Immigrants go home for holidays

[eric&gen 0]

Illegals go home for the holidays too bad they don't stay home.

[Jenn! 918]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

I don't understand your response to my question. I realize that you "are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue." What I don't get is the talk about morality being tied to current legal status when legal status can be a question of circumstance.

Green Eyed Girl's stance is consistent, even though I disagree - it doesn't matter whether or not you are currently legal, if you have ever been illegal your morality comes into question.

[natty bumppo 297]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

Then go talk to the government that won't do anything about it because they continue to allow businesses to hire them and stay here - but oh wait, they won't. The economy is bad enough as it is, they aren't going to do something to lose a good percentage of the CHEAP work force.

Have been talking to them.

Also have you noticed the different threads with crackdowns on illegals and jobs/ job requirements? times are changing. Not fast enough ... yet it's happening.

[athena_ny 1]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

Then go talk to the government that won't do anything about it because they continue to allow businesses to hire them and stay here - but oh wait, they won't. The economy is bad enough as it is, they aren't going to do something to lose a good percentage of the CHEAP work force.

Have been talking to them.

Also have you noticed the different threads with crackdowns on illegals and jobs/ job requirements? times are changing. Not fast enough ... yet it's happening.

Meh, it's getting more press. I don't think anything will ever change.

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

I don't understand your response to my question. I realize that you "are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue." What I don't get is the talk about morality being tied to current legal status when legal status can be a question of circumstance.

Green Eyed Girl's stance is consistent, even though I disagree - it doesn't matter whether or not you are currently legal, if you have ever been illegal your morality comes into question.

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[natty bumppo 297]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

I don't understand your response to my question. I realize that you "are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue." What I don't get is the talk about morality being tied to current legal status when legal status can be a question of circumstance.

Green Eyed Girl's stance is consistent, even though I disagree - it doesn't matter whether or not you are currently legal, if you have ever been illegal your morality comes into question.

First:

By an illegal going back to their country and becoming legal ... they at least corrected a legal wrong ... they finally got in line like everyone else.

Second:

I'll make this easy because GEG stated it so well ...

I agree with GEG. Even with her comment of "marrying to change out of illegal is also highly questionable".

[PlatyPius 5]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

Then go talk to the government that won't do anything about it because they continue to allow businesses to hire them and stay here - but oh wait, they won't. The economy is bad enough as it is, they aren't going to do something to lose a good percentage of the CHEAP work force.

I'm with you a lot of the way on this issue, but in this instance I disagree with you.

A large part of the problem with our economy IS the illegals. They send billions of dollars out of the country to their families. That's money removed from our economy, never to be seen again.

No illegals = decent wage for jobs = more money to spend on necessities as well as luxuries = more products/services being offered = more jobs. True, the price of some goods and services would go up if companies had to actually pay a decent wage, but it would work itself out in the end.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

I don't wonder. My husband was illegal, and he doesn't feel any bitterness to people who are illegal and continue to be so. We don't ask about immigration status before we enter someone's house. He'd probably more supportive of them than I am of amnesty.

And he never had to "go back" anywhere.

Illegals are the ones with questionable moral values. I wouldn't advise anyone to brag about having been illegal. And marrying to change out of illegal is also highly questionable. Not pc, but needs to be said.

Except...that's not why we got married!

And it's not bragging, but telling the truth. You don't know his personal situation and why he stayed here, but I'll say it and say it again: when your father falls off the 3rd story of a roof and you have a legal mess to clean up and you can't if you leave the country, come talk to me about it.

Boy had been offered marriage for papers many times before he met me...contrary to what all you think, not everyone thinks American is a land of golden streets where THEY MUST STAY. He did not want to stay here, but did because of me. And if I'm going to have a quality life, my husband is going to be legal.

You have no right to be assessing the moral values of people you don't even know. 99% of the illegals I know have higher moral values than the US Citizens I know.

If you can get self-righteous, others can too. Don't put out statements you dont want commented on, cause you should know by now, they will be commented on. I have every right to access moral value of people based on their behavior. I dont have to meet them all. There is a difference between right and wrong; a standard of morality every woman knows if she is cheated on, for example.

There are avenues to take to renew a visa under circumstances such as you describe. No need to become illegal.

Edited December 23, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

I don't understand your response to my question. I realize that you "are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue." What I don't get is the talk about morality being tied to current legal status when legal status can be a question of circumstance.

Green Eyed Girl's stance is consistent, even though I disagree - it doesn't matter whether or not you are currently legal, if you have ever been illegal your morality comes into question.

My stance is not quite that cut and dried. My emphasis on intention. With this labyrinth of a system, it is certainly possible to become illegal unintentially. I'm not faulting those who fall into that category. It's the one's who know they are committing illegalities to be here that are in my sights.

