Rob L

Interesting response

The casting of Hamilton is intentional and fits with its production. Having a Hispanic "immigrant" Hamilton and a black Jefferson is part of the production, in my opinion. It serves a purpose.

Have you seen Matilda? I really liked that musical as well, in terms of recent productions. Tim Minchin is very clever and very funny.

Having a Black Jefferson means that his descendants through Sally Hemmings could play their grandfather

Two months ago, the top hit on a google search for oldest president at inauguration had president McCain (2009) on the list. It's probably more a symptom of what google search is and what it's designed to do. We may think of it as an informational search engine, but getting you the actual information that you are searching for is really a low priority.

My primary issue is that it appears in the "In the News" Section. and not the general search results. What is the algorithm that is establishing "In the News" and how can I tap into that with my own set of falsehoods? It seems to be a lot less work than other methods of influencing public opinion.

Shakespeare did not really shy away from using the stage for politics

1) “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” (“Hamlet”)

2) “One may smile, and smile, and be a villain.” (“Hamlet”)

3) “I am a man more sinned against than sinning.” (“King Lear”)

4) “Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under’t.” (“Macbeth”)

5) “I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.” (“Richard II”)

6) “Plain and not honest is too harsh a style.” (“Richard III”)

7) “The commonwealth is sick of their own choice.” (“Henry IV, Part II”)

8) “Virtue is choked with foul ambition.” (“Henry VI, Part II”)

9) “He doth bestride the narrow world like a Colossus, and we petty men walk under his huge legs, and peep about to find ourselves dishonorable graves.” (“Julius Caesar”)

I haven't seen anyone expressing outrage either way. A safe space? No, that's not what I'm referring to. I really have no issue with Pence being booed by the crowd, that's a normal and customary reaction. I also wouldn't have any issue with him being cheered either. My only issue is with the cast taking it upon themselves to make a spectacle of a person attending their show as a leisurely spectator for political gain. I believe this crosses a moral line. It's fine that you don't.

I accept your belief that this crosses a moral line.

I am pretty sure none of his policies have been implemented yet, and I assume you mean Trump's policies. Rant on

I have been hearing that Ford and Apple have already changed their policies based on Trumps influence

Good grief!!! I wonder how many here expressing moral outrage ever attend the theatre?? It shouldn't be a safe space!!! How ridiculous.

Pence is supporting a guy who has flirted with the idea of a Muslim registry, and has named sessions for AG. One of the lines in the show is "immigrants: we get things done" . He must be extremely naive if he thought he wouldn't get booed-he'll, he has been booed at Indiana baseball games. (NB he hasn't complained, only the vulgarian trump has).

If he wanted have a safe time, he could have seen the phantom or the lion king;) !!

I'm sure if Obama went to see a musical called "Hitler hits Vegas", he might expect a reaction.

I did google it, "Hitler hits Vegas" is not really a musical, yet

Your side lost. Move on already

The point of this article is not who won or lost. The point of this article is that fake news outpaces real news on Google Search and Facebook.

I'm sure there are shows out there where the entire POINT of the show is someone talking about their political beliefs. Don't people like Bill Maher host entire shows of just them on stage?

It all depends on what the production is. I agree that at a Circus or Ice Capades it would be a little bit unexpected since it is completely off topic. I agree that at Hamilton it was also a little bit unexpected (but I would still argue not QUITE as off topic as if it was at the circus). Now that it has happened, now we know that Hamilton is the kind of show where they will express what they believe. People can choose to continue to go to it or not.

I can think of other musicals where I think it would have been similarly "unexpected" but also not all that bad.

There was a show called Spring Awakening that was on Broadway about 8 years ago. Spoiler alert but one of the main characters dies after her mother forces her to go to an underground "doctor" for an abortion. If the cast of that show decided to stand up at the end and make a statement about laws protecting safe places for women to obtain abortions I don't think it would be "Oh my god so crazy they did that!".

Plays as a form of art often times push mesages within the productions. Some do it more explicitly than others. I think Hamilton, without them making that speech, is already clearly against some of the policies that Pence believes in. I think just watching the show it is clear. THey decided to take it one step further and be very explicitly about their belief. That's there right as artists.

I hope you are getting that list from somewhere else and not personally going through it all right now. The people who agree with you aren't going to click the links because we have seen all of it already. The people who don't agree with you won't change their mind because you make a list.

