CanGal

If there is nothing 72 in the Koaran than where does the thought of 72 virgins come from???

I hear ya. I've contimplated it as well. My mom keeps telling me that it may be a good idea. My biggest fear is to be put on pills. I don't like the thought of that. I have good days and bad days. But same as the OP when i do have bad days they seem reaaaaal bad and like i'm about to fall apart. It's been really rough and when my hubby works alot on top of it he's not around alot so i'm very lonely.

Think you could maybe make one glass of wine out of those grapes?

Speaking of martyring....ok, so when muslim men die for Allah, they get 72 virgins right? So my question is - what do the women martyrs get? Can women be martyrs? Why would a woman want 72 virgin men? What a drag!

Hahahaha , sorry that kinda made me laugh when I read that. I heard that the arab language in the Quaran or Karan for the 72 virgins was translated wrong and what it really means is 72 WHITE GRAPES .... lol

I am just having one of those days. I'm tired. The laundry load keeps getting bigger so it seems like the house duties never end. My allergies have been driving me bonkers for the past two days. My singulair tablets for the allergies are not kicking in. Went to walmart and they were almost out of or didn't have anything on my grocery list that I needed. My husband left me really early to go to work. And I'm not looking forward to draggin my vaccume cleaner up stairs to vaccume.

We both want kids ... not yet though. We'd both like to finish school and we are both still young so we still have time but the issue has been talked about. We thinking bout just starting a plan by putting a little bit of money away every month so when we are ready at least we'd have some sort of cash waiting.

Welcome Welcome!! Glad to hear your trip was safe I hope that you like it here and that you and your daughter ajust well hehe ...

don't think that men like to have a 'problem' come at them out of the blue.

I think his use of the word 'permission' might have been a poor choice.

But I kinda believe that you are better off to ask a man when would be a good time to talk about something that's on your mind. If he says 'now' well then go for it. And if he says now isn't good because of XYZ, well then trust him that it really isn't a good time. If you don't have his full attention you will be wasting your breath anyway.

Thumbs up to this!

I apologize but this gets confusing!

If you want peace in Israel, it must come from the Lord. In order for the Lord to come there must be a false peace followed by the destruction of Israel. So, in order to support Israel to eventually have the Lord save it, you have to want Israel to be destroyed. That would actually be good news, because that would mean the Lord was coming back to save everything. On the other hand, it also means the end of the world.

I guess the important question is do you want the Lord to return? If you do, then you would want Israel to be destroyed and the end of days to come. If you don't then you are willing to put up with the violence and situation of today. That's an over simplification, but a logical consequence of this belief.

I guess you make sense. But I also believe that Israel will never be utterly destroyed but will come close to it if that makes sense. Do I want the Lord to come back, yes indeed and if I'm part of that generation that gets to witness that yay but if I'm not , I'm not. All I know is that I stand for Israel and their cause. I stand for the jewish people because those are God's chosen people. Like I said though i'm not an expert so I should probably stop now lol ....

QUOTE(CanGal @ Jul 21 2006, 03:59 PM)

Now this is just my belief, no one else has to agree. Israel and its people are God's Chosen people. Jerusalem is a Holy City. That land is their land and it has descended from David, Abraham, and Issac. Those people have a mandate to that land because the Bible says so. If we believe in God and we say we follow him we also need to stand for Israel. It clearly states i the Bible that anyone who apposes Israel is going to have to deal with God up front and personal at some time if they want to or not. That means individually and as nations.

so as an individual and as a nation, by backing up Israel we do have Gods approval in that sect.

That was interesting, thank you. I can respect what you wrote.

I still wonder about that though. How do you know that backing up Israel should not mean helping them resolve things peacefully. What if by encouraging or condoning the violence there that things actually get worse! Then, by your words you would actually be defying God, right? Because let's face it, you're not really supporting Israel, but the money supports their government. That government may not be doing it's best to serve the people and by supporting that you are supporting the destruction of Israel.

