Rob L

Maven is right, there really is nothing to be learned here.

This topic pretty much encapsulates everything about why I've been having a holiday from VJ. Please do continue and enjoy yourselves.

et plus meme chose Maven

Obama has praised BLM. Hillary has praised high ranking KKK member Robert Byrd. That's ok though. What isn't ok is Trump didn't immediately disavow a fringe hate group that no one should be giving any attention to. I hope you guys realize you are playing right into this group's hands by giving them the attention they wanted. Congratulations for being suckers.

Setting aside your assertions of hypocrisy , we all agree that the President Elect setting a clear boundary on this behavior is a good thing for the country and helps us all put this ugliness behind us. Right?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-what-your-part-of-america-eats-on-thanksgiving/?ex_cid=538fb

Thanksgiving — when we give thanks and celebrate a tale about the welcoming of foreign refugees to American shores — is once again upon us. For some, it’s a day of mass media consumption, with a parade and three NFL games. For others, it’s a day to identify the secret Canadians in our midst by finding out they don’t have plans (Kim!). Sure, we’ve hit the point where the Santa Claus float at the end of the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade commemorates the start of the third week of Christmas music on the radio, but at least turkeys are cheap, right?

And that’s what Thanksgiving is really about: food. So, in the spirit of the things that bring us all together, let’s peel apart this holiday and carve this nation up into factions like a bargain-bin bird. Who eats what where? Our SurveyMonday Audience poll about Thanksgiving traditions had 1,058 respondents.

Chicken, pork and roast beef got cursory shout-outs as main Thanksgiving dishes, but turkey rules, with 82 percent of respondents saying the other, other white meat is the centerpiece of their meal. When you get past the poultry and check out the side dishes, though, the regional distinctions really come out.

Here’s the most disproportionately consumed side dish in each region:

Going deeper, the Southeast is the definitive home of canned cranberry sauce; respondents from the region are 50 percent more likely to pick that over the homemade variety. The Middle Atlantic states disproportionately have cauliflower as a side — 17 percent in the region versus 9 percent nationwide — while Texas and central Southern states see cornbread as far more necessary than the rest of the country, with 40 percent of respondents from those regions having it at dinner, compared with only 28 percent of the nation.

The Southeast prefers their carbs in the form of mac and cheese — 35 percent of respondents in that region include the dish on their Thanksgiving menu versus 20 percent of the country overall. Meanwhile, New England is losing its mind over squash, with 56 percent demanding it on their table, compared with only 18 percent of the nation as a whole. This is, by far, the most confusing finding of this whole pursuit. Did Gronkendorse squash or something?

What about dessert? Every region enjoys pumpkin pie. But beyond that, there are three Americas: The America that disproportionately has apple pie (New England and the Middle Atlantic), the America that has pecan pie and sweet potato pie (the assorted South), and the America that consumes cherry pie (the Midwest and West).

Still, after dessert, the nation unites around that most American of traditions: buying . With little variation among regions, a solid 23 percent of respondents said they would shop Black Friday sales on Thanksgiving Day, a great way to leave the family behind a little early.

Another way to ditch the party early: leave after dinner to hang out with high school friends. Thirty-seven percent of respondents said they’ve done that. So it might be worth checking out Facebook ahead of time to see which of your old associates don’t have kids yet. I know I’ll be doing that, and I’ll see you at that bar that didn’t card when we were 19.

You can download the data for yourself here.

I'm no hippie. Not even close. My wife works in oil and gas as a Geologist.

That being said, I still think that when possible it makes sense to limit things. Having three separate deliveries for one item each is wasteful and unnecessary.

I wonder if there is any data on the energy and packaging waste. The mail is coming out for several folks so there is some economy on the transportation there.

In Seattle we recycle but there is no home for all the bubble wrap...sit there and pop it while watching TV

Amazon Fresh is coming to the neighbor hood soon. Then there will be few reasons to go to the grocery store.

Update:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38069469

Donald Trump has repudiated the fringe "alt-right" group that celebrated his election win with Nazi salutes.

In a far-ranging interview with the New York Times, the US president-elect was quoted as saying: "I condemn them. I disavow, and I condemn."

He said he did not want to "energise" the group, which includes neo-Nazis, white nationalists and anti-Semites.

Alt-right supporters were filmed on Saturday in Washington DC cheering as a speaker shouted: "Hail Trump."

In the video, Richard Spencer, a leader of the "alt-right" movement, told a conference of members that America belongs to white people, whom he described as "children of the sun".

He denounced the movement's critics as "the most despicable creatures who ever walked the planet".

"Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!" Spencer shouts at one point as some members of the audience raise their arms in the Nazi salute.

Farage is the single greatest cause for British wind, hands down.

