Schoolgirl Rape Victim Burned With Acid

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You made a comment on the story that is essentially using it for a dig against people that hold an anti-DP position. There's not an undertone - the meaning is pretty explicit.

read what you want. i explained myself (not that i needed to). if you want to take it as a dig, go for it. you know i don't candy coat my opinion on anything or write in code. if what you keep saying was true, do you think i would just say it?

You did.

what boo & marc aren't here, so you want to argue w/ someone else? get over yourself dude.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You made a comment on the story that is essentially using it for a dig against people that hold an anti-DP position. There's not an undertone - the meaning is pretty explicit.

read what you want. i explained myself (not that i needed to). if you want to take it as a dig, go for it. you know i don't candy coat my opinion on anything or write in code. if what you keep saying was true, do you think i would just say it?

You did.

what boo & marc aren't here, so you want to argue w/ someone else? get over yourself dude.

And so the personal attacks start eh?

Ah well... figures. You might not candy coat your opinion, but you sure can't be honest about it.

[SMOKE 1,426]

You made a comment on the story that is essentially using it for a dig against people that hold an anti-DP position. There's not an undertone - the meaning is pretty explicit.

read what you want. i explained myself (not that i needed to). if you want to take it as a dig, go for it. you know i don't candy coat my opinion on anything or write in code. if what you keep saying was true, do you think i would just say it?

You did.

what boo & marc aren't here, so you want to argue w/ someone else? get over yourself dude.

And so the personal attacks start eh?

Ah well... figures. You might not candy coat your opinion, but you sure can't be honest about it.

ok. where is the personal attack? if the truth about what you do allday everyday & what you come to this site to do is a personal attack, then i'm guilty. i am honest about my opinion. i have said i did not blame this on anti DP people. you are the one that said i said it.

[JODO 2]

Horrible.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

[Alex+R 0]

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

All true! But unfortunately, most people prefer to think with their gut on this one. This forum can sometimes show you the value of representative democracy when compared with true democracy.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

All true! But unfortunately, most people prefer to think with their gut on this one. This forum can sometimes show you the value of representative democracy when compared with true democracy.

Indeed. Because while we can look at evil Iran and Saudi Arabia with their public floggings and dismemberments and feel appalled and self-superior - it seems that our justice system seems to be sadly lacking when its felt that the perpetrator really deserves it.

That said of course - given the rising prison population, and the current trend of filling up new facilities to record numbers in record time - it seems clear that something isn't working... Still I'm less than convinced that the DP is the "magic solution". I'm not sure it ever was...

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

Not really nurturing - but I think most crime thrives in areas of economic deprivation or as a result of poor standards of education. Investing in our social infrastructure is at least one way forward - but I suppose there's a reason why crappy areas stay crappy, despite the fact that there are elected officials who supposedly represent the people of those areas.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

Not really nurturing - but I think most crime thrives in areas of economic deprivation or as a result of poor standards of education. Investing in our social infrastructure is at least one way forward - but I suppose there's a reason why crappy areas stay crappy, despite the fact that there are elected officials who supposedly represent the people of those areas.

I disagree. Non-violent crime (stealing) perhaps, but violent behavior is a learned trait.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

Not really nurturing - but I think most crime thrives in areas of economic deprivation or as a result of poor standards of education. Investing in our social infrastructure is at least one way forward - but I suppose there's a reason why crappy areas stay crappy, despite the fact that there are elected officials who supposedly represent the people of those areas.

I disagree. Non-violent crime (stealing) perhaps, but violent behavior is a learned trait.

Sure - but these things are really connected. Tottenham where this story took place has a history of underfunding - I think because it falls between jurisdictions that disqualify it for inner city funding. It's no coincidence of course that it has a high crime level - IMO of course.

It also has a high immigrant population (mainly from Africa) - so there might be a cultural thing here too. Its not so simple as picking a cause and saying that's the answer - as this is how we end up with statements that suggest we can save society by implementing corporal punishment.

