Beauty for Ashes

And please forgive me if my answer is harsh but I have seen what happens to these kids post marriage. One had 2 teenage girls and one of the Moroccans guys brothers molested both of them in their teens.. You have to be a mother first and realise every single day, class, homework assignment, field trip matters. If you dont have kids or they are grown then who care but these little ones need men that are not children and you have kid to raise, you dont need an adult child
And secondly, you have to think long term..whats going to happen to him if you neglect him to chase this man around....You need to put your son FIRST at all times.. an arab woman does thats for damn sure...

I want to tell you something that may upset you, but you are going to have to choose your son. When my husband arrived her 4 years ago, my son was 11. He was a good boy. After several years of the experience of living with someone who didnt want to be a parent, my son began to rebel and its taken more than one year offsolid counseling and intensive intervention to keep him out of the peer group he fell into 3 years later. While you chase your immature jerk off of a husband around , you could lose your child. Stop everything you are doing and parent. The moroccan guy may not even be around in 3 or 4 years and part of marrying a girl with a kid.. yes jerk off, is to accept and help co parent... Not milk the american woman dry, cause her to neglect that one precious thing she has, her kid and then take off with what they wanted. If he doesnt act nice to your son, you need to leave the husband and stick with your kid.
Harsh? Yes. Honest. Yes. You wouldnt accept being with an American who didnt warm up to your child. Why would you accept it from some schmuck from overseas
And no there are no excuses. You are a mom first and the Moroccan guy needs to have a come to jesus talk with someone about the importance of parenting and taking you as a package. Why did you marry someone to begin with that wasnt interesting in parenting? Didnt you discuss this with him ahead of time? Your son needs you for gods sakes. 11 years old is pre teen and very critical . You are laying the ground for his development as a man
GOD I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THESE KIDS INCLUDING MY OWN WHILE WE CHASE OR CHASED WHAT WE WANTED>>>>SOMEHOW THEY GET LEFT IN THE WAYSIDE
Most of the saddest stories revolve around what happens to these american kids both during and after their moms chasing love overseas
I know one girl whos 15 year old son killed himself at the demise of his moms marriage with a tunisian after the tunisian blamed the breakup of the marriage on her teen.. He quickly married a stripped shortly after his divorce and do you think he gave 2 shits about the American woman and her kids life he destroyed?
Be careful girl and much more of this you are going to have to choose. These kids dont deserve shitty parenting and you wouldnt choose an American who acted like this so why put up with it from this guy?

And please forgive me if my answer is harsh but I have seen what happens to these kids post marriage. One had 2 teenage girls and one of the Moroccans guys brothers molested both of them in their teens.. You have to be a mother first and realise every single day, class, homework assignment, field trip matters. If you dont have kids or they are grown then who care but these little ones need men that are not children and you have kid to raise, you dont need an adult child
And secondly, you have to think long term..whats going to happen to him if you neglect him to chase this man around....You need to put your son FIRST at all times.. an arab woman does thats for damn sure...

I want to tell you something that may upset you, but you are going to have to choose your son. When my husband arrived her 4 years ago, my son was 11. He was a good boy. After several years of the experience of living with someone who didnt want to be a parent, my son began to rebel and its taken more than one year offsolid counseling and intensive intervention to keep him out of the peer group he fell into 3 years later. While you chase your immature jerk off of a husband around , you could lose your child. Stop everything you are doing and parent. The moroccan guy may not even be around in 3 or 4 years and part of marrying a girl with a kid.. yes jerk off, is to accept and help co parent... Not milk the american woman dry, cause her to neglect that one precious thing she has, her kid and then take off with what they wanted. If he doesnt act nice to your son, you need to leave the husband and stick with your kid.
Harsh? Yes. Honest. Yes. You wouldnt accept being with an American who didnt warm up to your child. Why would you accept it from some schmuck from overseas
And no there are no excuses. You are a mom first and the Moroccan guy needs to have a come to jesus talk with someone about the importance of parenting and taking you as a package. Why did you marry someone to begin with that wasnt interesting in parenting? Didnt you discuss this with him ahead of time? Your son needs you for gods sakes. 11 years old is pre teen and very critical . You are laying the ground for his development as a man
GOD I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THESE KIDS INCLUDING MY OWN WHILE WE CHASE OR CHASED WHAT WE WANTED>>>>SOMEHOW THEY GET LEFT IN THE WAYSIDE
Most of the saddest stories revolve around what happens to these american kids both during and after their moms chasing love overseas
I know one girl whos 15 year old son killed himself at the demise of his moms marriage with a tunisian after the tunisian blamed the breakup of the marriage on her teen.. He quickly married a stripped shortly after his divorce and do you think he gave 2 shits about the American woman and her kids life he destroyed?
Be careful girl and much more of this you are going to have to choose. These kids dont deserve shitty parenting and you wouldnt choose an American who acted like this so why put up with it from this guy?