Just don't want you wasting time on this.

Yeah I copied, I cannot even type as fast as Trump can hurl insults

I'll ask you the same question: Would this be okay if President Obama was attending a play with his wife and daughters for a member of the cast to call him out publicly in front of everyone for his policies?

so if we acquiesce to the claim that they audience should feels like they are in a sanctuary and safe place, can we revisit what Donald Trump has said about folks outside of the theater?

If you head to Google to learn the final results of the presidential election, the search engine helpfully walks through the final electoral vote tallies and number of seats won by each party in the House and Senate. Under that, Google lists some related news articles. At the top this morning, with an accompanying photo: a story arguing that Donald Trump won both the popular and electoral votes.

That's not true.

The Daily Show's Dan Amira noticed that numbers were being spread on social media that linked back to the "70 News" site. The 70 News article cites its source as this tweet.

That tweet cites as its source USASupreme.com, another random website which doesn't actually include the numbers themselves. It does, however, argue that Hillary Clinton is "probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast." That distinction is ... not really clear, except that the author, "Alex," seems to believe that absentee ballots are only counted if the tally could make the difference in the election.

That's not true, either.

In light gray text above the link to 70 News, Google relays the actual current tally of counted votes: Clinton has a lead of about 700,000. That lead has grown since Election Day and will almost certainly continue to grow, since millions of the votes being counted are from California, and the plurality of those votes are from very-Clinton-friendly Los Angeles County.

The source behind the "USA Supreme" website isn't clear. It looks an awful lot like Prntly, a made-up news website we looked at earlier this year. Founded by a former convict named Alex Portelli, Prntly is part of the broad diaspora of websites that takes news about American politics, frames it in a pro-Trump way (often at the expense of accuracy) and then peppers the page with ads. In an email, Portelli denied involvement in USA Supreme, suggesting that it was the work of a group of young people in Macedonia first reported by BuzzFeed. These sites leverage the inability of Facebook and other social media sites to weed out nonsense in order to get clicks and make money from advertising -- a remarkably lucrative endeavor, particularly in a country where the U.S. dollar stretches a lot further.

Why Google includes 70 News as a news source isn't clear. Among the main categories of news stories the site lists in its header is "Hillary's Health," which links to a number of rumors about the health of the Democratic nominee. Under "Politics" is a story that, among other things, links the Council on American-Islamic Relations to Al Qaeda. Another story suggests that protestors against Trump in California were being paid to do so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/14/googles-top-news-link-for-final-election-results-goes-to-a-fake-news-site-with-false-numbers/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/21/us-markets.html

All major indexes trade at all-time highs as energy surges 2%

Is that a Satanic symbol above the bulls head?

I'm a bit libertarian minded when it comes to speech. In a public space, a person has the right to exercise speech even if it seems impolite or against 'social standard'. Is it okay in this Obama scenario you've suggested? Freedom-wise as legally protected speech? Yep it is. Even if it's bothersome and against social decorum, or rude.

Are there society consequences to such free public speech? Yes! In your description of the comedian getting 'booed' off stage for her jokes. She chose to make her speech heard, and the audience chose to make their speech heard. It was both her and their choices. The consequences of her actions resulted in the feedback she received, and she chose to run away instead of continuing her dialogue.

You'd notice the KKK is free to roam around and make their speech heard loudly, as is the Nazi party strangely enough. Free speech is how they get away with what they do, unless it resorts in violence, violation of unwanted propaganda/spam onto private property, or damage on private/public property, or violation of any public or state ordinance... then? So if such a like minded individual were to make comments in a similar approved manner (as was the Hamilton actor), without the incitement of hatred or announcements of criminal acts they would have the right to do so. No matter if it really offended you, or how offensive I would find it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.67c051f52947 https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/21/10-things-libertarians-need-to-know-abou

The WBC constantly uses 'free speech' as a way to do all sorts of very obnoxious hateful things, and continue to spew their filth. They are generally and usually allowed to do so... but the consequence to this is that usually very kind and wonderful counter-protestors show up with creative ways to keep the filth out of view.

