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But he is in USA and I am not sure if USA has a separate Islamic law for Muslims. He is seeking legal advice not religious.
hi hindustani24 I THINK There is a real need among the American Muslims to develop what we call legal literacy. There is really not much knowledge among the Muslim population in the United States about the law in the United States. And as a result of that, very often unfair situations could have been avoided had the person known about American law. So I would like to sensitize you to some of the issues relating to family law and tell you what courts have said about them. Essentially these apply in some cases to males and females, not just only to females.
Divorce
For example, in the case of Aziz v. Aziz, which is a New York case in 1985, the court looked at the Islamic marriage contract as a pre-nuptial agreement. That’s fine. And then it says, can we enforce a pre-nuptial agreement in this court? The problem was that the pre-nuptial agreement here was a religious agreement, and yet the courts in the United States are secular--they’re not supposed to enforce religious agreements. So the way they handled it in New York, because they’re very familiar with the kutuba, under the Jewish law, was to say that they would enforce the secular aspects of the agreement, rather than throw out the whole agreement. So, things like mahr will be enforced in New York.
Well, let’s see what happened in another jurisdiction, in a case called Dajani v. Dajani. This is an Orange County case, 1988. In Dajani v. Dajani--this is a case of a Jordanian couple--the wife asked for divorce. We have no idea from the record why she asked for divorce. The court looked at her demand and listened to some experts, and decided that she is not entitled to her deferred dowry, mahr muta’akhir. You need to know this because, by the way, even if you’re not living in the U.S., if you go or any person to the U.S. for a few months, or permently basis there might be a jurisdictional basis for bringing a case in the United States to resolve issues of this sort. Why did the court in Orange country decide that the woman is not entitled to her mahr? Well, because they brought experts on Jordanian law and Muslim law, and we don’t know where these experts came from because, as you know, different people bring different experts. And this is what they said, I’m reading from the case itself. The court says that, based upon the testimony:
the law in existence would be that of the Jordanian or Moslem law, and it finds that if the wife initiates a termination of the relationship [if she asks for divorce], she forgoes the dowry and the court so finds that in this case the wife initiated the termination of the marriage, and common sense and wisdom of Mohamed [sic] would dictate that she forgo the dowry, unless the parties agree otherwise. . . .
This statement, by the way, jurisprudentially, is wrong. First of all, under Islamic law, it’s true that if there is no reason to ask for divorce, the wife forgoes the dowry but, for example, if her husband is harming her, there is the principle of darar (harm) which is in the jurisprudence of Muslims, and she can go and seek a judicial decree of divorce because of harm. That does not release the man from the payment of deferred dowry, or else you would be rewarding him for the darar or the harm he caused the woman. Plus, the parties cannot agree otherwise as to the basic laws of Islam. You cannot supersede Islamic law by agreement. So the court is quite confused here. The court continues:
Public policy considerations are appropriate here.
Look why--now you’ll see the understanding of the court of what an Islamic kitab is. It says:
Pre-nuptial agreements [and it considers a kitab to be a pre-nuptial agreement] which "facilitate divorce or separation by providing for a settlement only in the event of such an occurrence are void as against public policy."
In other words, if you have an agreement that encourages you to divorce, that’s against public policy. The court says that a kitab, an Islamic marriage contract, encourages the woman to divorce. Why? Because that kitab says that if she divorces, she will get money. So, in other words, to get money, she will be motivated to divorce. I would argue that by their logic, a kitab also encourages a woman to commit murder, because she will also get money upon the death of her husband (if she is not discovered). This is ridiculous. But that is exactly what the court says. I’m reading from the court opinion:
Jordanian marriage contract must be considered as one designed to facilitate divorce. . . wife was not entitled to receive any of the agreed-upon sum unless the marriage was dissolved or husband died.
This is profiteering by divorce, the court says, and therefore we will not allow it. And the wife lost her dowry. And we don’t even have an idea, maybe she was entitled to it under Islamic law, but the court did not reach that level of sophistication in its analysis. Muslims ought to start engaging in legal education of the court system in the United States, about Islamic law and the personal status codes of Muslim countries, because we’re getting very weird results.
Mahr--it’s like a diamond ring. It’s a gift to show the intentions of the man towards the woman. Even ancient jurists explained it this way--this is not a new feminist way of looking at it. That’s how Islam always regarded it. Islam never looked at the wife as something that you can buy or sell.
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But he is in USA and I am not sure if USA has a separate Islamic law for Muslims. He is seeking legal advice not religious.
hi hindustani 24 and this details is for primerosepk about your divorce case you can cotact usa There are Muslim scholars in USA who have authority to grant a divorce to a Muslim couple. Divorce granted by them will be Islamically legal. You can find such authorized Muslims through Islamic Society of North Amricas. Following is the address of the headquarters of ISNA in Indiana:
contact isna indiana
:Mailing address
Islamic Society of North America(ISNA)
P.O. Box 38
Plainfield, IN 46168, USA
Shipping Address:
ISNA Office for Interfaith and Community Alliances(IOICA)
110 Maryland Avenue Ne, Suite # 304
Washington, DC 20002
Phone & Fax:
Phone: (317) 839-8157
Fax: (317) 839-1840
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well, about islamic divorce procedure is not as mentioned above,once you divorce your wife even if it is three times verbally, it will still be count as one divorce and than you have to wait till three periods of women to give her another and same applies for third one so isalmic divorce takes about more than six months to become active and husband if and wife contact inbetween this and dicides to live together it becomes inactive.So in Islam there is time to think and divorce is a serious matter and it cannot happen in three words in 3 seconds .Hopefully it will clear you by religion,however i have no knowledge how it works according to state law.
hi nuni i think i will explain in details Dear brother in Islam, we commend your keenness on getting your self well-acquainted with Islam and its teachings, which is the way Allah god has chosen for the welfare of His servants.