The success in your marriage is that you are commited. You are commited to the marriage and you are a muslim and you are a commited muslim so when he married you, if I am to understand correctly, he knew exactly what he was getting, a commited muslim who would fit into his world, who would understand one of the biggest parts of his culture and society, Islam.
There are women on here who are commited to their marriages, making them work and to a religion that they converted and reverted to. They chose Islam because of something inside, not the attractiveness of attracting someone to marry them nor complete the process of getting married. Islam was something they were longing for. Its the cupid conversions that I am talking about. Conversions or reversions not out of a commited understanding of what Islam is going to require because there are things you should do as a muslim and its that whole hearted commitment to Islam that makes it alot easier on the mena person they are marrying.
Not everything is black and white and on the flip side, there are women that reverted in good faith, keep a muslim home that still are not successful in their marriage and nothing is all that black and white on the American side either. Some muslims get more commited to Islam when they get here and when they were in their own country did not go that often to the mosque and listened to music etc and when the mena people get here, out of fear of the unknown or wanting community, become very religious, maybe even more so than the family or background they grew up in. I dont know many of these women although I know they exist, that continue in Islam long after the marriages end to the man they met and brought over here or married while here. Its not easy to get remarried after this event, mostly because they might be older and culturally ,many men are seeking to marry someone from back home , younger and have kids. Their future life may be a vibrant life inside the community but it may not include marriage to someone in the community. That is also a reality to women reverting because they need to be prepared for a different society and understanding of the role of women. A 70 year old in American society may be on a bus trip to Branson and playing bridge and doing things with the red hat women. I dont know if womens groups for aging women exist inside the muslim community but in the years I have been around, I have seen little beyond religious classes and maybe some family events. If a woman is entering this community from the outside and ends up without the spouse she started with, it can be very lonely for her. This is why I was talking about reversion and the social aspects of it. Its not to be offensive..
I don't think there is anything wrong with the discussion we are having. Its talking about motivation behind reverting or converting and I just personally believe ( it doesnt mean everyone does) that there are women who revert because there is another motivation than just religion. For some, its the muslim community whether it be their perception right or wrong thats interesting for them. Its the chance to get married or perhaps meeting a muslim man who made them realise that maybe reversion is a way to get married or live a less lonely life. Is this wrong? I dont necessarily think so but I think not only should women think carefully about embracing another religion but also carefully think about what that change will do to their children and to perhaps talk to her whole family about it. If she still wants to do it, she needs to understand the impact on her kids and her parents and I think this is especially important if her family is religious. If her true goal is to be muslim, then at least she has carefully entered it and studied it as well as talked to family members. The family will have to accept her choice but at least she treated it like a major life change and not some kind of whim
There is nothing more tragic than dragging kids into something entered on a whim, whether it be a marriage or religious change and then not even staying in the relationship that brought about these changes. How confusing for the family?
The consulates look at all these factors and they look at the whole picture . I think the embassies want the best for their citizens and I dont think a reversion helps make the case stronger. I think a reversion before the marriage or meeting them would at least show a compatibility in lifestyles but I dont think it affects the CO s decision. I think they rely much more on online research about the mena person as well as interviews in the neighborhood as well as local government back ground checks and proof of relationship. If someone had not reverted and was thinking about reverting just to help a spouse pass muster, I would tell them its not going to help much.

