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On 8/1/2021 at 8:29 PM, LIBrty4all said:

Ok.  You keep believing whatever you want to. I never said it was an emergency recall.  That was you & your link.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html 

She is confusing emergency recall (which is the made up term her fact-checker "source" came up with and which in itself is a false claim) with emergency use authorization.

5 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Long COVID is a thing, it's happening to both adults and children, and they are discovering long-term serious health effects on the body. Brain scans showing irreversible damage, signs of early-onset ALS... the list goes on and on. We are going to end up with people suffering serious consequences in the future and additional burdens on the healthcare system. You do not even have to experience serious illness from COVID to end up with this damage.

There are safe and approved drugs that work very effectively fighting Covid19 especially during early onset.

12 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

It's not even only the principle. It's that there is zero data on that someone wearing a mask would actually protect someone else. I have read about 15 mask studies. None of them confirmed that absurd theory. But the health risk for folks like us (not being a surgeon with an explicit OSHA tested and approved mask handling protocol and controlled air conditioning) wearing a mask is well documented.

14 hours ago, laylalex said:

I want vaccine holdouts and refusers to change their minds. 

You WANT others to do as YOU wish. For a reason that you can neither explain nor cite any applicable scientific data for.
I am not sure where you are getting this perceived entitlement from but we are all individualistic human beings that have autonomy over our own bodies. We assess each our own risk/benefit ratio and make our own decisions.

Some of us read science and some don't. The ones who don't cannot explain why they claim certain things but they keep claiming them.

On 8/1/2021 at 11:08 AM, LIBrty4all said:

We have all been lied to on a massive scale.  Some are content for the misinformation to continue, so they can feel better inside.  Others want the truth to come out so we can make informed decisions.  Thank you for sharing what you have discovered.  Just understand it will NOT be received well here, because it doesn't fit the narrative of some.

Yes, for a reason that escapes my comprehension skills, it seems like it is only about the narrative, but not about science anymore.
Observing this happening on the entire planet right on front of my eyes... I do now much better grasp how the horrific things that happened 80+ years ago, could actually happen.
I am looking at living proof how easily people are able to be manipulated 😕

I think it was Mark Twain who said “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” 

On 8/1/2021 at 10:46 AM, LIBrty4all said:

The focus should be on doing everything to maximize one's likelihood of survival without potentially life-long ill effects.

I agree and would add that to work toward that goal the focus should be to believe nothing and start applying critical thinking skills and researching medical literature. Instead of blindly believing MSM, or alleged fact-checkers or even your physician, unless the physician has informed themselves which most have not. 

On 8/1/2021 at 7:28 AM, yuna628 said:

The body has the capability to recognize (if shown) that the spike protein itself does not belong there.

What do you mean by "if shown"?

Do you have a reference that it has been "shown"? I don't. There was certainly nothing in the trial protocols that evaluated anything like that to my knowledge but you might know better if you did read the trial protocols.

On 8/1/2021 at 7:28 AM, yuna628 said:

The point of the new vaccine is to give the body a very timely message from the Mission Impossible Team that they need to be wary and destroy the next spike protein they encounter instead of saying "YUMMY SUGAR",

That's a good point to have, but without doing the proper safety trials to rule out the known concerns the value of the point becomes moot. Plus, it is a given that there are unknown unknowns as with every experiment and despite that they claim that "the vaccine is safe".

When it's clear as a day that no one is actually able to know whether it is safe given the lack of data and lack of time. What it is, is unnecessary and risky.

On 8/1/2021 at 7:28 AM, yuna628 said:

and upon receipt of this message, it self destructs.

Where are you getting this from?

On 8/1/2021 at 7:28 AM, yuna628 said:

Like any vaccine, side effects are the result of your immune system ''getting to work''.

What about the side effect of death or heart inflammation? Do you seriously belief this is evidence that the immune system is "getting to work" to prepare the body to fight the Covid19 disease?

On 8/1/2021 at 7:28 AM, yuna628 said:

Depending on how you feel can range from just fine to pretty crappy. And in some rare cases the irritating effect can send the system to work a little too much.

