My wife left me!

[Mags 112]

Remember this day well, fellow Ruskies. One day we will sit around the kitchen table drinking vodka and eating pelmeni, and talk of the day that Brazilians, Canadians, Brits, and moderators came to our forum en masse. The newbies will stare in slack-jawed wonder, insisting we're drunk and just making this ####### up. Then Jefferey will slowly pull the charred remnants of a fishnet stocking and his Valentine's hat out, and everyone will be silent.

I agree that was, actually, bloody hilarious.

[PlatyPius 5]

Remember this day well, fellow Ruskies. One day we will sit around the kitchen table drinking vodka and eating pelmeni, and talk of the day that Brazilians, Canadians, Brits, and moderators came to our forum en masse. The newbies will stare in slack-jawed wonder, insisting we're drunk and just making this ####### up. Then Jefferey will slowly pull the charred remnants of a fishnet stocking and his Valentine's hat out, and everyone will be silent.

I agree that was, actually, bloody hilarious.

I agree sweetie.... I think that one wins a BEST POST EVAR!!!11 award.

What's the award for today? Pickled Herring again?

[Mags 112]

Remember this day well, fellow Ruskies. One day we will sit around the kitchen table drinking vodka and eating pelmeni, and talk of the day that Brazilians, Canadians, Brits, and moderators came to our forum en masse. The newbies will stare in slack-jawed wonder, insisting we're drunk and just making this ####### up. Then Jefferey will slowly pull the charred remnants of a fishnet stocking and his Valentine's hat out, and everyone will be silent.

I agree that was, actually, bloody hilarious.

I agree sweetie.... I think that one wins a BEST POST EVAR!!!11 award.

What's the award for today? Pickled Herring again?

I've got an old sock somewhere....*rummages around in the laundry hamper, picks out grey sock, dusts it off* ...yep, today's prize is this wonderful, erm, old sock.

Enjoy your prize, Mox!

[akdiver 3]

As to AK's debate on foreseeability here is my take:

In law we punish someone civilly (tort) or criminally based on a concept of actual and proximate causation. Thus the actor must (1) be the "but for" (actual) because of an action and (2) be the legal proximate cause (foreseeable) cause. So everyone easily meets the first part "but for" causation in terms of B being offended that A stole his car. Being offended might also be foreseeable, but having B take his anger out on random group of people is not foreseeable.

When something is foreseeable we call it an intervening cause and when something is not we call it superseding. So one classical example is A is at fault in a car accident hurting B. B goes to the hospital and his doctor commits malpractice causing him to die. But for the doctor's actions B would have lived. Should we hold A the original tortfeaser liable? Surprisingly the answer is yes. An example of superseding causes in the same situation is A driving a gas tanker negligently drives it overturns the truck. Gasoline spills onto the sidewalk and runs 15 blocks down the street. B a random criminal lights a match and damages C's property 15 blocks away. Should we hold A liable? Answer no.

For what it's worth, I was not attempting to make a legal argument. I was making a logical argument - logic does not necessarily have anything to do with the law.

In summary, the point I was pressing is that it is irrational and illogical to claim that person A is somehow responsible for the feelings of person B, given that person A has no control over said feelings (and generally, person B doesn't either). This being the case, you (Satellite) are hardly responsible for making anyone reading this thread feel bad - especially since they are more than able to stop reading at any time. To come back to the thread and repeatedly claim "you offend me, you offend me" is really, nonsense. More succinctly, the statement, "you made me feel bad" is a misnomer. I argue that I didn't make you feel anything. Your feelings are your response to your environment, and it is only your environment that I may or may not have affected.

Cheers!

AKDiver

Edited February 26, 2008 by akdiver

[Satellite 1]

people here became so serious these days... congratulations on creating multi-page discussion from two sentence joke...

Remember this day well, fellow Ruskies. One day we will sit around the kitchen table drinking vodka and eating pelmeni, and talk of the day that Brazilians, Canadians, Brits, and moderators came to our forum en masse. The newbies will stare in slack-jawed wonder, insisting we're drunk and just making this ####### up. Then Jefferey will slowly pull the charred remnants of a fishnet stocking and his Valentine's hat out, and everyone will be silent.

It has been my pleasure!

[PlatyPius 5]

I've got an old sock somewhere....*rummages around in the laundry hamper, picks out grey sock, dusts it off* ...yep, today's prize is this wonderful, erm, old sock.

Enjoy your prize, Mox!

Ooooh, old sock! This'll go well with...well...er...thanks!

Hey! That was MY old grey sock! Great, now I have a half-pair, just like all of my others......

[Jenn! 918]

A --> B --> C

What happens if there is no A?

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

I've got an old sock somewhere....*rummages around in the laundry hamper, picks out grey sock, dusts it off* ...yep, today's prize is this wonderful, erm, old sock.

Enjoy your prize, Mox!