And he is Trumps pick for Ambassador to the US, although 10 Downing has other ideas.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38064664

Well, I think the Climate Change thing actually boils down to ethics. I think even if people fessed up to agreeing that climate change is real and humans have a negative impact on the planet, the naysayers would say: "So what?" and babble on about how it's good for the economy and creates jobs and whatnot about the fossil fuel industry and etc. The debate about if it's real or not just seems like smoke and mirrors to me in order to avoid the "Hey we're just greedy! We want to exploit and plunder the planet!" truth that lies under their denial motivations. But you're right, it is a kind of "post-truth" (since this is a word now.) They use their argument against it to make their actions seem less terrible. This kind of deception does seem to be on the rise, so the word is apt.

There is of course non-political click bait as you mentioned, but that kind has been around for a while now. It just seems like in recent years it's started infiltrating political news a lot more. Most likely because the owners of the news sites began to understand that it works: it gets more traffic to their site. I think the current economic model of how websites operate more or less encourages click bait unfortunately. Maybe we will hit "peak click bait" and it will die down, we'll have to see. I agree that the tech companies need to start addressing....it is, in some sense, their moral duty because it does shape the kind of world we live in...they need to own up to that. Easier said than done, of course.

And with that I bring you the top 100 adorable cats!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/best-cat-pictures?utm_term=.tue2Dr5E9#.fujj5pJXq

Did Obama ever disavow the Black Panthers or the BLM crowd, that should be on the hate group list

now, you and i both know that trump is not a stupid man with a fickle memory so there must be a reason why he chose to deflect and pretend he'd forgotten who duke is..what could it be..hmmmmm think think think

You made me laugh...maybe it is going to be ok.

Some of you people are delusional. Trump disavowed David Duke and the KKK multiple times but the media kept ignoring him and continued to ask why he won't disavow. He could disavow a million times and it wouldn't be enough for the race baiters. I would do the same thing he is doing now and ignore the race baiters because as president elect there are far more important things to deal with than some butt hurt whiners who won't listen no matter how many times you make your position clear.

You do know that this group in question is not the KKK?

I will sit home all day for one of those kind of packages

but, you could be out shopping...

Yeah, "post-truth" was chosen as Word of the Year, but I think "click bait" would've been a lot more appropriate. Post-truth just sounds silly to me...I mean, I get what they are implying with it, but "post" usually denotes "after" and I'm a bit irked that they changed the meaning a bit.

Click Bait can be any bright shiny object that comes up on a web page that drives you to use it including Kittens, Grapefruit reducing belly fat or some unbelievable fact about a presidential candidate getting indicted. There are economic drivers for some of these and various form deception in others.

When we talk about the post truth era we talk about folks intentionally choosing unverifiable facts and weighing them greater than or equal to truth that can be proven or measured. The internet searches and facebook feeds is just one modality for this.

This bias against the truth is even present in our standard media processes. A good example is climate change: If a news channel presents information on climate change in the news it is incumbent upon them to give equal time to the "opposing view" The thing is Climate Change is settled science, there is no debate in the scientific community and yet the public views this a still to be determined.

Trump et al leveraged the appetite for this and true to his promise "took all of the oxygen from the room". Is this revolution permanent or will we adapt? I feel we will adapt over time , but if these technology firms value their brand, they will get ahead of this before it is too late.

Ex-employee: Facebook leaders should've paid "more attention" to fake news' spread

Founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg is laying out a plan to keep phony news stories off Facebook feeds.

Zuckerberg has been adamant about making sure all points of views have a place on Facebook, but he took time out from an international conference to address the growing debate over fake news. And some say questionable decisions Facebook made months ago might have made the problem worse, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg told global leaders in Peru he wants to connect the world.

But even as he demonstrated virtual reality to Peru’s president, he was forced to deal with a more troubling reality back at home -- the seemingly unchecked proliferation of “fake” news on the site. A Facebook representative addressed the controversy Monday.

“The amount of news that is on our site, that is, as you would call it, fake news, is very small, but we’re not satisfied with that,” said Nicola Mendelsohn.

Zuckerberg outlined seven ways the social media giant hopes to curtail misinformation on the site, including “stronger detection” measures, “easy reporting” of fake stories by users, “third party verification” by fact-checking organizations, and possibly adding “warnings,” flagging false stories by third parties or the Facebook community. But critics say Zuckerberg’s proposed fixes are too little, too late.

“I think as a diplomatic answer it was great, but you know, I think what people really want are more specifics and he failed to deliver that,” said Gizmodo technology editor Michael Nunez.

Adam Schrader was contracted to work for Facebook’s “trending topics” division in May. He said he was laid off four months later and the division was eliminated.

He said Zuckerberg himself maybe was not responsible for seeing this problem coming, “but leaders within the company should’ve been paying more attention to what was you know showing up in people’s news feeds for sure.”