If the cast member spoke in favor of a Nazi party, people also have the ability to decide with their money whether they wish to 'condone' that type of behavior. If done in a way not approved by the boss or against job policy, the boss also can decide to fire him. It can also work against those trying to be oh so clever too. In the middle of a production; for instance during one Chicago Hamilton play, a Trump supporter began to swear, insult, and heckle during the course of the play. His free speech I suppose, but he was removed for being disruptive, racist, indecent, and combative. He did not wait to speak his views until the end of the play, but instead decided to be a butthead about it. In contrasting that behavior, with the actor's I just can't see that he did anything relatively offensive, especially if the individual spoken to found no offense in it.

Keep in mind though I feel overall it would be wise if we as society could be a lot more kind to one another, and especially civil. Decorum can also be an equally important trait to teach our kids, and that we could speak our opinions in a more tactful way not designed to cause harm. That being said, he tone of which he spoke was not rude, the topic of the play is extremely political, and Pence was not offended. We know what person and their cronies were YUGELY offended... and a big fuss was made. He'll use anything to get attention on himself. It's going to be a 'fun' 4 years of his twitter-whining.

You are a gentlewoman and a scholar.

Let the free market of ideas speak, if you don't want to get preached at, don't go to Hamilton ( there are bazillions of folks waiting for your spot)

I wonder how much it hurts if you stick a diaper pin in your butt

get back to us on that

But it's a political topic in a political venue. Simply talking about the Nazi party does not equal hate speech. Why wouldn't it be okay?

If you still think it's a false equivalency, let's just change the players. Put Obama in that crowd and have a member of the cast call out Obama for his handling of the Trayvon Martin case or his handling of the Iraq war. Is that okay? And if it is okay, where do we draw the line?

these are legit :

" member of the cast call out Obama for his handling of the Trayvon Martin case or his handling of the Iraq war"

Hamilton the musical is a political dialogue about a certain time period in history. For members of the cast to be giving unsolicited lectures/speeches about their own personal feelings of the current president/VP elect is over the line and not what one should expect when attending this show. Let me ask you this. If a member of the cast of Hamilton chose to speak out in favor of the Nazi party, would you be okay with it? Is that the proper venue for it?

Just last week here in Boston, comedienne Wanda Sykes was booed off the TD Garden stage after making a bunch of anti Trump jokes during her routine. she was looking for a reaction, but didn't get the one she was looking for and proceeded to flip off the crowd on her way off the stage.

If a member of the cast of Hamilton chose to speak out in favor of the Nazi party, would you be okay with it? Is that the proper venue for it?

I would never tolerate hate speech and speaking in favor a National Socialism or White Nationalism would be to me , hate speech. I think this is a false equivalency.

You mean the same way Obama is when he's on the links?

If the public is on the links, yes.

Incorrect, not per terms of the settlement

as anyone seen the terms of the settlement? I only heard that there would be no admission of guilt as part of the terms.

If I were a paying customer and in that audience I would be angry and disappointed that I was subjected to a political lecture. That simply isn't the proper venue for political speeches. VP or no VP, it was wrong imo.

Hamilton the musical is a political dialogue. Why is it not the right venue for a capstone speech to the audience?

Its not like it was a lecture on top of the Lion King.

That's the thing though... when is a more appropriate place and time? I'm not saying you guys (but others), especially Trump would seem to feel that no time is an appropriate time.. and that's worrying.

Pence is collateral damage in a war of words that will not end anytime soon. It is encouraging that the VP took the time to hear a dissenting voice and it adds to my respect for him. As far a leisure time, he stepped into a public venue and he is always on the clock when he is in the public eye.

I personally am not questioning whether or not the actor had a right to do it, I believe he did. My objection is that it wasn't the right place and time to do it and I find it classless to ambush someone like that. Everyone deserves to have their leisure time, elected official or otherwise.

Would you feel differently about the speech if it was directed at the VP when he was not in the room?

Of course. How could I be so blind!!

It's of no interest that Trump's business partner Joe E B Antonio, is the Philippines new trade envoy to the US.

It is all part of the swamp draining program

 

I bet they are now really looking into it and not just talking about it.  Trump is going to be a game changer for the economy and the US workers.

I am sure the game will change, when its all done we may regret paying

Like the tax returns, we are told that these things are quite interesting and boring and we should nit worry our heads about them

There is nothing to see here

that should read quite uninteresting

Yeah, sure. Hence the token 1M fine for breaking state education laws!! Smh. The rest (25M ) will be a tax write off for the TO. How smart, conning the little folks!!!!

he paid the 25 million for the good of the country. There are 74 other outstanding civil suits..i wonder where the money to settle those will be, for the good of the country