I completely agree. I think they found something from somewhere because they definitely do do that.They are able to pull every account and email based social accounts, chat accounts, prior dating accounts... you name it
Because they dont care about paper proof. They want proof you chat every day and talk every day. Chat logs are essential and they want to see them as well as phone bills..
I still think there is something else going on that they found.. and it might even be something he never deleted or something really innocent.
I personally think they decide what they want to do before you ever hit the door

My daughter is Moroccan but I doubt she could ever get papers because he is still legally married to the Puerto Rican who direct consulate filed for him in the late 90s. She flew over there after meeting him on yahoo and married him in Morocco so as far as they are concerned, shes his wife even though he hasnt seen her since he dumped her right after he got his 10 year card. She never bothered to divorce him so wallah.. they have a 13 year marriage that he never bothered to end. I doubt I will ever able to get anything for my daughter and ironically if he dies , she is entitled to his money there and here. I doubt my princess will ever get a thing from Morocco as far as papers. I dont think he will ever get US citizenship.. nice time explaining what he did with his wife

I have found that the longer most mena are in the usa, the more they respect American traditions. Its helps if they are with an American who respects the country, its freedom, appreciates the sacrifices of its soldiers, its constitution and is proud of their parents, grandparents and the sacrifices their forefathers made to build this country. The best example we can give to a new immigrant is to share what we really love about America. If we look down at a our culture as Americans and criticise it ourselves instead of looking for its merits, then people arriving here will think less of it.
I served my country in 2 different military services, am the child of a Normandy veteran and frankly we owe a tremendous credit to the soldiers of Morocco and Algeria and Tunisia because they helped the allies win WW2. We should focus on our similarities.
I grew up with well educated parents and travelled overseas and frankly from my experience, many of the newly arrived mena that I have met have been alot more focused on money and what they could take from America not offer America. This is a big change from 15 years ago when it was terrible hardship that many arrived. I think the most successful immigrants are looking for a way to give back to this country, not condemn and criticise it.
I think a self hating American will impose alot of her views on an immigrant. I think someone that loves this country will consistantly point out its benefits. If we look for ways to love where we are from, we will impart that on people who just arrive here. Too many marry from overseas and for some reason, throw away all thats good to please someone who should love who they were to begin with, not require that they be a cheaper, lesser version of themselves,self loathing and turning their backs on their own culture to morph into someone that is completely not authentic...
For example, at this moment their are riots across North Africa over food and rising prices. You do not see that in the USA even though many are homeless, lost their houses, their jobs. They pull together and make do. Thats the American spirit. I have heard many Algerians and Tunisians lately say how blessed they feel to be in a country that faces adversity with civility. We are civil and some MENA really embrace and see that

You are way too old for him. You can paint it anyway you want but you are far too old for him and it will lead to disaster later on. He hasnt lived enough and I am sure it will be fun for a while but it will end up in tragedy later as you age and edge into your 40s. He is far too young for you. If you dont mind just giving him his papers and helping him fine, but no good can come of this later on. It will end up horribly for you. I am sorry. I would never wish your situation on anyone because I am sure you love him. But how could you really be in love with someone who could be your childs age.I had a daughter at 19.2 more years and you could have given birth to this guy. YUCK

I did. I speak internet Moroccan. It is some kind of poem or train of thought.. kind of in the line of some arabic love song where the girl is holding the picture of a former boyfriend and crying . He is just trying to relate in very poor english to break through whatever resistance she has in either corresponding with him or getting more involved with him.

I speak internet Moroccan and I don't think this is a letter. I think its some kind of chain of thought or prose to his internet love and he is saying I am trying to move closer to her but her heart is so broken and she is holding his picture
And the end says to be continued.
The man who made her cry like this is probably Moroccan too and next time I suggest you do not use reverso to write a letter.
PS.. this kind of stuff works with Americans so lay it on thicker honey... She will definitely go for it