We must state clearly that divorce in Islam is the most abhorrent of all permitted things, and, as such, it must be resorted to only in extreme cases of necessity, and that too following certain stringent procedures and conditions. Among such procedures and conditions is: One must resort to divorce only after having exhausted all efforts of proper reconciliation and mediation. If, all efforts fail, while pronouncing divorce, one must be in a sober state of mind, and having clear intention to divorce. Just as marriage in Islam is contracted in a sober state of mind, and with clear intention, divorce must also be made in the same way.
In your answer to the question in point,Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:
"Divorce is the most hateful thing to Allah, but it is allowed (halal) only in the case of absolute necessity. If a couple tried their best to reconcile their differences, but they still could not agree and they found impossible to live with each other, then only in that case they should separate in a proper and decent manner. Divorce can be initiated by the husband or by the wife. The husband has the right to pronounce the words of divorce (talaq) to his wife. He can also give her a statement of divorce in writing. The wife can seek divorce from her husband throughkhul`, but if he refuses to grant her request then she can seek the dissolution of marriage through the court of law. The Shari`ah has not given the right to a woman to divorce her husband, because only the husband has all the financial obligations of the family. After divorce he will be responsible to provide her maintenance during her`iddahand if there are any children in the family then he will be responsible for their expenses. Thus to grant her that right equally with the husband while she has no financial obligation is unfair and unjust. The wife can, however, divorce her husband if her husband gave her that right either at the time of marriage or afterwards.
A husband who wants to divorce his wife should use the words of divorce with full awareness after much thinking and consideration. Using the words of divorce in haste or anger is not right. The proper procedure is to give divorce when a woman is not pregnant and is not going through her monthly menstrual cycle. Divorce can take place by saying one time "I have divorced you" (talluqtuki) or "You are divorced" (anti taliq). After this the women should spend the time of her`iddah. During the period of`iddahthe husband can cancel his divorce and can resume the matrimonial relationship, but if it does not happen then the divorce takes effect and at the end of the`iddahperiod their marriage ends. There is no need to repeat the words of divorce more than once. Even one divorce is sufficient to terminate the relationship.
The provision of the second and third divorce is given for a husband who divorces his wife one time and then cancels his divorce, but then after sometime changes his mind and divorces her again second time. Then he changes his mind and resumes the relationship and then again after that he divorces her. The Shari`ah says that now this relationship should end. Marriage is a serious matter. One cannot keep divorcing one's wife and returning her back. After the third divorce he cannot take her back. The third divorce is called the "irrevocable divorce" (talaq mughallaz). The wife now becomes forbidden to her husband completely. She cannot go back to this husband who has divorced her three times, unless she marries another person who out of his own free will divorces her and then after the`iddahshe and her previous husband want to remarry. This is calledhalalahin the language of the Shari`ah. This rule is given by the Shari'ah to reduce the occurrence of three divorces and to protect the honor of the woman.
Some people misuse this procedure out of ignorance or willingly. There are some people who think that the divorce (talaq) would not happen unless one makes the statement three times. There are others who repeat the words of divorce for emphasis and have no idea that this could be very serious. The jurists (fuqaha') have discussed this issue for the last fourteen hundred years. There were some jurists who took the strict position that three divorces whether uttered at once or separately would be considered as three divorces. According to them, whether a person misused this right knowingly or unknowingly the affect would be the same. If some one uttered the words of divorce three times, then this would betalaq mughallazand his wife would become totally forbidden for him and they could not reconcile without ahalalah. There are, however, some other jurists who emphasize the role of will in marriage and divorce. They say that if the husband used three divorces intentionally as three, then they will be counted as three, but if he repeated the words in anger or to emphasize his point then this is one divorce and he will have the right to resume the relationship with his wife. I feel that the second position is closer to the spirit of the Shari`ah. I am pleased to see that there are now some Hanafi jurists also who are inclined to this position. There were fatwas issued to this effect by the `Ulama' of Deoband and Nadwa in India as well the `Ulama in Saudi Arabia.
The issue of a divorce given in anger is also important. The basic rule is that divorce must be uttered with full consciousness and without any coercion. If a person pronounced the words of divorce to his wife, in a fit of anger, while he lost all control over himself or due to the influence of intoxicants which he sinfully consumed, or he was forced by someone else to do so, then in all these cases his words of divorce are null and void and have no effect. In conclusion, let me say that Muslims must protect their family life and must avoid divorce as much as possible. If it becomes necessary to have divorce then use the Islamic methods and procedures.