Edited January 16, 2008 by Number 6

[Alex+R 0]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

Not really nurturing - but I think most crime thrives in areas of economic deprivation or as a result of poor standards of education. Investing in our social infrastructure is at least one way forward - but I suppose there's a reason why crappy areas stay crappy, despite the fact that there are elected officials who supposedly represent the people of those areas.

I disagree. Non-violent crime (stealing) perhaps, but violent behavior is a learned trait.

Sure - but these things are really connected. Tottenham where this story took place has a history of underfunding - I think because it falls between jurisdictions that disqualify it for inner city funding. It's no coincidence of course that it has a high crime level - IMO of course.

It also has a high immigrant population (mainly from Africa) - so there might be a cultural thing here too. Its not so simple as picking a cause and saying that's the answer - as this is how we end up with statements that suggest we can save society by implementing corporal punishment.

This stuff doesn't just happen because we don't have the DP, but it certainly isn't just happening because kids aren't getting enough hugs, either.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Noone seems to want to really tackle crime these days, only sweep up the broken pieces.

Nurturing...the best remedy. It won't stop all of it, but it begins at home.

Not really nurturing - but I think most crime thrives in areas of economic deprivation or as a result of poor standards of education. Investing in our social infrastructure is at least one way forward - but I suppose there's a reason why crappy areas stay crappy, despite the fact that there are elected officials who supposedly represent the people of those areas.

I disagree. Non-violent crime (stealing) perhaps, but violent behavior is a learned trait.

Sure - but these things are really connected. Tottenham where this story took place has a history of underfunding - I think because it falls between jurisdictions that disqualify it for inner city funding. It's no coincidence of course that it has a high crime level - IMO of course.

It also has a high immigrant population (mainly from Africa) - so there might be a cultural thing here too. Its not so simple as picking a cause and saying that's the answer - as this is how we end up with statements that suggest we can save society by implementing corporal punishment.

This stuff doesn't just happen because we don't have the DP, but it certainly isn't just happening because kids aren't getting enough hugs, either.

As terrible as this crime is - I have seen worse. A few years ago there was a case where police pulled the dismembered body of a child out of the Thames. They still haven't solved the case today - but the police believe that the child was sacrificed by some sort of African death cult. This happened in London.. and the people who did it I can only assume are still at large there... Its completely alien to the sort of crime we normally get in Britain - shootings and stabbings are ten a penny (relatively speaking of course , but ritual sacrifice has never been seen in modern Britain, to my knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_%28unsol..._murder_case%29

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1788452.stm

As far as what the cause of this kind of thing is - if I had to point to one thing I'd say that the UK Govts asylum and immigration policies are probably at fault. But that's to assume details about this particular case than aren't in the public domain.

Edited January 16, 2008 by Number 6

[Ban Hammer 14,674]

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

well that's all nice and wonderful, but how about coming back to the real world for a change?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...tal++punishment

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Well call be disturbed, what have you. If someone raped and poured acid on a member of my family and I get there first, I will go Medieval on their ###. I'll go to work with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

Intentionally inflicting pain, injury, or death on a person is immoral regardless of what that person did. I find it scary how many people are proponents of "eye for an eye" justice. What happened to this poor girl is horrifying, but torturing her assailant(s), as some of you have suggested, is not the solution.

My previous stated observation was noting that some people simply won't be deterred. Death penalty, public hanging, electric chair, firing squad, torture--these do not deter everyone. Many criminals are mentally ill. Most people who commit crimes think that they won't get caught. Many don't think past the crime or consider consequences, particularly in crimes of passion or desperation.

Criminal justice is a much more complicated enterprise than "this person deserves to rot in hell for all eternity and experience the pain he has caused." That position simply helps no one, certainly not the victim.

Anyone who takes pleasure in the suffering of another, regardless of circumstances, is disturbed.

well that's all nice and wonderful, but how about coming back to the real world for a change?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...tal++punishment