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I could absolutely tell you lots of stories of amazing relationships that I have had with mena people, both from Morocco and other countries like Algeria and the mid east. Some even spanning 10 years. None of them were marriages. They were friendships based on commonalities and they always included honesty. Several were men and they were all true to themselves and married women from their own country. I have however known several Moroccan women who have married American men and are incredibly happy. One was a Moroccan girl who had been very mistreated by men from her own country. She had come to the US with epcot and had married an American and after she got divorced , she wanted to get married and have kids with a Moroccan and man after man abused her and used her. She finally met a guy who was very prominent, not a millionaire but pretty close and he was about 20 years older. He married her and gave her long dreamed of baby and she is actually beaming with her little son and has a nice time going to places with him and his family, even putting up a Moroccan christmas tree and having cous cous at thanksgiving. I knew her first in 2002 and watched her run through a string of Moroccan guys who used her so badly then talked about her. I have her on my facebook now and its so nice to see her happy.
I have know Moroccan US citizens who honestly have sought out relationships with Americans after using the first,then a horrible relationship with a Moroccan they either married her or brought from there and then they just feel a little lost and sometimes end up with Americans.
Honestly after reading all of this and after the 10 plus years I have been around Moroccans from overseas and here in the US, I love them as friends, I absolutely adore North Africans , even when they are little crapheads but I never ever ever could recommend anyone I knew sponsoring one and giving them papers or bringing them here unless they had an age appropriate and time tested relationship. If you meet a Moroccan here in the US and hes got his papers straightened out and he wants to marry you, then you know the playing field is level. For an older woman trying to throw pennies into the fountain of youth by hooking up with a guy who is alot younger than you, I can only say you absolutely have to plan for the end and try to make it as painfree as possible. Statistically , I have never ever seen one work over a 10 year period. Not one. I have seen some people marry simiilar in age and have kids and struggle along and hang in there but not older younger. We dont want to hear it because somehow it makes us feel like we are less than and in the US, older women have lives, they have boyfriends, they go on after divorce. The shelf life in Morocco is alot shorter and a woman there has to make her marriage count and work because after she has kids and loses her virginity, game over for the most part unless they are upper middle class.
We cannot place our values on another culture.
I personally even with as badly as I got screwed mentally, emotionally and financially will not stop being friends with North Africans and MENA but I would slap the living ####### out of anyone I knew who wanted to mess up their life like I did. It rarely works and perhaps if you arent doing anything better with the next 4 years of your life and dont mind getting used and then walked away from with a thank you if they are nice, then go for it.
What killed me is I heard another Moroccan tell another one, oh dont worry, we never forget people who helped us? What is that supposed to mean? Do I get a gift certificate or a hallmark on the anniversary of the day you got your papers? I think in some misguided way , they have to minimise the impact that this deception has on our lives.
I wish some women who have been hurt would talk about it instead of running away. I think you cant avoid the using, you can only try to survive the aftermath. My whole family had to become involved to help me through this awful situation. I was blackmailed with financial situations and threatened with attempts to take my money and my family's money. My feels run from terror to hate to sadness to hate. I forgive him almost every day but its hard.

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That is exactly true. And not every marriage ends badly.
Percentagewise though,most turn out poorly for the American. I am so glad you were one of the success stories. Kudos to you.
Its hard when you fully financially support someone, pay all their bills , pay their immigration, they abuse you and hurt you..
You are lucky that didnt happen to you. I am 30000 in debt.

I think marriage fraud against Americans is like a huge elephant in the room. When I was single and knew Moroccans because my daughter is a Moroccan and I talked about marrying an Algerian, every single Moroccan friend male and female warned me against it. They said he will use you and throw you. He wont stick with you, etc etc. And me.. Oh he is different. I have met his family, they were so warm to me etc etc. The biggest forewarners against marriage with someone from MENA have been people from MENA themselves. My American family actually gave him the benefit of the doubt. Looking back, I could have done so many things to avoid the mess I ended up in. I can honestly say that he not only ruined my life, he ruined my mothers life, her health and my kids life as well. I could cry you a river of all the things that happened to me. All I can tell you is once he got what he wanted he talked about how I was not what he ever wanted, my divorces, how he couldnt wait to get a halal wife, etc etc, how his mother told him , dont worry you will be done with her soon, etc etc
The only revenge I ever manage to get, and yes I sometimes like to extract it, is when I take my Moroccan daughter out with me. I often meet Moroccans around town and they comment on her name when I call her by her name. They say IS HER DAD MOROCCAN? I say yes, he used an American in New York for a greencard and abandoned her and she and I are friends and then he abandoned his daughter but now is being forced by the court to pay child support. They usually just look down or say they are sorry. To be honest with you, most American women I know around here used for papers wont tell anyone. Its too embarassing. Honestly also, most Moroccans or Arabs around town wont admit to Americans that they are even arab to begin with because of the awful reputation the guys have of using women for papers etc. We have a mess around here because of Disney's Epcot and Moroccans have been coming here 2 times a year since 1982 and marrying the first disney employee, old woman or college student they can con to fix their papers.
I honestly do not know a single Morocan in Orlando still married to the woman that gave him papers. I have met hundreds. I do know some US citizen moroccans who married Americans after the fact so maybe they like Americans but the odds look pretty crappy honestly. It doesnt mean the marriages they make with Moroccans wil work out but alot of Morocans feel that they have not completed their deen until they get a bent bledi and find their kids with her.
I am the mother of a Moroccan and there are really not statistically alot of American women with Moroccan children anyway. Most of the guys that I knew did everything they could to NOT have kids with Americans including one guy who forced his American wife to abort. You dont want anything hanging around when you are done with someone.
My daughters existance in itself is embarrasing to alot of the guys I meet. They feel sad about it but I told them honestly, I am not shocked. I guess we are good enough for papers and money but not good enough to breed with or stay with.