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WoW ... You have me totally confused !! What do you mean " Our case category is different" ? He has a IR1, and you mentioned "change of religion category" He has not changed his religion thou I did. But I don't see how that would have any impact on his AP. Maybe I've over looked sum important info, but this is the first I've heard about what your talking about. Please enlightening me !
hi muhammad and marram iam not talking about cr1 and ir1 category i know your husband category is ir1 iam talking about type of AP investigation category after 911 usa goverment lot of changing in immigration laws and this type of law usa goverment cannot issue publicly and you cannot find this type of law in old edition of usa immigration law book because after minor changing in us immigration law us goverment cannot release new us edition law book and immigration authority use this laws secretly because this type of law use only for muslim country and i mention in my post this AP investigation for both person petationer and benifecery and as you mention in your post you convert in islam that why you and your husband AP investigation is different or in other words they investigate your husband in different angle different angle mean there is a lot of factor involve in benifecery and petationer case number 1 religion factor no 2 benifecery whole life history or back ground check or name check no 3 benifecery relation with other country or any relation with some kind of criminal or terrorist group or not no3 why petationer convert in islam or why benifecery convert petationer in islam what cause behind this change of religion or this cause is only for personal use or this cause use against the usa there is a lot of reasons behind iam sorry i cannot tell you but you force me to tell that why i tell you but this is the reality
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Hey guys .
i have a problem my wife file divorce and it was final and judge sign pepers and said we are divorced now.
but after then my wife and me felt we did wrong.can we still cancel divorce or we have to remarry???
hi primerosepk as you mention in your time line your name is muslim and you and your wife belong to pakistan and you and your wife belong to islam and as a islamic and muslim law your wife canot give you a divorce only husband use divorce authority if husband verbaly say to his wife word of talak (divorce) verbaly say 3 time then divorce is permentely happen so in that case as a muslim and islamic law says you have no permission to live with your wife again and you have no permission to remarry your wife again untill your wife cannot do( halala ) yes only one condition you marry with your wife again if husband say to his wife word of talak (divorce) verbaly say 1 time or 2 time so only in that case islamic law give permission that husband and wife have a permission to marry again
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They took my husbands passport, after the interview. Which was back in January and we're still waiting ! I'm assuming it's his name that is causing the longggg delay !
hi muhammad and maryam as my knowledge of experience your husband case is different and special compare to other AP visa wating members because your case category is different than other your case category is change of religion category and there is a lot of other factor involve in your case and this type of case have a different process which mean every single process take extra time and i think your husband AP normal 6 to 8 month process time is complete as my knowledge of experience your husband is now last category process stage which mean USCIS DOS AND NVC every 6 month arrange secret meeting this meeting purpose discuss only religion type of cases this meeting decide they satisfy with beneficery and petationer case or not if they satisfy both petationer and benifecery case they issue him a usa visa if in case officer can not satisfy with both case it will take more extra month or time
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they did take his passport after the interview. so how long will it take??
no one can predict how long it will take but i will guess it will take another 2 to 3 month and you will hear good news soon and please pray for me iam also wating for my noa2
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people who've been through administrative processing, how long does it take after the interview to get the passport??? people who've had interviews recently at islamabad, pakistan. can anyone suggest me?? i call the DOS # almost every week and they tell me it's pending.. it's been over a month
hi muskan as you know this is the game of lucky and unlucky because 1 out of 99 percent males is going for AP i dont know embassy take your husband passport or not if they dont take your husband passport its not a good sign because when your husband AP is complete and embassy request for your husband passport it will take another extra 1 month or 45 days to recieved visa with passport and this is normal
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Hello all,
I am new to this forum I need your help with something. I got the following message from USCIS for the I-130 petition I submitted for my wife who is never been in the states;
"On February 4, 2010, we transferred this case to our NEWARK, NJ location to conduct the interview that is a standard part of processing this I130 IMMIGRANT PETITION FOR RELATIVE, FIANCE(E), OR ORPHAN. You will be sent a notice when the interview is scheduled, or if the office needs something from you"
Don't they suppose to send this to NVC instead of Newark?? Is this a normal procedure and what interview they are talking about? My wife is in Turkey waiting for the approval.
Thanks in advance for your help.
hi yasarm its mean usics approved your i-130 petation and issue you a noa2 but at this time uscis cannot intersted to transfer your case to nvc for further process because according to reliable sources some few month uscis have a lot of goverment pressure that uscis use is old immigration law continue which mean USCIS INTERVIEW WITH US CITIZEN OR PETATIONER because uscis ignore this immigration law so many time and lot of time and cannot use properly to every us citizen or petationer but some few month some us goverment person give advice to uscis that you can use this law 100 out of 40 us citizen or petationer if uscis have a minor doubt about that us citizen or petationer or if that petationer or us citizen belong to any doubt ful country or any high fraud country so that why uscis cannot transfer your case to nvc untill uscis cannot satisfy with petationer interview and when uscis satisfy with petationer interview then transfer petationer case to nvc SO MY ADVISE IS FOR YOU BEFORE YOUR INTERVIEW COLLECT ALL EVIDENCE AND PROOF REMEMBER ALL PROOF IS IN ORIGINAL SHAPE
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i was to write 3/9/2010 thanks for notice of action 1
hi omo thanks for correcting and rewrite your time line so in that scnerio your 6 month is over no one can predict and it is very difficult to say when petationer interview is scheduled with uscis because iam also wating for my noa2 but i will guess because in my opnion this is the game of luck and bad luck if you are so lucky i think your interview scheduled with uscis 1 or 2 month but before your interview beprepared and get ready collect your evidence and proof
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thanks alot am working on that right now but do you have an idear of how long it will take for the me to get the interview date or if their is a way i can make the process go faster, yesterday it shows my case was updated do you know if that is any promiseing news. thanks
hi omo i saw your time line i think your time line is not correct there is a huge difference between your send date and noa1 date i think you can recheck your notice of action reciept again if you check your noa1 reciept you found there is two type of date number 1 recieved date its mean when uscis recieved your i-130 packaqge and number 2 notice date which mean when uscis convert your i-130 document in to official document and issue you a notice date this date is actual your notice of action date and your question about your interview with uscis its completely depend on your notice date as you mention in your time line is 9 sep 2010 if we consider this time line so you are in starting stage and your 5 to 6 month is not over yet because uscis normal process 5 to 6 month or more most of cases uscis approved i-130 after 5 to 6 month and issue noa2 notice of action2
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yes i just did my fingerprint on the 7th of september and i am waiting for interview letter, the age difference is 10yr but for real he is older than me for realy mix up when i was coming to the united state, yes we tried for a visitors visa when we just meet but it was denied. we meet ave me through my mom she was critically ill and he was her doctor so she gave me his number and gave him my number, and we staeted talking but she died a month later and we meet during her funeral and got married 2yrs later. thanks i realy appriciate the help.
