statement usually given, very arrogantly and judgementally and in a prejudiced manner, to stop discussion about illegal immigration.

If you mean that everyone everywhere in the world can trace their roots back to a different location from where they find themselves today, then I would agree, but that's sort of like saying, Everyone breathes, so I don't see the point.

As for the quote from the Statue, it implies, fairly explicitely, legal immigration. Unfortunately, the US has no room for the tired, the poor, and the hungry these days because there are no jobs for them. I wonder why.

[HAL 9000 96]

We need better roads in NW Houston ....

Take the illegals ... slice them thin ... and make the roads smooth ... at this point they're actually helping the economy ....

They already line the roads in NW Houston. Both sides. Have you ever been to Carverdale in NW Houston? The stretch of Gessner between Clay Road and Hempstead Road? Definitely Mojadoville. There were always 50+ illegal aliens out there daily openly selling illegal black market labor when I used to pass through there.

Not to mention the dozens of illegal aliens congregating on West Belfort between Beltway 8 & Southwest Freeway. Ditto for the masses of illegal labor sellers that hang out on Westpark between Chimney Rock and Southwest Freeway. I could go on and on and on.

How well do you think this open flaunting of illegality would fly if it were Johns picking up whores on the street corner or crackheads scoring dope? You don't think the city government knows this is going on? What about ICE? How about Bush and Congress?

As I said earlier in this thread...our government from top to bottom along with corporate America is totally corrupt. And it won't change until we take back our country from the crooks that are running it into the ground.

Where is a real leader with testicles like Eisenhower when he is sorely needed today? None of the 3 running today are worthy enough to shine his shoes much less run our country.

Cell phone: ICE

Be a hero.

[HAL 9000 96]

Implanting a microchip is not punitive, we are all force into vaccinations so why not a chip implanted just to enter the US regardless of the reason? If your time is up an alarm goes off and they send someone to pick you up. Does the fear of being found only scare someone who is criminal? If a law abiding person doesn't do anything wrong why would they care if the government could track their location?

Implanting microchips and vaccinations are too completely different things. Why would anyone want the government to be able to track their location any minute of the day, even if they are law-abiding? Any kind of tracking device should be left to the discretion of parents in regards to being able to track their underage children IMO.

So its ok for parents to do it and track thier children?

Yes, under 18. There are certain privileges parents should be allowed to do with their kids within the scope fo the law (note I did not say microchip, but there are tracking devices in cars for instance). If there was an emergency, it would be nice to know where my kids are if cell phone was not accessible.

That is simple logic as a parent. Chip or no chip, whatever it is can come off at 18. One thing is for minors to be under good tutelage and watchful parenting and the other is to confuse that same treatment for a nation's citizens whom are the base of the government. It is the US government that needs to be mindful of its citizens' watchful gaze, not the other way around.

We are forced to wear seatbelts in the name of saving lives, we are forced to register for selective services if you are male, if microchips were implanted would that help find abducted children? people lost in a snow storm?

Who knows the reasons Americans would be convinced or forced to comply but it will happen one of these days. Immigration is a growing concern all over the US and something is going to happen in the next few years. Hate is slowly growing, you can see it every day in newspapers, news, talk radio, internet, anyplace where people can voice their opinions. Do you think all the ilegal immigration issues are going to die down? Every politician for or against reform have said the first thing that has to be done is control the borders and then the workplace. The border control may or may not be possible but the work and commerce can be controlled. Let's see how far they are willing to take it to have control? Let's see how far the American public will allow the government to go to gain control.

I am not for this in any way but in my opinion I think the government is capable of almost anything.

Seatbelts are mechanically optional. Selective service is the law, but there are ways out of it.

Minors with tracking ability could be found much like a GPS recovery system on a cell phone does.

It is eerily scary to have to fathom such an intrusion on a population wide level and I contend that it will not happen without it nearly becoming some future generation's cry for reason (against such a practice). Hate has always been a factor in most societies, including the US, one way or another- be it against our own citizens, be it against illegals, be it against X, Y, or Z.

Politicians will not be willing to sacrifice their entire career over an issue that does not impact the entire population and is hyper inflated by political hypochondriacs. The Patriot Act won unflinching support under circumstances of fear and vengeance and was nearly immediately an issue to be toppled even by those that slowly came around to realize their legislative mistake (for those that were not posteriorly voted out of office). I foresee it dying soon under the next presidential administration as a legal repeal or an expiration.

So, Americans, at least rationalizing Americans, will not stand for further strengthening of overt governmental control. We already approve in ignorance and lack of knowing the covert control the government exerts on the population. Sometimes it comes up, but mostly it can go unchecked in secrecy.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

"Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice"

"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty"

-John Adams

[peejay 327]

We need better roads in NW Houston ....

Take the illegals ... slice them thin ... and make the roads smooth ... at this point they're actually helping the economy ....

They already line the roads in NW Houston. Both sides. Have you ever been to Carverdale in NW Houston? The stretch of Gessner between Clay Road and Hempstead Road? Definitely Mojadoville. There were always 50+ illegal aliens out there daily openly selling illegal black market labor when I used to pass through there.

Not to mention the dozens of illegal aliens congregating on West Belfort between Beltway 8 & Southwest Freeway. Ditto for the masses of illegal labor sellers that hang out on Westpark between Chimney Rock and Southwest Freeway. I could go on and on and on.

How well do you think this open flaunting of illegality would fly if it were Johns picking up whores on the street corner or crackheads scoring dope? You don't think the city government knows this is going on? What about ICE? How about Bush and Congress?

As I said earlier in this thread...our government from top to bottom along with corporate America is totally corrupt. And it won't change until we take back our country from the crooks that are running it into the ground.

Where is a real leader with testicles like Eisenhower when he is sorely needed today? None of the 3 running today are worthy enough to shine his shoes much less run our country.

Cell phone: ICE

Be a hero.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Your so witty and a real comedian.

Read the post. Why waste cell minutes telling ICE something they already know? They are just puppets on a string. Follow the string to the crooks.