Just a counterpoint to your claim. No offense implied, rather another perspective.[/quote

Thank you for being respectful, And I do understand what your saying. I'm not an expert in all of this but all I know and believe is that Israel is one nation I have to back up. Do I like war and all of this stuff that going on , no not at all. But even the bible tells us all whats gonna happen to the state of Israel , past, present, and future and to tell you the truth , it's not pretty. Do I believe that one day their may be peace. Absolutely, when the Lord comes back. Will men try and bring peace. Yes, I dont' want to get too deep into it but I just believe that one day there will be a man who rises to power and who is gonna sign a 7 yr peace treaty with Israel, everyone is going to think it's great. I don't because I believe it's a lie. The bible states that will be a lie. This man is gonna hold great power but all I can do is stay true to God and what he tells me. When people think peace is finally here, it's really not gonna be peaceful at all, not until God comes back and reclaims his place in Jerusalem.

Wow, that really puts you in an awkward position because if you know the peace will be a lie and would bring about the destruction of the world, then you technically could never be in favor of peace in Israel (at the hands of man anyway). This is of course knowing that according to the Bible the peace is a lie. That's very interesting.

ooooh I am for peace in Israel. I just don't believe that Man is ever going to bring it no matter how much they try. There will never be actual peace in Israel until the Lord returns. That is all I was saying, now you don't have to believe that for yourself.

QUOTE(CanGal @ Jul 21 2006, 03:43 PM)

Now this is just my belief, no one else has to agree. Israel and its people are God's Chosen people. Jerusalem is a Holy City. That land is their land and it has descended from David, Abraham, and Issac. Those people have a mandate to that land because the Bible says so. If we believe in God and we say we follow him we also need to stand for Israel. It clearly states i the Bible that anyone who apposes Israel is going to have to deal with God up front and personal at some time if they want to or not. That means individually and as nations.

so as an individual and as a nation, by backing up Israel we do have Gods approval in that sect.

That was interesting, thank you. I can respect what you wrote.

I still wonder about that though. How do you know that backing up Israel should not mean helping them resolve things peacefully. What if by encouraging or condoning the violence there that things actually get worse! Then, by your words you would actually be defying God, right? Because let's face it, you're not really supporting Israel, but the money supports their government. That government may not be doing it's best to serve the people and by supporting that you are supporting the destruction of Israel.

Just a counterpoint to your claim. No offense implied, rather another perspective.[/quote

Thank you for being respectful, And I do understand what your saying. I'm not an expert in all of this but all I know and believe is that Israel is one nation I have to back up. Do I like war and all of this stuff that going on , no not at all. But even the bible tells us all whats gonna happen to the state of Israel , past, present, and future and to tell you the truth , it's not pretty. Do I believe that one day their may be peace. Absolutely, when the Lord comes back. Will men try and bring peace. Yes, I dont' want to get too deep into it but I just believe that one day there will be a man who rises to power and who is gonna sign a 7 yr peace treaty with Israel, everyone is going to think it's great. I don't because I believe it's a lie. The bible states that will be a lie. This man is gonna hold great power but all I can do is stay true to God and what he tells me. When people think peace is finally here, it's really not gonna be peaceful at all, not until God comes back and reclaims his place in Jerusalem.

whats everyone got against incanada?

Now this is just my belief, no one else has to agree. Israel and its people are God's Chosen people. Jerusalem is a Holy City. That land is their land and it has descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Those people have a mandate to that land because the Bible says so. If we believe in God and we say we follow him we also need to stand for Israel. It clearly states i the Bible that anyone who apposes Israel is going to have to deal with God up front and personal at some time if they want to or not. That means individually and as nations.

so as an individual and as a nation, by backing up Israel we do have Gods approval in that sect.

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QUOTE(Ric Flair @ Jul 21 2006, 12:07 PM)

Why does the U.S. give money to Israel? What benefit do we receive in return?

The benefit is the approval of God.

Amen to that!!!!

I don't understand how the comment would make us religioug extremists though. Everyone has to believe in something because if you don't then you'll fall for anything.

Not even sure what an "extremist" really is. Am I extremist for having 100% faith in my religion? Fine, then I'm an extremist and proud of it.

I think that believing in God at all qualifies us as extremists in the eyes of some here. But hey, I'm more worried about what God thinks than what they think

Exactly!!

QUOTE(Ric Flair @ Jul 21 2006, 12:07 PM)

Why does the U.S. give money to Israel? What benefit do we receive in return?

The benefit is the approval of God.

Amen to that!!!!

I don't understand how the comment would make us religioug extremists though. Everyone has to believe in something because if you don't then you'll fall for anything.