hi omo as i mention in my other post that petationer interview with uscis if you passed this interview then uscis approved your i-130 and issue you a noa2 and then transfer your case to nvc when you go for your interview collect lot of proof and evidence like honey moon picture your marriage picture with you and your husband parents travel reciept by bus or train or air plane to your husband home country and chatting record skypee call record land line phone bill record mobile phone bills if you shopping with your husband to credit card or cash collect reciept petationer air plane trip record your marriage invitation card hotel and restaurant bills money gram and westeran union reciept joint bank account with your husband insurance policy with your husband remember all record in original shape
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please can you update if you got the interview i am in same boat same email and the case was touch today what does this mean i am going crazy i ant even eat i just find my self crying all the time pls help
hi omo first iam well come you to visa journey forum secondly you are refer very old post i think your status is aos i dont know what is your satus if your status is cr1 if you got same letter by email if you are petationer its mean who is usa citizen then petationer noa1 interview with uscis if uscis immigiration officer satify with petationer interview then uscis approved petationer i-130 and then issue noa2 and then transfer petationer case to national visa center (nvc) for further process and please update your time line
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Mustafa - One of the first things my husband asked the interviewing CO, was that he preferred the interview to be given in Arabic, if possible. When the CO heard this, she got mad with him and told him "NO. The interview will be done only in English because if you can communicate in English with your wife, then you will communicate in English to me." She was very short with him! She made no attempt, to even slow her speech a little even when he asked her to. Had that been me, I would not wait for an interviewee to even ask me to slow my speech down. I have enough common sense to know that any person who's first language is not English & has expressed his concern to me over his limited English skills to begin with...I try to assist in the best way possible. But that is just me, I understand not everyone will be willing to go out of their way to help someone who is trying to immigrate to the US.
And so you will know, my husband has enrolled himself at the University and is taking an extensive Conversational English course, to prepare for a possible 2nd interview - "Insha Allah". Also, in the one year that my husband & I took to get to know one another, we discussed our lives often, our backgrounds, our cultures. I don't know what you think we talked about or discussed but believe me, I did everything to learn all that I could about him and his life, family, culture, religion, beliefs...but no one is perfect. Even I that have a great memory, sometimes forget some details as I am sure the CO's themselves do as well. All I am saying, is that CO's need to remember that we are all human, no perfect and so that if a person who is being interviewed may answer a question about their spouse, it does not mean the marriage is a fraud. My biggest mistake, was believing that I did not need to be present with my husband at his interview. Boy was I wrong! But I assure you, I will not leave him alone again! I will be right there to support him in the interviewing process.
I believe ALL people, from ALL nations, should always be treated with dignity and respect...unless they themselves do not respect me.
Thank you.
Lizz&Mohamed
hi Lizz&Mohamed as you mention and explain in your post that consular officer take your husband interview without give any select choice of language offer to take your husband interview by force threatning your husband and give unnecessary presure and mentally toucher and unnecessary bond to your husband that you marry to a usa citizen that why you are completely bond to give interview only in english which is completely against the law immigration rules and regulation as my knowledge of experince consular officer cannot bond to any one for any resons and this lady consular officer violate the usa immigration law because consular officer have no right to give any threat to any kind of unnecessary presure to any person who comming for visa interview its totally illegal to give any sort of threat or any kind of mentally presure because consular officer cannot bond to any person that you obey follow the consular officer own rules this is completely illegal and criminal act so in that scnerio if you look over your case now you have a strong point in your hand and you can take action against the consular officer so immidetely hire a lawer discuss with your lawer how you can lawsuit or case in court against the consular officer if you make your case in better shape the case go to you and your husband favour and write a letter senator or congressman that she can take your husband interview in english by force refuse to give any language choice offer and she is also threatning and mentallyt toucher to my husband that he is bond to give interview in english and my husband already told that he is not fulent in english and he is enable to explain any type of answer to consular officer question because lack of or littell english please give me justification and explaination if consular officer take my husband interview in arabic language he is in good and comfortable position to give answer any type of question or cross questioning if you look my case in usa law and justification point of view my husband is completely inocent and all blame goes to consular officer because he is fully responsible for my husband visa denied and in my opnion my husband interview have no worth or value because this interview is taking in the way of breaking the usa immigration law .