Edited December 23, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[natty bumppo 297]

My stance is not quite that cut and dried. My emphasis on intention. With this labyrinth of a system, it is certainly possible to become illegal unintentially. I'm not faulting those who fall into that category. It's the one's who know they are committing illegalities to be here that are in my sights.

I'll add ..

Anyone who is a tourist, K-1, H-1 ... or whatever visa type should know what the requirements are to keep legal ... and leave when their visa has expired or the length of stay is over.

There are legal paths to extend a visitor stay (we've done it) and it's not difficult ... just provide a solid reason in the request for an extended stay and live by the answer given by USCIS (the person will be sent a new I-94 with new validity dates).

[peejay 327]

99% of the illegals I know have higher moral values than the US Citizens I know.

I hate to be harsh, but that doesn't bode well for any of the people you associate with.

[rebeccajo 14]

Really? Who died and appointed you God?

If you can get self-righteous, others can too. Don't put out statements you dont want commented on, cause you should know by now, they will be commented on. I have every right to access moral value of people based on their behavior. I dont have to meet them all. There is a difference between right and wrong; a standard of morality every woman knows if she is cheated on, for example.

There are avenues to take to renew a visa under circumstances such as you describe. No need to become illegal.

[rebeccajo 14]

Do you know what is LEGAL? It's perfectly legal to adjust status from another visa type if the marriage to a USC is bonafide.

You people kill me. You are so wrapped up in your venom you don't even know the laws you supposedly promote.

I'll add ..

Anyone who is a tourist, K-1, H-1 ... or whatever visa type should know what the requirements are to keep legal ... and leave when their visa has expired or the length of stay is over.

There are legal paths to extend a visitor stay (we've done it) and it's not difficult ... just provide a solid reason in the request for an extended stay and live by the answer given by USCIS (the person will be sent a new I-94 with new validity dates).

99% of the illegals I know have higher moral values than the US Citizens I know.

I hate to be harsh, but that doesn't bode well for any of the people you associate with.

Merry Christmas to you again, peejay.

Mother Theresa

Illegals are illegals, the of aim this forum is to not be illegal.

Peejay.....

I'd love to see you spend the amount of time you spend reading up on illegals and posting your drivel on something constructive - like ringing the Salvation Army bell outside WalMart or doing some volunteer work with kids.

Or maybe joining a political action committee to do some GOOD about immigration laws. Then you might realize that not everybody here illegally is a Mexican and not everybody here illegally is out to TAKE from you.

Gee...it is an immigration forum. It's not like I'm posting it on a sports forum or a computer forum.

So what if I post stuff I run across while reading the newspaper online? If it ruins your day...don't read it!

And...BTW...have a Mery X-mas and a Happy New Year.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas too. There's little kids and poor people out there who won't. Help make their day a little brighter if you can. You know, give a big tip to your trash guy or the waitress you see everyday.

We can't solve all the worlds problems by ######*ng and kvetching. But we can try in little ways to make the world a better place.

And I don't care if it sounds Pollyana. It works.

I love that! Keep doing it!

Edited December 23, 2007 by rebeccajo

[Fandango 1,440]

Really? Who died and appointed you God?

If you can get self-righteous, others can too. Don't put out statements you dont want commented on, cause you should know by now, they will be commented on. I have every right to access moral value of people based on their behavior. I dont have to meet them all. There is a difference between right and wrong; a standard of morality every woman knows if she is cheated on, for example.

There are avenues to take to renew a visa under circumstances such as you describe. No need to become illegal.

Everything you've said in this thread could be said back to you, yanno. But GEG is right....we all make moral judgments on ppl based on their beliefs and actions. Look at the judgments you've made and your comments to Peejay alone. Not to mention your incorrect assumptions about what kind of people we 'anti-illegals' are.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Do you know what is LEGAL? It's perfectly legal to adjust status from another visa type if the marriage to a USC is bonafide.

You people kill me. You are so wrapped up in your venom you don't even know the laws you supposedly promote.

Venom, you say?

Peejay.....

I'd love to see you spend the amount of time you spend reading up on illegals and posting your drivel on something constructive - like ringing the Salvation Army bell outside WalMart or doing some volunteer work with kids.

Or maybe joining a political action committee to do some GOOD about immigration laws. Then you might realize that not everybody here illegally is a Mexican and not everybody here illegally is out to TAKE from you.

You've jumped to conclusions that Peejay hasn't done anything...do you know this for a fact?

Might I also ask why you're sat here on this thread when you could be 'doing something more constructive?'

Then you might realize that not everybody here illegally is a Mexican and not everybody here illegally is out to TAKE from you.

I don't remember peejay ever making a claim to the former. As to the latter, they do take from the taxpayer. That's you and me and peejay. And they take billions of dollars each year.

I get tired of it, Reinhard, that's all.