Schrader ‘s job was to help make sure that inaccurate news didn’t trend on Facebook. But he said his trending topics division was eliminated just weeks after criticism earlier this year, that Facebook’s information gatekeepers were suppressing conservative viewpoints. He said his division could have helped minimize the amount of fake news.

“By stopping fake news from trending, you’re likely to stop fake news from spreading further and I think one of the biggest principles of journalism is making sure people have truthful accurate and fair news,” Schrader said.

When asked how much personal responsibility Facebook users should bear in making sure the news they read or share is accurate, Schrader said it’s unrealistic for everyone to fact-check all the news on their feeds, so it’s up to the distributor – in this case Facebook – to step in.

i love Amazon by hate having to be home for the package. my neighbors have often head packages stolen.

In Seattle we have Amazon locker at the local Safeway

soooo, you're saying that folks shouldn't be concerned about the annual "national policy institue" meeting because it isn't new, they meet every year, and it's the media's fault for exposing what npi would clearly be celebrating and touting no matter if trump had lost the election?

you read this below and feel trump bears no responsibility in rebuking these fools? it's the media's fault for reporting it?

he doesn't even know who he is

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

Tapper: OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…

Trump: I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.

basically, trump wants the support of racists and neo nazis but he wants them to know that he can't hold their hands in public, it impedes the big picture.

people are saying

So people who go bankrupt are mostly responsible for the crowds on Black Friday?

pay attention, the IRS caused the crowds

Sorry but it's been used twice in this thread alone:

The phrase is "Couldn't care less" or "Can't care less". Not "Could care less" or "Can care less".

The point you're trying to make is that you CAN"T care any less, because you care so little it is impossible to care less. Saying you can care less means you care.

As for the topic at hand:

I don't really care about the name "Democrat" or "Republican". It's more about what the person believes. Lincoln may have the label of Republican, but based on his policies at the time (not just slavery) he was closer to what a "Democrat" is now. I mean the Civil War primarily focused on states rights and he fought for a strong central government (and to bring the southern states back in line).

Until a new level of inanity is breached...then you realize that at this point, after you once stated you could not care less, a new wave of despair and cynicism overtakes your soul and then you realize a new opportunity. You can care less and you might seize the opportunity to care less which gives you something to look forward to in a perverse way. Edit : changed too to to.

Starting a business in an Arab country and accepting money from people who throw gays off cliffs are two very different things.

And which newsite did you find that on?

These are a horrible people, but I do believe they don't represent the majority of Trump supporters. Most Trump people are generally good people.

That being said, I think it wouldn't be that hard for him to make a statement about it. Even a tweet would go a long way. He could make it "all encompassing" so that it would cover this one specific event but future events. I can't think of twitter-length zingers, but I'm sure he can (or one of his people).

Trying to take the middle road here.

This is a pattern with Trump, He said he didn't want to repudiate David Duke because he didn't know who he was, although he had talked in detail about the man a few months previous. The President elect needs to make it clear that white nationalism has no home in America.

Speaking of Amazon have you said those new "Dash" things where you buy something where all you do is a press a button and it reorders one specific item? Kind of ridiculous.

welcome to the internet of things

It's not just google, and it's not just the Internet...

I dont see this as a good example

In the case above, Trump go to Mexico and did soften his tone

“We had a very substantive, direct and constructive exchange of ideas over quite a period of time,” Trump said. “I was straightforward in presenting my views about the impacts of current trade and immigration policies on the United States.”

and then he did get on a plane an not 5 hours later hav.e one of his tirades about the wall ( although he says he didnt discuss the wall and Nieto claims that they did)

In that example the candidate was showing two messages at the same time

I think part of the problem with fake news is that journalism is not the cash cow that it used to be. Click bait headlines are all the rage because people make money based on the number of eyeballs/clicks not on the quality of the content. I'm pretty sure even people like Google are feeling a bit awkward right now because they know they made a lot of money off of those fake news sites and now they're wondering what they can do to keep up the revenue but also go back to truthful and quality articles.

As long as click-baiting shucksters know they can make bank by offering fake stuff, I don't think it's going to go away anytime soon unfortunately. Google will try to impose restrictions, but then they might be called Big Brother for limiting free speech. It's a very tricky issue. But I can't stand Facebook and don't see how people can use it solely as their source of news. There's no doubting that the polls were way off, but that's happened before. It was a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment for the 21st century. The economic crisis for publishing and journalism still continues, the fake news is just a symptom of that greater problem.

I would rebut that the antidote is the vilified "lying press" but that just stirs up the hornets nest around here.

If you approve of one and disapprove of the other, yes I think it's a bit hypocritical and I think it is due to one's political beliefs.

Ok

Queue the cheap fake Robert Byrd picture in the KKK robe