SO LIZZ&MUHAMMAD AS MY KNOWLEDGE OF EXPERENCE USA IMMIGRATION LAW CANNOT BOND ANY PERSON TO GIVE ANY TYPE OF VISA INTERVIEW IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE BECAUSE THERE IS A THOUSAND OF MAN AND WOMEN WHO MARRY TO A USA CITIZEN AND THE MAJORITY OF THE COUPLE WHO DONT KNOW A SINGLE WORDS OF ENGLISH AND EVEN CANNOT WRITE READ AND SPEAK ENGLISH AND IF YOU LOOK IN AMERICA THE MOST MAJORITY OF CITIZEN CANNOT COMMUNICATE OR TALK PROPER ENGLISH
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Thank you for your response but I disagree with your opinion of my & my husband's relationship/marriage. First of all, I don't know where you get the impression that my husband & I never talk or tried to get to know each other. Yes, we both fell in love but I also waited 1year before i married my husband for that reason alone. I wanted to take time to get to know all about him and his family. And with all due respect to you, you were not there at the interview to witness how the CO, who by the way are human and perhaps when they are having a bad day at work they can sometimes take it out on the visa applicants. They may not mean to do it but it happens and for you to say that they are not wrong and that they are doing only their job...I am sorry you are blinded. There is such a thing as discrimination and people having bad days at work...I see it all the time even in my line of work. I also have family who works for immigration & both of my cousins tell me all the time of some injustices that have taken place against immigrants. Again, I am not saying ALL CO's are guilty of this but I just want you to know that it is possible that either they have bad days and/or just discriminated on certain aspects of our case. One important thing some CO's or any person for that matter that may deal with an immigrant who is not fluent in English, without any professional training and/or patience, will easily get frustrated with the person who cannot communicate well in English. My husband asked her if she could slow her speech a little so that he can understand her questions better and she did not. Instead her response was "no if you can communicate with your wife in English then you will communicate just fine in English with me". My husband was already nervous to begin with being alone without me and in the US Embassy and to add a CO who was a bit upset and intimidating by the way she communicated with my husband...so of course my husband got confused in answering some of the questions. But this does not mean that My husband did know enough about me. My birthday for one is one of the first things he learned about me and I about him. His only mistake was giving my birthday in the Arab format. He did answer one question wrong, but even if I had married an American Citizen, it does not mean that I would of discussed every major event in my life, with every single detail. That's not reality. And these CO's have been known to find any litlle excuse to reject and visa & return it back to USCIS for a possible denial, which I am sure they are hoping they will do with my case. So to answer your question, yes the CO's have every right to ask their questions. All I am saying is that, they can also be fair, understanding and accomodating and most important treat people with respect. For example, when my husband tried to answer her questions clearly for her to understand him, she would cut him off and not allow him the opportunity to explain himself! People deserve to be treated with respect and in a professional manner. Not be talked down to and be intimidated.
Now from personal experience at the US Embassy in Cairo, I can testify to the treatment I received as an American Citizen when I went to register my marriage. The way they spoke to me, both an american and an egyptian employee...it was sad to see. They spoke to me in a manner which made them totally unprofessional. They were upset that I was there to register my marriage. The American even tried to convince me not to do it, not to register my marriage with them! She tried to tell me how Egyptian men have been known to marry for personal gain, for the greencard. She even told me that I could be in danger, physically & asked me if I had registered my trip with them. Though, I understood and respect their safety concern...for them to try to make me feel uncomfortable for trying to registrer my marriage to an Egyptian citizen, I did not appreciate that & feel they have no right in deciding or trying to influence the decision of who I fell in love with and chose to marry.
And while I respect your opinion, I will continue to believe in my husband...I can tell you that my family who are Immigrants from Mexico have experienced discrimination going through the Immigration Process. These officers are human and some are influenced by what the media portrays about any particular ethnic race. Like the negative stereotype of Egyptian men marrying foreigners only for the greencard. We should all be judged on our personal merits/accomplishments and actionsnot by ignorant stereotypes! We should all be given a fair opportunity to apply for a visa, be given a chance to be interviewed (as I volunteered myself and my children for them to see the legitimacy of our union/marriage) and simply treated like decent human beings, with respect and professionalism.
Again, thank you for your response & forgive if I may be coming across harshly but I believe you have misunderstood our case.
Respectfullly,
Lizz&Mohamed
hi Lizz&Mohamed iam not blaming you and my purpose is not heart your feeling iam only telling you reality of your case and your answer create lot of question if you fell in love with your husband before marriage and i think 1 year is a lot of time to know each other there is a lot of way to commicate to talk each other and know about each other
question no 2 as you say in your post that your husband not fulent in english and before your husband interview and as you say in your post you know your husband very well so why you dont tell your husband every embassy have a option to select their choice of language let suppose for example you forget about that option and you are not aware of that so at that time of before your husband interview when usa embassy officer ask your husband select your choice of language and also your husband very well know about him self that he is not fulent in english so why your husband cannot choose other language option here is the question mark and soon inshallaha when your husband going for his second interview and your husband blaming to consular officer that consular officer talk me or speech very fast english and iam trying to say lot of time to consular officer please dont speech so fast please speech slowly if you speak in slow pace i can better understand your question but consular officer cannot coperate me and consulr officer say to your husband in 2 interview if you not confortable or fulent in english why you choose english language so here is a another question mark
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Hello Jane,
Thank you for responding, now I know that there are quite a few of us out there in the same boat.
I have been checking our case via USCIS website & see that they are touching it monthly, last touch was August 31, 2010. It is my hope that by the 180 days (Sept. 13th), I will have some sort of decision and/or NOIR/NOID. When I received NOA from USCIS that they were in receipt of our case as of April 13th, I immediately began putting a new supporting evidence package that was mailed off the first week in June. It included flight info from my last trip to Egypt (April 2010) with my children, pictures of my husband with my children, neice & all of his family, months worth of emails, chat logs, & cell phone bills detailing the multiple, daily calls. When I called USCIS & informed them of me doing this, the representative told me that I shouldn't have done that because there is no guarantee that my package would even get attached to the paperwork/case. I told her, I did not want to risk them making a final decision without considering our new information. I unfortunately cannot add my husband to my insurance because they need him to be here/present & have no joint accounts because I imagine he would have to be present to be added as well.