Ooooh, old sock! This'll go well with...well...er...thanks!

Hey! That was MY old grey sock! Great, now I have a half-pair, just like all of my others......

you mean mags hasn't discovered bleach yet?

[Jason-Sasha 1]

Dang! It looks like there's a whole lot of fun going on in here now. And, as always, I have been missing out. I was just thinking earlier today about Jeff's hats, and wondering when the St. Pat's Day hats will appear. I think everyone here is doing a great job ignoring the original topic, and in our usual fashion, changing the subject to something a little more light hearted.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

That's easy! B sucks the life out of A with excessive spousal and child support while C has to stay with B except for every other weekend and one day during each week.

A --> B --> C

What happens if there is no A?

I suspect they'll be appearing rather soon my friend!

Dang! It looks like there's a whole lot of fun going on in here now. And, as always, I have been missing out. I was just thinking earlier today about Jeff's hats, and wondering when the St. Pat's Day hats will appear. I think everyone here is doing a great job ignoring the original topic, and in our usual fashion, changing the subject to something a little more light hearted.

[Krikit 1,166]

While it might be in bad taste, you get the point...

How utterly offensive. How fitting that it was posted in an equally offensive thread.

As to AK's debate on foreseeability here is my take:

In law we punish someone civilly (tort) or criminally based on a concept of actual and proximate causation. Thus the actor must (1) be the "but for" (actual) because of an action and (2) be the legal proximate cause (foreseeable) cause. So everyone easily meets the first part "but for" causation in terms of B being offended that A stole his car. Being offended might also be foreseeable, but having B take his anger out on random group of people is not foreseeable.

When something is foreseeable we call it an intervening cause and when something is not we call it superseding. So one classical example is A is at fault in a car accident hurting B. B goes to the hospital and his doctor commits malpractice causing him to die. But for the doctor's actions B would have lived. Should we hold A the original tortfeaser liable? Surprisingly the answer is yes. An example of superseding causes in the same situation is A driving a gas tanker negligently drives it overturns the truck. Gasoline spills onto the sidewalk and runs 15 blocks down the street. B a random criminal lights a match and damages C's property 15 blocks away. Should we hold A liable? Answer no.

For what it's worth, I was not attempting to make a legal argument. I was making a logical argument - logic does not necessarily have anything to do with the law.

In summary, the point I was pressing is that it is irrational and illogical to claim that person A is somehow responsible for the feelings of person B, given that person A has no control over said feelings (and generally, person B doesn't either). This being the case, you (Satellite) are hardly responsible for making anyone reading this thread feel bad - especially since they are more than able to stop reading at any time. To come back to the thread and repeatedly claim "you offend me, you offend me" is really, nonsense. More succinctly, the statement, "you made me feel bad" is a misnomer. I argue that I didn't make you feel anything. Your feelings are your response to your environment, and it is only your environment that I may or may not have affected.

Cheers!

AKDiver

[sj5 4]

She didn't go anywhere. She is just having fun with my account. Suckers! For believing such a thing.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

I think that pretty much covers it all! :lol:

How utterly offensive. How fitting that it was posted in an equally offensive thread.

Excuse me, I don't know how you run things over on the Canadian forum, but here in the Russian forum you are expected to stay on topic. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with spousal abandonment, Satellite bashing, lawyer bashing, Russian bashing, akdiver bashing, cannibals, the law as pertains to hurt feelings and auto theft, philosophy as pertains to hurt feelings and auto theft, funny hats, fishnet body stockings, pelmeni, vodka, or dirty socks. So unless you care to stay on topic I'll have to call in a moderator. And don't think we don't have one. We do. I saw her once.

[Krikit 1,166]

How utterly offensive. How fitting that it was posted in an equally offensive thread.

Excuse me, I don't know how you run things over on the Canadian forum, but here in the Russian forum you are expected to stay on topic. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with spousal abandonment, Satellite bashing, lawyer bashing, Russian bashing, akdiver bashing, cannibals, the law as pertains to hurt feelings and auto theft, philosophy as pertains to hurt feelings and auto theft, funny hats, fishnet body stockings, pelmeni, vodka, or dirty socks. So unless you care to stay on topic I'll have to call in a moderator. And don't think we don't have one. We do. I saw her once.

Oh.... sorry. I had thought it was on topic. Well.... at least in my head it was. Let's see... it covered how I felt about Satellite en famille, as well as AKdiver's drivel. Oh, and.... qu'elle surprise!.... I had completely forgotten that AKdiver was the only VJ member who was on my ignore list! Can you imagine when... to my delight and surprise.... he suddenly re-surfaced after an extended absence to defend the undefendable? Well, it just doesn't get any better than that, does it?

[Mags 112]

So unless you care to stay on topic I'll have to call in a moderator. And don't think we don't have one. We do. I saw her once.

*waves*

Twice, now.