Hey Jenn
I was thinking about things reading these posts and I wanted to point something out. Even in the height of getting used for a greencard, there are sunny days. The whole process is heart wrenching because in the middle of manipulating and hurting you, there are moments of light.. moments of bonding. I can honestly say that I would absolutley not have married him if I would have known one tenth of what I know now, not just about him, but about myself and why I was with him to begin with. It was my fault for marrying someone younger, less educated and not knowing enough about his family and how treacherous everyone around him was. Looking back, I think they pushed him into doing this and I do think there were moments when he actually did not feel good about what he was doing to me and those were the times I saw some light in his face
I think getting used for a greencard is soul murder and I do my best to explain to the moroccans and other mena people I meet just how horribly it hurts the Americans
Another thing that drives me crazy is the way that some of the Moroccans I know tell everyone their American ex was an alcholic or some other crazy off the chain thing when most of the women were just older, dumber and naive and terribly in love with these dark dashing con men and their lives shattered when they left them.. Its very dehumanizing to hear some of the bs excuses the guys have for leaving

I am happy she is tough and frankly the pain the women get after they are abused for papers is intense and horrific. She is looking out for the US Citizens best interest and one thing to remember is that she sees men going back AFTER they have married Americans for papers every single day. It has to absolutely enrage some of these officers to see man after man entering the consulate after being married to an American and sponsoring women from back home. You have to look at it from the back side too. There is more to this than your petition as a wife. You have to look at the back story of what these women see each day.
She is a tough cookie and very very smart. I wish they were like this at every consulate. She has probably saved alot of women crushing heartache.
They see the results of greencard fraud 3 5 7 years later. They see the men after they are done with women over here and go back to marry the women that they wanted to marry to begin with.
I personally am happy she is tough, smart and isnt being snowed. Be prepared and have your papers tight with lots of documents

I think marriage fraud against Americans is like a huge elephant in the room. When I was single and knew Moroccans because my daughter is a Moroccan and I talked about marrying an Algerian, every single Moroccan friend male and female warned me against it. They said he will use you and throw you. He wont stick with you, etc etc. And me.. Oh he is different. I have met his family, they were so warm to me etc etc. The biggest forewarners against marriage with someone from MENA have been people from MENA themselves. My American family actually gave him the benefit of the doubt. Looking back, I could have done so many things to avoid the mess I ended up in. I can honestly say that he not only ruined my life, he ruined my mothers life, her health and my kids life as well. I could cry you a river of all the things that happened to me. All I can tell you is once he got what he wanted he talked about how I was not what he ever wanted, my divorces, how he couldnt wait to get a halal wife, etc etc, how his mother told him , dont worry you will be done with her soon, etc etc
The only revenge I ever manage to get, and yes I sometimes like to extract it, is when I take my Moroccan daughter out with me. I often meet Moroccans around town and they comment on her name when I call her by her name. They say IS HER DAD MOROCCAN? I say yes, he used an American in New York for a greencard and abandoned her and she and I are friends and then he abandoned his daughter but now is being forced by the court to pay child support. They usually just look down or say they are sorry. To be honest with you, most American women I know around here used for papers wont tell anyone. Its too embarassing. Honestly also, most Moroccans or Arabs around town wont admit to Americans that they are even arab to begin with because of the awful reputation the guys have of using women for papers etc. We have a mess around here because of Disney's Epcot and Moroccans have been coming here 2 times a year since 1982 and marrying the first disney employee, old woman or college student they can con to fix their papers.
I honestly do not know a single Morocan in Orlando still married to the woman that gave him papers. I have met hundreds. I do know some US citizen moroccans who married Americans after the fact so maybe they like Americans but the odds look pretty crappy honestly. It doesnt mean the marriages they make with Moroccans wil work out but alot of Morocans feel that they have not completed their deen until they get a bent bledi and find their kids with her.
I am the mother of a Moroccan and there are really not statistically alot of American women with Moroccan children anyway. Most of the guys that I knew did everything they could to NOT have kids with Americans including one guy who forced his American wife to abort. You dont want anything hanging around when you are done with someone.
My daughters existance in itself is embarrasing to alot of the guys I meet. They feel sad about it but I told them honestly, I am not shocked. I guess we are good enough for papers and money but not good enough to breed with or stay with.