I will start to print out more emails, chat logs, call logs from skype & yahoo messenger, my cell & our paperwork on packages that we send to each other ocassionally, so that I can be ready for their request. I have however, even read some postings here where some people's cases were re-affirmed without even being request a single document...Go figure. It's crazy how that works out right? Some are put through the ringer & others are so lucky....
Please keep me updated on your case & if there are any other things you can think of that will help me, please do not hesitate to share.
Lizz&Mohamed
hi Lizz&Mohamed i told you in my last previous post the mistake is in your side iam sorry to say that but this is the ground reality but i think you are not facing and excepting that you are responsible for your husband visa denied because the communication gap between you and your husband and this is also the reality that uscis or nvc and consular officer is not the responsible for your husband visa denied again iam sorry to say that but this is true because consular officer do that job because consular officer bond to ask these type of or any type of question and obey the rules and regulation about usa immigration in other words consular officer have nothing personal this is the part of his duty i know you dont understand what iam trying to say but i think i will give you example in the way of common sense let suppose iam a consular officer and i ask you a question please give me answer but first i ask you a question please read my example story then i ask you a question
here is the example let suppose for example one lady whos name is sara going for a goverment office for personal resons or work suddenly at that time sara saw a man who working on a front desk and suddenly sara like that man and when sara return home sara cannot eat well sara cannot sleep well sara cannot concentrate on her job because in that momement when first time sara saw that man sara is in love and every time sara think about that man who is that guy what is his name what designation he hold or working is he married or is he single how old he is because sara is so exiceted about that guy and trying to know each and every minute of his life and every time she think about that guy and every single day trying to making a plan to meet that guy because she is in deeply in love . so here is my question sara is a alien women she never ever meet or talk that guy in her whole life but because of sudden love of sara she trying to know each and every think about that guy so please give me answer if sara marry that guy and after marriage when sara going for is cr1 interview counsular officer have a fully right to ask sara about her husband what he do where he stay or which city he move ext ext because consular officer know this marriage is base and stand on a true love and this couple know each and every thing about each other so please give me answer in that case or scnerio consular officer have a right to ask these type of question or not give me answer ? ? ? ?
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Mustafa, that's the cover letter from my wiki page
"How to bring your spouse from Loto"
Loto
hi Lotopatience i know you are the creater of this wiki page i only copy and paste because if i give answer about ds230 its take to much time thanks for your wiki page
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Well the i 864 is off and the assignment of me on the ds3032 is done. We are now working on the ds 230....very confusing to me.
She fills out the ds 230 and mails to me and I submit........right?
Then I mail to the NVC.........right?
What are the original documents that need to be submitted with this???????
Someone told me She needs her moms birth certificate??????? Her father is deceased.
Her interview will be in Manila.
Are there any documents of mine that need to go with the packet?
Do I have to have an interview also here in the states?
thanks everyone...wish us luck
hi celebilly
Attachment 4 – DS-230 Cover Sheet
Delete items that don't apply to your case
Month Day, Year
National Visa Center
ATTN: CMR
32 Rochester Avenue
Portsmouth, NH 03801-2909
Subject: DS-230 Immigrant Visa Application for my spouse <Beneficiary’s full name>
NVC Case#: ####
Beneficiary Name: ####
Beneficiary DOB: MM/DD/YYYY
I-130 Receipt Notice#: ####
Dear Sir/Madam:
I, <Petitioner’s Full Name>, a citizen of the United States, acting as the Agent of this petition, would like to file the Immigrant Visa Application DS-230 completed by my spouse <Beneficiary’s full name>, who is the beneficiary of the immediate relative petition I-130 filed by me at <Service Center>. My spouse is the intending immigrant to the United States.
Please find enclosed the following documents:
- Bar-coded cover sheet
- 2 Passport-sized photographs of the beneficiary
- Completed and signed form DS-230, Part 1, by the beneficiary
- Completed and unsigned form DS-230, Part 2
- Photocopy of the biographic data page of the beneficiary's passport
- Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary
- Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner
- Certified divorce decree or death certificate for beneficiary's prior marriage(s)
- Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary
- Original military certificate of the beneficiary
Also enclosed are photocopies of the following documents:
- Photocopy of the biographic data page of the beneficiary's passport
- Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary
- Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner
- Certified divorce decree or death certificate for beneficiary's prior marriage(s)
- Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary
- Original military certificate of the beneficiary
I kindly request you to process this Immigrant Visa Application as soon as possible and forward to <Beneficiary’s interview consulate>.
If you have any questions or concerns on the above matter, please do not hesitate to contact me at (NNN) NNN-NNNN or at the address below.
Thank you,
<Petitioner’s Signature>
<Petitioner’s Full name>
<Petitioner’s SSN>
<Petitioner’s Address>
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Hi! My boyfriend and I have been together for 4 years. We both recently passed the NCLEX (California license).
He has been a green card holder since 2005 and we're asking for your help.
We want the fastest way to be together soon. He has been away for almost 2 years now. He's planning on visiting next year.
Questions:
Can he, as a PERMANENT resident and not yet a citizen petition me if we get married when he comes for a visit next year?