And in some cases (=thousands!) it can lead to death.  And in some other cases (tens or even hundreds of thousands) it can lead to life long injuries with no possibility to even recoup the costs.
People are dying and suffering serious side effects ... pregnant women suffer miscarriages, THEY LOOSE THEIR UNBORN BABIES --- does this info get absorbed and... processed by the reader? 

All this is happening completely unnecessarily. 

If you think those shots are "safe" then how does the legal immunity make any sense?

And where is the data that confirms their safety? Do you have it?

On 8/1/2021 at 5:42 AM, Neonred said:

Looks to me like you are confusing pathogens and irritants.  Irritants are great at producing an inflammatory response, but they don't have to be pathogens.

In your last comment you implied that the spike protein is harmless, now you are calling it in irritant?

I think you are just a troll. Or you are not one but cannot support your own claim so you are trying to deflect and twist words.

Inflammation can of course be caused by pathogens. The literature I linked to in my comment literally called it a pathogen:

The issue remains: the shots are making your own body produce a pathogen - an irritant in your language - how is this not a concern by itself? Plus neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna trial provided any data on in which parts of the body those spike proteins would be created and when their creation actually stops. 

On 7/30/2021 at 5:53 AM, Neonred said:

There is so much wrong here and so much misinformation.

So...how come you still haven't identified all the "so much misinformation" I allegedly posted? 

2 hours ago, Neonred said:

Here is the first glaring error.  The mRNA of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines instructs cells to produce the spike protein which is NOT a pathogen. 

Can you share your source that confirms it is NOT a pathogen?

I read several studies that show the opposite. Here are a couple:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7547916/
(--> BBB stand s for blood brain barrier)
"SARS-CoV-2 spike protein triggers a pro-inflammatory response and upregulation of matrix metalloproteinases in human brain endothelial cells"
"SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces loss of the BBB integrity"
".. in regard to the brain endothelium, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induced destabilization of the BBB, promoted a pro-inflammatory status [...] the opening of the BBB, hints at the possible means in which the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen could also neuroinvade."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8091897/#R2
"SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2"

https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2020-N-1898-0246
This is one of the many warnings and concerns by the medical body about possible harm due to the risks of the damage that the spike protein causes:
"As important as it is to quickly arrest the spread of the virus by immunizing the population, it would be vastly worse if hundreds of millions of people were to suffer long-lasting or even permanent damage to their brain or heart microvasculature as a result of failing to appreciate in the short-term an unintended effect of full-length spike protein-based vaccines on these other organs."
I don't think he was paid any attention to, and I am not aware of any effort by the manufacturers to rule out these known risks. Just like they have ignored many other risks that they were warned about.
VAERS data shows an abnormal amount of myocarditis especially in male adolescents after receiving this injection with exactly what he warned about: permanent damage to their heart microvasculature since heart tissue does not regenerate.

As I wrote in my comment which you quoted, I can only speak to Pfizer and Moderna since I have not researched the other candidates that much.

Btw, you are using the terms "approved": none of these injections are approved. I have heard many sources claim that, even MSM and it is entirely false. No approval has been granted for any of them.

What else to you believe to be an error in my claims and why?

4 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Getting vaccinated (or not, for the time being), is one's personal choice.

Exactly. My opinion is it should always be one's personal choice and not just for the time being. And by law, it is one's personal choice. Much more legally protected even when it comes to unapproved vaccines/treatments like these ones.

4 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

The numbers have been obfuscated quite a bit, but are still worth looking at and understanding OUTSIDE of the fear-mongering brought about daily in the MSM.

Numbers are inaccurate, tests aren't even adequate, official opinions keep on flip-flopping and no scientific data is produced to back those up...I don't watch MSM as they are the uterus of misinformation.
I am all for rational debates based on hard data and scientific evidence. 

How else would science work?
You come up with a hypothesis and then you see if you can produce evidence to confirm whether its true or not.