I am happy she is tough and frankly the pain the women get after they are abused for papers is intense and horrific. She is looking out for the US Citizens best interest and one thing to remember is that she sees men going back AFTER they have married Americans for papers every single day. It has to absolutely enrage some of these officers to see man after man entering the consulate after being married to an American and sponsoring women from back home. You have to look at it from the back side too. There is more to this than your petition as a wife. You have to look at the back story of what these women see each day.
She is a tough cookie and very very smart. I wish they were like this at every consulate. She has probably saved alot of women crushing heartache.
They see the results of greencard fraud 3 5 7 years later. They see the men after they are done with women over here and go back to marry the women that they wanted to marry to begin with.
I personally am happy she is tough, smart and isnt being snowed. Be prepared and have your papers tight with lots of documents

I experienced being held hostage with financial threats and before the ROC took place,mine told me I was lucky he didnt file an abuse claim.
I filed against my will and prayed every day it would be approved so I would be free from his threats, his family and the abuse they all dished out on me. It was fraud on a family level and even when I was in the hospital, it was like they were praying I would die so they could get money from my estate. It wasnt until they all figured out my family wasnt going to take it lying down that they stopped. My mother and my aunt told them all if anything happens to me, they would prosecute for my death ( I developed an auto immune disease that EVERYONE thinks was brought on by 24 hour emotional abuse from him and his extended family) Whenever things would calm down, his mother would ramp things up, then it would be some dip ###### friend telling him to hurt me more etc>)

I absolutely believe you and I am sure if he was calm and not beating the snot out of you, you may have even helped him
The fake scratches and false vawa should send out a warning siren to women marrying men from overseas. It doesnt mean its going to happen but its an example of what CAN happen when you take the papers away from someone who married you for them. Its terrifying for the American, absolutely terrifying. I think if he would have been calm , I think you would have helped him anyway but when someone is hitting you, then screaming and then people from their culture are telling you to put up with the ####### like they always do, its infurtiating. Whats worse is when AMERICAN women dont stand up for an american petitioning who is being abused by lets say someone from the country your husband is from, and then blame you , it makes you insane

How old are your kids? If you started at lets say, 18, You have a 16 to 20 year old right now. And you want to marry a 22 year old? Are you not seeing this clearly? You have 3 kids and you want to bring a 22 year old here to parent them. Are any of them girls? Someone for the love of god needs to talk to you or you need to see a therapist to figure out why you think you have anything in common as an adult female with a teenager. Hes a child. You are almost 40. Its weird. I am sorry.
All I can say is that as the mother of an almost 16 year old, it makes me want to have him go to college here in town in case some graduate student from god knows where wants to fix her papers.
I am sorry. I know sometimes my crayon box is missing a couple of colors but I am a mom and this whole thread makes my stomach hurt

How old are your kids? If you started at lets say, 18, You have a 16 to 20 year old right now. And you want to marry a 22 year old? Are you not seeing this clearly? You have 3 kids and you want to bring a 22 year old here to parent them. Are any of them girls? Someone for the love of god needs to talk to you or you need to see a therapist to figure out why you think you have anything in common as an adult female with a teenager. Hes a child. You are almost 40. Its weird. I am sorry.
All I can say is that as the mother of an almost 16 year old, it makes me want to have him go to college here in town in case some graduate student from god knows where wants to fix her papers.
I am sorry. I know sometimes my crayon box is missing a couple of colors but I am a mom and this whole thread makes my stomach hurt