If YES, How long will I have to wait for my visa?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THOSE WHO WILL REPLY.
hi hopeful_usm after 5 year your boy friend is eligible to apply for his citizenship and i think next year your boy friend got his citizenship certificate and usa passport
in other hand your boyfriend also filed cr1 visa petation for you after marriage as a legal perment resident or green card holder and when he got his citizenship he can upgrade your cr1 visa petation as a usa citizen the whole process will take minimum 8 to 10 month and maxmimum 11 to 18 month or more
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HELLO VJ,
An update on our case: My husband's visa was denied by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt because the interviewer felt in her opinion that my husband did not know enough about me. For one, he answered by birthdate with the Egyptian format and he did not know enough about my short stay in a different state. I did not share so much about this part of my life with him only because it is when I ended my relationship with my childrens father & my younger sister passing away. It was a horrible time in my life & I chose to just try to forget it. Because of this mistake however, my husband did not answer an question correctly & his visa was denied on the spot. When I tried to obtain information from the Embassy on this, of course my email went unanswered and my calls were not successful either. They could not give me the exact reason for the denial. At this point, I contact my CONGRESSWOMAN's office & got them involved! It is amazing, that as soon as the Embassy in Cairo received a formal request/inquiry into our case the Embassy sent them a letter with the reasons why he was denied. One point was the fact he did not answer if I worked during my brief stay in the other state & that he did not know how long I lived in my current apartment...When I mentioned this to my husband he swore to God/ALLAH & promised me that he was NEVER, NEVER asked about the length of stay in my current apartment but did admit he did not answer the one question about my employment status in this other state I lived in. He did state that she addressed heavily our age difference and how his family felt about that. He fully explained that his family is fully supportive of our marriage even with a 10year age difference and how he looks much older than his true age as I look much younger than mine...but in the end, her reason for the denial was that he did not know enough about me. Never even mentioning our age difference. Anyway, the case gets kicked back to the United States, USCIS, Calfironia Center for further review. My husband did tell me that when he was waiting for his interview that there was a couple there for their interview with a noticeable age difference: the American wife in her 50's and the Egyptian husband in his early, early 20's. Their visa was approved on the spot. Is it because he was a Christian Egyptian perhaps and not Muslim? Was it because she accompanied him on the interview and my husband was alone? I would hate to think that a visa can be denied on an age or religious discrimination but I don't know what to think at this point. It is my hope of course that I am completely wrong about this...
Now, USCIS received the file back on April 13, 2010 & since then, I have check my case status online on a daily basis with no result. I have placed a few calls and have spoken to USCIS representatives that have informed me that they have up to 6months, 180 days for them to make the final decision on our case and for me to be patient, stop calling them and wait for their result/answer in the mail. I asked if I could submit new supporting evidence in the meantime, that they can add to our file and they said NO. That they do not recommend that I do this because they cannot guarantee the evidence will even get attached to the file. Well needless to say, I sent in new supporting evidence anyway!!! I attached their I-797 Notice of Action letter, a cover letter explaining to them my family's emotinal distress because my husband is not with us, I also attached my last trip back to Egypt in April 2010 paperwork. I took my children and a niece and took daily pictures of our 21day stay there, phone logs from our multiple, daily calls between my husband and I and the most up to date email messages...I sent enough for USCIS to see that there is an ongoing marriage/relationship between my husband and my family/children and his family back in Egypt. After doing so, I called them again and asked if they could tell me if my evidence made it in and attached to my case and their answer was again, that they have no way of knowing these things and told me that they had not asked for any information and asked why I did this...I was appauled and told them of the emotinal distress I and my children are experiencing not having my husband with us and not knowing that they have our fate in their hands. That it is our wish for them to consider the new supporting evidence and even consider talking to me and my children before they make a final decision that can potentially destroy my family. She tried to calm me down and told me that their current processing time is 120 days & that I may possibly know the final decision about my husband's case by August 13th, to be patient and wait until then before placing another call. At this point, I contacted my Congresswoman's office again and updated them on the case as they asked me to do. When I did this, she told me that they had heard from the State Dept. and that they told them the original reason for denial of the visa was due to me filing the wrong visa for him...how can this be a wrong visa? I first started a K-3 Visa process but later changed it to a CR-1 Visa that I was told I could do? State Dept. also told them that they did not have our case & for them to contact USCIS but when when calls USCIS for a case status, they refer her to State Dept.??? This is crazy!
My question is now, do I sit tight and wait for USCIS to contact me or do I continue to be actively involved in the case and risk upsetting USCIS with my constant phone calls? I am so upset because I don't have my husband yet...I am a nervous wreck because my family's fate is in their hands and I am scared to death that they will deny our case once again. Has anyone experience this? Please forgive me if I may sound a bit irrational but time is clicking away on our case and I am only worried that my family will face another disappointment...I am an American Citizen, who fell in love and married an Egyptian/Muslim man, who happens to love me and my children dearly. His family has met all of us and welcomed us into their family...We just want to be given our right to be together as a family...Any suggestions and comments are welcomed. I need all the help and support possible.
Thank you for hearing my case out and look forward to any sign of hope...
Sincerely,
Lizz&Mohamed
hi Lizz&Mohamed first of all iam sorry for your husban visa denied dont worry every thing is going to be normal again inshallaha and please dont panic and dont hurry up every thing done its own right time wait for right time your case is so simple and easy your husband case is only number of evidence and proof and your husband is going for his second interview soon inshallaha so beprepared and ready for your husband second interview in your husband visa cr1 interview case the mistake is in your side first of all write a letter to uscis nvc and dos which is something like that for example iam the petationer of my husband benifecery iam the responsible of my husband visa denied because of my previous marriage life and my personal family matter at that time iam so depress and a lot of tention in my mind about my previous past marriage at that time i dont share my story of my past life with my husband because it is horrible at that time i dont want that my husband involve in my past previous life because iam trying to forget my whole horrible past previous life because of my depression and deep tention so in that situtation my husband is inocent because he is completely blind of my past life so iam request you to please consider my husband visa cr1 petation on humanity ground
if you go to your doctor weekely or monthly basic for your routine check up take a report to your doctor about your depression and tention for example doctor write a report on hospital or clinic letter head she is my regular routine patient at that time she is so depress or in deep tention her conditition is mentally and physically so bad at that time her decision making power is not in her control or she is not able to make any right decision it completely up to doctor or she mentally disturb what ever your condition is that time if doctor give you that report this report is a rock solid proof and evidence for your husband cr1 visa case send a letter and doctor report to uscis nvc and dos with complete details
this letter is necessary because consular officer thought the mistake is in your husband side and he is responsible of visa denied and your husband interview is a negtive effect of your husband cr1 case because some time consular officer thought this marriage is only purpose for green card or this is temparry agreement based marriage
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WOW CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Wife had her interview on May 7th, 2010 at Islamabad, Pakistan
At the end of the interview she received a "green" color paper stating that temporarily refused for administrative processing.