In contrast a ton of false claims have been made here and essentially rendered themselves to be misinformation since none of them were supported by conclusive scientific data. 
 

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

COVID can be deadly, even to people my age and in good shape. I will not take that gamble.

According to the latest CDC data your chances of survival are 99.95% = IFR of 500 in 1,000,000. -> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html. 

Rendering it "gamble" of 0.05% lethal risk for people your age. That is if you avoid treating this disease early with approved, safe and effective drugs which would lower that 0.05% risk by another 85-90% resulting in a statistical risk for people your age of 0.005%-0.0075%. 

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

YES it is a vaccine, it took me literally 5 seconds to find that myth debunked

This will remain another unsupported claim unless you can share a credible source to back it up. And no, neither facebook fact checkers nor a news article is a credible source. You can review my provided sources in one my previous comments where I claimed that according to it's legal definition and description by the manufacturer plus by sec.gov it is not qualifying to be considered a "vaccine". Where is your proof that it is one?

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

I now regret even sharing my story because I had not realized that someone else might weaponize it as "proof" that the vaccines [...] are harmful.

Are you saying that your reaction is not qualifying as harm? Or that 435,077 AE's and 4,605 deaths are not something that equals harm? -> https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=2C21310CEFC5B9826FE407B07CE1

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

reached out to some of my friends and family asking them not to share my story because I can see what could be done with it the hands of someone who is not necessarily acting in good faith.

I find that your included accusation extremely dangerous and potentially very harmful.

I don't know what your definition of "good faith" is but mine includes to be honest and prevent harm to others.
Adverse events need to be reported and shared to avoid other people being injured. 
Was your injury even reported to VAERS? Did it register after it was reported, did anyone even check on this?
There are so many people all over the US and globally that have not only suffered severe adverse reactions after being injected but thousands have lost their lives! And these are only the reported numbers of a system that is estimated to register less than 1% of the AE's.

It could well be tens of not 100's of thousands of lives lost just in the US due to these untested injections. Not addressing this is absolutely horrifying. Children have lost their parents. Parents have lost their children. Couples have lost each other. So many have been left dealing with physical damages and following disabilities for the rest of their lives without someone actually wanting to hear this. 
Here is just one source out of many examples: https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/
Do you want to allege they are all lying? I don't think so. Do you want to allege that's all just a "coincidence"? I don't think so either. These are people just like you, but they weren't as lucky as you in their experience after injection. They were injured way more severe. They want to be heard but not many are listening.

And some are literally turning a blind eye to this which is just atrocious.

These people took this injection because they believed other's misinformation without actually researching. And because there are many like this, i.e. people who don't verify if something is factually accurate, many of those injuries will follow. Therefore it is irresponsible to say these injections are safe, especially when one cannot even produce any data to support this (false) claim. 
 

3 hours ago, laylalex said:

as someone who has lost people to COVID and seen others I care about suffer with the effects of long COVID

I do wonder if they have attempted early treatment with the safe and approved drugs that are available to treat this disease very effectively or were they told by their doctors to go home, and "isolate" and come back once they turned blue cannot breathe anymore.

12 hours ago, laylalex said:

I am safer and I am keeping my community safer by being vaccinated.

Why do you believe that to be true? Based on what?

You actually suffered a severe adverse reaction and you still believe you are "safer". 

The manufacturers even admit there is no data on transmission of the "virus" and you still believe you are keeping someone else "safe".

And you got no answer as to why you actually believe that.

I cannot wrap my head around this cognitive dissonance.

15 hours ago, laylalex said:

Ignored.

Ignored because you have no data to support your opinion?

This is what happens every single time when someone is asked for their reasoning to get this injection. They have no answer and run away.
They are not able to produce any rational argument.

Why are scientific debates avoided?
Based on which evidence and data do people choose to take it?
No one can answer that question apparently.

17 hours ago, Neonred said:

There is so much wrong here and so much misinformation.

I honestly would love to be wrong. I am constantly searching for the truth. I don't just blindly believe.
Which points do you consider "misinformation" in here and why?
Throwing out a claim without supporting it holds zero weight.