Awww i'm sorry you are in pain. I was actually scheduled to get mine taken out about a year ago and I never did because my fiance (hubby now) was scheduled to fly in the day after I was spose to get it done. I still haven't gotten it done. One day, One day.

I am so sorry for your loss.... Hang in there and try and stay strong. It's not easy to lose someone... we all here on VJ support you and if you ever need to talk you know where to find all of us! *hug*

CanGal

Thats so cool, what a surprise that will be for her I'm one of those peeps that never wins anything no matter what I put my name in for.

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QUOTE(mercuryroad @ Jul 19 2006, 04:02 PM)

Based on their recent activities I suppose invasion wouldn't be out of question.

I would say invasion would be out of the question. I don't think they have the means to do that. At least not like an air strike or anything like that. We would (and should) shoot their butts out of the sky or blow them out of the water (if coming by sea) if they try to step foot on land here.

It's not possible

I would say that in my opinion, all tactics all lead to the same road. They know themselves that their group is not large enough nor does it have enough power to kill all of the civilians in the West.

Instead, they attempt to get in good with governments that may be able to excercise more power and gain better weaponry. The ultimate goal would be to get nuclear weapons because that evens the playing field.

The other method this group will use will be to incite a nation into military action, thereby forcing their hand and drawing more countries into this conflict. The only way to "dethrone" the U.S. and Israel would be to remove them as a world power. Involving the U.S. in a large scale war would suck up our resources and resolve. Their hope would be to pull Russia, China and some other countries into the conflict. These countries however could stand the most to gain. If the rest of the world is busy destroying itself, they will be around for the rewards. WWII did wonders for the U.S. economy and really solidified us as a power in the international community. The same could be done for China.

Either way, the only way to get where they want to go is to remove the U.S. as the world's major superpower and I believe that is their ultimate goal.

We just need to invade and change regimes in Iran and Syria -- we already control every

other country in the Middle East (Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, etc - even Libya

is our "friend" now.)

If the kidnapped Israeli soldiers are taken across the border to Iran, Israel will most definitely

launch air strikes at that country.....clearly, Iran would retaliate which would give the US / EU

a perfect excuse to invade and take care of this sh!t once and for all.

That really will cause WW3....

Indeed Indeed

QUOTE(mercuryroad @ Jul 19 2006, 04:16 PM)

Instead, they attempt to get in good with governments that may be able to excercise more power and gain better weaponry. The ultimate goal would be to get nuclear weapons because that evens the playing field.

The other method this group will use will be to incite a nation into military action, thereby forcing their hand and drawing more countries into this conflict. The only way to "dethrone" the U.S. and Israel would be to remove them as a world power. Involving the U.S. in a large scale war would suck up our resources and resolve. Their hope would be to pull Russia, China and some other countries into the conflict. These countries however could stand the most to gain. If the rest of the world is busy destroying itself, they will be around for the rewards. WWII did wonders for the U.S. economy and really solidified us as a power in the international community. The same could be done for China.

Either way, the only way to get where they want to go is to remove the U.S. as the world's major superpower and I believe that is their ultimate goal.

And just how likely is this to happen? China and Russia joining them I mean? And can you provide links to actual proof? Thanks

I don't believe Merc is far off on that statement at all about China and Russia. I don't have links but I do have a book that explains it all. I don't want to get too into it because it is a religious book and well i'm religious and you all might not agree with my view point and I'm not asking you too. I'm just saying I have to agree with what I've been studying on all of this and what Merc is saying, it's not that far off. Thats just my oppinion

Either way, the only way to get where they want to go is to remove the U.S. as the world's major superpower and I believe that is their ultimate goal.

I too also believe that this is one of their main priorities or goals if you prefer that word.

Question: Is it not true as well that the word America to them just doesn't mean the united states but just the majority of north america in general? I just knew someone who used to teach in an American instituted school in Gaza and she had to come back and she said that American is pretty much "White Race" as in Canadian, Americans are all alike....accept that yes that the US is seen as the superpower of all of them, canadians included and if they can take them out then well we all know what goes from there ...

If this were all the case then things could get real ugly sooner than we may like them too ...

If you don't like the thread don't come in here and read it and then tell everyone they need to shush. Like someone said above, if you don't like the tv show change the channel.

That is great Stina, I am so happy for the both of you! God is full of many blessings is he not!? I hope that he is happy working in his new surroundings ...

Congrats, thats always exciting when you feel like your hard work is paying off!!