I have been calling Dept. of State (DOS) almost every single day and every time I called they said, the case Is still under administrative processed.
So today I called again and they said that "AP" has been completed….WOW!!!!..When I heard that my hears could not believe this so I had the operator over the phone check with someone else and they both confirmed that "AP" is complete and they said "congratulations" and they said don't get too excited and don't buy the tickets yet until your wife has received the visa in her hand…
So does this mean that her "AP" is over and now she will be issued the visa??? My Wife was in "AP" since May 7th, 2010 ….I'm very happy but also a bit concerned because I want to know that once the "AP" is complete like they say it is, what happens next?...will they issue the visa now?....
I must say that I called DOS (Dept. of State) almost every single day since May 7th, 2010 and every single time I would call they would say, "It's still under administrative processing" and when she said, "It's completed", OMG (OH MY GOD) I swear my ears couldn't believe this….
I would appreciate if someone can give me her insight on what does this mean and what happens next?
Thanks again!
hi aali it mean that your wife ap is complete and green signal is ready to blink so its mean that DOS have no further issue for your wife ap DOS is satisfy for your wife evidence and proof AND husband and wife relationship and also DOS is satisfy for you and your wife back ground and name check and now is time for final decision making DOS taking few days OR few week for final decision making and after few days or week they call to your wife pleasse pick passport and visa so congrulation in advance
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I am glad to see that no one here was personally affected. What a terrible wreck. My prayers go out to all of the families affected by this crash.
hi teyavelentina iam sorry to say that one person who is pakistan citizen and he belong to city of karachi going to islamabad usa embassy with his usa ciitizen wife going for is cr1 visa interview he and his usa citizen wife passenger of airblue crash plane This is horrible horrible news.for me May Allah (god) bless their soul rest in Peace! My condolences to the families and friends.
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I'm so sorry to hear about this horrible event. My heart goes out for those who affected from this.
According to news, 12 lucky passenger who booked the fight, didn't show up last minute. 3 passenger mis the plane because of traffic jam and 6 person cancel flight before 2 to 3 hour difference some personal resons and 1 airblue female crew member airhostes mis airbus because of sickness and 2 passenger cancel his flight before two days
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Most news indicated that Airblue outright owned the gonzo A-321 rather than leasing it from SAS.
hi saddle bronc pakistan private airline signed an agreement with airblue with airblue SAS THE PROCUREMENT OF 10 AIRCRAFT AT A COST OF AROUND $790 MILLION A STATEMENT FROM AIRBLUE SAID NEW FLEET WOULD INCLUDE EIGHT AIRBLUE A320-200S.
AIRBLUE CURRENTLY OPERATES THREE A320 AIRCRAFT AND IS THE FIRST OPERATOR OF THE AIRBUS A320 PLANES IN PAKISTAN AIRBLUE, WHICH STARTED OPERATION IN 2004 IS ONE OF THE THREE PRIVATE DOMESTIC CARRIERS ALONGSIDE STATE-RUN PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINE WHICH DOMINATES BOTH THE COUNTRY PASSENGER AND CARGO MARKET
THE SOURSES SAID THE AIRBLUE A320 AIRCRAFT WOULD BE USED ON DOMESTIC AND REGIONAL ROUTES WHILE NOW A330 ALSO USED FOR THE NEWELY ALLOCATED ROUTES TO BRITAIN
how long Admin. processing lasts?
in IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures
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hi it_1 iam not trying to scare any one iam always searching the reality my purpose to only tell the people face the reality because we cannot hide the reality and we cannot hide from the reality i always encourage people bestrong and face the reality i think can tell you the reality this is the most confidential reality and most of the people dont know about this us immigration reality you know scientist create a lot of technology and this technology use in the usa and every part of the us embassy and consulate in the world this technology name is voice matching and voice hacking technology this technology use at that time when when benifecery or alien give interview to the consular officer the us embassy and consulate record your interview voice and your recording voice immediately send to FBI and any type of investigation agency of the world who is working for usa goverment the FBI enter your voice data into computer device then this device match your voice for any kind of criminal minded of terrorist group or any kind of person who is danger for usa country this device is so accurate and reliable and when this device cannot match your voice to any person in their recording data base this computer device give answer denied denied which mean this device cannot match your voice to any person because FBI and investigation agency have a lot of phone call or mobile phone voice recording in their data base who is criminal minded and danger for THE USA country
and lets talk about hacking voice technology this voice technology use for hacking mobile phone call and land line phone or satlie phone if you talk on mobile phone or land line phone any part of the world this voice technology match your voice and hack your mobile phone or land line phone and then any person listening your voice or talkking in any part of the world and this technology use for immigration purpose and this technology secretly use in us immigration purpose