On 7/23/2021 at 5:44 PM, laylalex said:

Health update (COVID related): I have been unwell for three months. Not just eh, I feel subpar, but like in agony more days than not for the past three months. My joints were in so much pain there were times I seriously considered whether a dirt nap might be preferable to continuing to live. I had to go to urgent care, where I got a shot of liquid ibuprofen in my butt (not fun) which helped but I did not get better. Tests, tests, more tests, lots of problems getting blood out of me, bruised up arms from unsuccessful blood draws so I had to wear three-quarter length shirts because I looked like a sloppy IV drug user! Oh, and I fainted during one of the draws. So much fun.

 

First tests revealed I had a massive amount of inflammation, and had some markers for possible lupus or another autoimmune disease. Not allowed to take prednisone because I was due to get my second jab of Moderna. (I got it, and weirdly I felt better.) Next tests, slightly more sensitive, no lupus or autoimmune disease. Phew! Prednisone taken, I felt better for about 10 days then... agony again. Saw my GP, he referred me to a rheumatologist. An unbelievable amount of blood was taken out of me. I had x-rays done of my hands, wrists and knees. I was told NOT to look at my results until I saw the rheumo again in three weeks so I wouldn't freak myself out. I was being tested with highly sensitive tests for a whole range of autoimmune diseases and arthritis. Rheumo's opinion before the tests came in? He said he thought I probably had a freaky reaction to the first shot of Moderna. He said rest, ice, ibuprofen, and tylenol with codeine for the really bad moments. I steadily improved with time, though I have had some flare ups. The flare ups had me very worried.

 

Follow up appointment today. The good news is... I am healthy! I was so happy I cried. No lupus, no sarcoidosis, no Sjogren's syndrome, no scleroderma. No hypothyroidism, no hepatitis B or C, no TB, no arthritis of any type. I have antibodies for Hashimoto's disease, but the doctor said that was unsurprising given my family history, but I do NOT have anything wrong with my thyroid. Called my mom on my way to pick up Al (I left him at Barnes & Noble) and she cried too! The doctor applauded me for not looking at my results and giving them to my mom -- he said he bet the pressure was high. (It was.)

 

All that is wrong is I had a very, very bad reaction to the vaccine. That's it. When I told Alex that the doctor said there's nothing wrong with me, he put his hand to my forehead and said, "Do you want a second opinion?" I said, why, I have no reason to believe he's wrong. Al replied, "Sweetest, perhaps there's nothing wrong with you rheumatologically speaking, but there's definitely something wrong with you." 

 

Well, I went into this marriage knowing he's like this, so I guess it's my own fault.  I am so, so, so relieved. 

I am so sorry you had to go through this.

I wonder, what scientific data or any information for that matter, did make you decide to get these injections? 

I sincerely would appreciate if you like to share your reasoning behind this. 

10 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Btw, where is the science behind the new CDC recommendation?  

I would like to know that, too 🥴. My observation is that "the science" or absence thereof has been SOP. 

10 hours ago, beloved_dingo said:

One of my step-mom's friends passed away from COVID two weeks ago. She tested positive on July 7th and died on July 17th. Within 24 hours of testing positive, her oxygen level was below 70 and she was hospitalized. She was 64 and otherwise in good health, but she adamantly refused to get vaccinated. Now her husband, 3 kids, and multiple grandkids are reeling from the loss. Her husband was vaccinated and he had a very mild case of COVID while she was sick. Now he is practically begging people he knows to get vaccinated. This is in rural Alabama so the rate of vaccination there is very low. 

What was she treated with? What did they do in the hospital for her?

14 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Why should that matter?

It shouldn't. Logic doesn't matter anymore...

On 7/28/2021 at 8:14 AM, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

What are you trying to say, in laymen's terms, about these vaccines. Would you take them or not? 

I couldn't give you a purer "I will not" as an answer.

Given the data we have from the clinical trials plus additional studies, combining that with other facts like absence of liability, lack of necessity etc. there is literally zero benefit but huge amounts of risks. For anyone.