People pizzing and moaning about the illegals just bores me. Spend some time doing something good in the world, cure the ails you can, and move on. If you feel passionately about something you feel is a political wrong, then get off your butt and get involved to solve the problem.

Then you should avoid these threads. And if you haven't already, perhaps your own advice here bodes well: I'm sure there are grassroot committees you can become involved with.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas too. There's little kids and poor people out there who won't. Help make their day a little brighter if you can. You know, give a big tip to your trash guy or the waitress you see everyday.

We can't solve all the worlds problems by ######*ng and kvetching. But we can try in little ways to make the world a better place.

And I don't care if it sounds Pollyana. It works.

it doesn't sound Pollyanna....it sounds condescending. As if you know what Peejay or anyone here does to 'help make ppl's days a little brighter'

Oh, have a great Christmas!

[natty bumppo 297]

Do you know what is LEGAL? It's perfectly legal to adjust status from another visa type if the marriage to a USC is bonafide.

You people kill me. You are so wrapped up in your venom you don't even know the laws you supposedly promote.

I'll add ..

Anyone who is a tourist, K-1, H-1 ... or whatever visa type should know what the requirements are to keep legal ... and leave when their visa has expired or the length of stay is over.

There are legal paths to extend a visitor stay (we've done it) and it's not difficult ... just provide a solid reason in the request for an extended stay and live by the answer given by USCIS (the person will be sent a new I-94 with new validity dates).

I love that! Keep doing it!

Aww .... rebeccajo ... the patronization is a hoot ...

I'm not sure how you got to the above comment from the quotes posted in your response. The conversation was mostly about illegals and morality ... not to "adjust status from another visa type".

[rebeccajo 14]

Ah. Life according to LisaD.

I have my beliefs about immigration and I belong to and have donated to an organization who has a real lobbyist who can and is effecting real change. I don't just sit here and post - over and over again - the same agenda. I believe those who feel strongly on either side of the fence should do the same.

I support charitable causes throughout the year in ways that I am able to do so - sometimes financially but usually otherwise. I believe anyone who has the least bit of blessings should do the same.

And I really don't give a healthy $hit what you think of me or my posts, Lisa. We all know it hasn't got anything to do with what I say but because I said it. We've all seen the cat chasing it's tail enough times to recognize the pattern.

Oh...about that judgment thing? Got a mirror?

Really? Who died and appointed you God?

If you can get self-righteous, others can too. Don't put out statements you dont want commented on, cause you should know by now, they will be commented on. I have every right to access moral value of people based on their behavior. I dont have to meet them all. There is a difference between right and wrong; a standard of morality every woman knows if she is cheated on, for example.

There are avenues to take to renew a visa under circumstances such as you describe. No need to become illegal.

Everything you've said in this thread could be said back to you, yanno. But GEG is right....we all make moral judgments on ppl based on their beliefs and actions. Look at the judgments you've made and your comments to Peejay alone. Not to mention your incorrect assumptions about what kind of people we 'anti-illegals' are.

Let's have a look, shall we?

Do you know what is LEGAL? It's perfectly legal to adjust status from another visa type if the marriage to a USC is bonafide.

You people kill me. You are so wrapped up in your venom you don't even know the laws you supposedly promote.

Venom, you say?

Peejay.....

I'd love to see you spend the amount of time you spend reading up on illegals and posting your drivel on something constructive - like ringing the Salvation Army bell outside WalMart or doing some volunteer work with kids.

Or maybe joining a political action committee to do some GOOD about immigration laws. Then you might realize that not everybody here illegally is a Mexican and not everybody here illegally is out to TAKE from you.

You've jumped to conclusions that Peejay hasn't done anything...do you know this for a fact?

Might I also ask why you're sat here on this thread when you could be 'doing something more constructive?'

Then you might realize that not everybody here illegally is a Mexican and not everybody here illegally is out to TAKE from you.

I don't remember peejay ever making a claim to the former. As to the latter, they do take from the taxpayer. That's you and me and peejay. And they take billions of dollars each year.

I get tired of it, Reinhard, that's all.

People pizzing and moaning about the illegals just bores me. Spend some time doing something good in the world, cure the ails you can, and move on. If you feel passionately about something you feel is a political wrong, then get off your butt and get involved to solve the problem.

Then you should avoid these threads. And if you haven't already, perhaps your own advice here bodes well: I'm sure there are grassroot committees you can become involved with.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas too. There's little kids and poor people out there who won't. Help make their day a little brighter if you can. You know, give a big tip to your trash guy or the waitress you see everyday.

We can't solve all the worlds problems by ######*ng and kvetching. But we can try in little ways to make the world a better place.

And I don't care if it sounds Pollyana. It works.

it doesn't sound Pollyanna....it sounds condescending. As if you know what Peejay or anyone here does to 'help make ppl's days a little brighter'

Oh, have a great Christmas!