I have only researched Pfizer and Moderna so I can only speak about those. 

I want to stress that neither of those are actual "vaccines", which contain a weakened live or dead virus and prevent infection and transmission of a specific disease. That is not the case here. Here you get injected with instructions for your own body to create a pathogen hoping that your body then will answer with an immune response to the toxin it is creating. But none of the trials have data on immune response or prevention of infection or transmission. It was never evaluated.

Moderna themselves call this an "investigational mRNA medicine", which is exactly what it is. It is a genetic code in a lipid nanoparticle envelope inserted into your body, therefore rendering this a gene therapy and it is investigational = an experimental drug. -> https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development 

Even the SEC calls it gene therapy: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA." -> https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm

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Anyways, you asked me for laymen's terms, and I'm no doctor either lol

In one sentence I would answer: For a disease with an overall 99.74% survival rate, why would I choose to be injected with an experimental unapproved drug that gives me less of a theoretical benefit than my immune system can provide me, and where the confidence of its quality by its own manufacturer is so low that they won't even offer liability for it, AND where there are several other safe and approved drugs available to treat this disease with a very high effectiveness?

Where would be the rationale behind still choosing to get this injection? That's a serious question.

More detail on my reasoning:

The experimental injections...

1- do not prevent infection or transmission 

2- have a statistically insignificant efficacy of roughly 1% for preventing severity of symptoms

3- have never gone through proper safety trials as required for all other vaccines, animal studies were completely skipped

4- protocol of the clinical phase III trials show several data gaps

5- we have over 425,950 adverse events and 4,500 deaths now reported in association with these shots (in comparison the swine flu vaccine was pulled after 53 associated deaths!) -> https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=F0B56B446EE5F8311B8C209C4EEC, and these are numbers in a system that catches less than 1% of adverse events, -> https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf

6- manufacturers have ZERO liability, all the while Pfizer has a very long rap sheet (criminal history) and Moderna has never produced an approved drug at all

7- if you are injured you have extremely limited avenues, you only have 1 year, and you can only recoup medical expenses, nothing more. Not even legal expenses. The manufacturers are completely immune and tax dollars are paying for every cent paid to injured individuals.

8- the inventor of mRNA technology Robert Malone has warned about many unevaluated risks as have hundreds of other doctors, many petitions and suits were filed. I can link to several if you wish. All these risks have not been investigated. Maybe that is why we now have more deaths associated with "vaccines" than we had in the last 30 years combined? -> https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-wodarg-dr-yeadon-request-stop-all-corona-vaccination-studies-call-co-signing-petition/5731458

9- there is no data on when your body will actually stop creating the pathogen (the spike protein) - what could possibly go wrong...

10- there is no data on long term safety because there logically cannot be any data given the limited time passed

11- the manufacturers first said the created toxic spike proteins will stay in the injections site but it turned out otherwise, they travel all over the body and into the blood (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075) which may lead to all the blood clotting events

12- it is a given there will be many other discovered unknown unknowns given the process and more than short time frame to create these injections

-Anyone who claims these injections are "safe" is not telling the truth. I would love to see data that confirms that they are indeed "safe".

They are clearly not safe at all and there is a plethora of data for that. No one can even say they are safe given the fact that not enough time has passed to evaluate the long term safety.

-Anyone who claims they are effective and insinuates a high efficacy is also not telling the truth. We have an estimated 1% efficacy according to the trial data.

We have no data on effectiveness (there is a difference between efficacy and effectiveness).

Interestingly in the Pfizer study there were 3,410 participants that were excluded from the efficacy calculation (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download#page=42). The reason for the exclusion was NOT revealed. Had they been included even the RRR would have been between 19 and 29% instead of the RRR of 95% (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/). Likewise the ARR/actual real efficacy would then be about 0%.

I think this is what is actually happening. Because of the lack of preventing the infection or illness if you do get this shot that's why new "cases" are from both injected and uninjected.

In addition, now we have even Rochelle Walensky herself admitting being fully "vaccinated" is not working and the "vaccinated can still spread the "virus".

In contrast, and another argument for not getting this shot, is that our own natural immune system is way more sophisticated than anything the injection can do. Our natural immune system will give a much more robust immunity and for decades. Even for variants of a virus.

I would rather get infected and have my immune system take care of it than exposing my body to a medical unnecessary experiment.

And again, for the vulnerable there are at least 2 other drugs that work well and that are actually safe (have been for decades) and approved. I can share the studies if you wish.

In summary: we have a potential lethal threat of 0.26%. And we have studies of drugs that work to overcome this.

We do not have studies of injections that work.

But we have tons of data on injuries that happen after people are injected.

The decision is quite easy for me  

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

If you get a straight answer to a direct question you will be the most successful person in CEHST in over two years.

What is CEHST?

I don't know why many folks avoid straight answers. It's dysfunctional to any conversation.

4 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

I doubt you or anyone on this thread have the academic or medical research background to determine efficacy, but go ahead with your theories.

Efficacy is determined mathematically/statistically using the data that the medical research folks have provided. You don't need an academic or medical research background to do that. What you need is some basic mathematical knowledge, a calculator and rational thinking skills. To back up my approach and calculations I had also linked to respective medical literature. If you disagree with my approach you are welcome to explain yours and your reasoning for it. E.g. why would you possibly NOT include ALL participants of the trial in the final evaluation of efficacy/AAR? What are the points you disagree on and why?

4 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Can you explain why these states have case rates far above the median for the US while having below average ( with the exception of Florida) final vaccination rates?  

 

Given the lack of data you have provided there is no way to explain anything. Speculatively, IF your claim was actually factual you could ponder this:

Other countries are reporting up to 60% of the cases occurring in "vaccinated" people. So maybe those countries have not stopped monitoring vaccine breakthrough cases.

I don't consider news articles as qualifying credible evidence for anything since investigational journalism is scarce. If you wish to engage in an intelligent and scientific debate then provide adequate sources and be ready to back up any claim you make or retract it if you can't. 

The ultimate issue with the case numbers remains as tests are being used that are inadequate for the purpose, are unapproved and the CDC has already distanced itself from the PCR test but it is still being used for "case count".

Also what is the protocol for the testing? What counts as a case under which circumstances and how often are they reported as a new case? Do you know all these parameters? I don't.

Here is another source that weakens your claim: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-case-rate, expand the Data Table for Vaccinations by Case Rate and look at the numbers. I cannot see correlation of numbers of cases with percentage of vaccinations. They are all over the place.

Or look at this map:

Just now, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

My use of the term is about as relevant as your use in analysis of Pfizer /Moderna data. 

The ARR is relevant because it indicates the actual efficacy of the investigational injections, which I would say, currently satisfies the definition of "relevant".

Your link doesn't show any data to back up your claim of "why the states with the lowest vaccine rates are seeing the largest spike in cases".

Do you have data to back it up or not?

1 hour ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

its based on ARR not RRR, very fancy math. Try the CDC.

I don't understand your reply in this context as ARR/RRR has nothing to do with what I asked. Where is your data to support your claim?

26 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

why the states with the lowest vaccine rates are seeing the largest spike in cases?

Can you cite applicable data that confirms this?

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Wasn't someone here recently talking about how falsely inflated covid case counts were, and how the PCR tests themselves are highly inaccurate?  

Here is an evaluation of August 2020:

https://medicine.yale.edu/labmed/sections/virology/COVID-19 Ct values_YNHH Aug. 2020 _395430_36854_v1.pdf

Another study:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346483715_External_peer_review_of_the_RTPCR_test_to_detect_SARS-CoV-2_reveals_10_major_scientific_flaws_at_the_molecular_and_methodological_level_consequences_for_false_positive_results

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

And now it seems that the inserts that come with the tests say NOT to use them for covid testing.  

Yes, it is right in the inserts, e.g. https://www.fda.gov/media/136314/download

Pg 3: "Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease".

Pg 6: "This product has not been FDA cleared or approved"